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    Post by Notxor Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:23 pm

    A lepo su mogli da se ogreju na lomači, ali izgleda da je i kod njih topla zima, a nije ni ekološki tako da:
    jedno pozitivno brojanje za Borderlands zbog recikliranja.


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    Post by Del Cap Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:00 pm

    Despite repeated, public calls from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President Joe Biden has ruled out "for now" sending advanced American fighter jets to help defend against an expected Russian spring offensive, he told ABC News anchor David Muir on the one-year anniversary of Russia's invasion.

    "You don't think he needs F-16s now?" Muir asked in an exclusive interview at the White House Friday.

    "No, he doesn't need F-16s now," Biden responded.

    Asked by Muir if that meant "never," Biden said there was no way to know exactly what the Ukrainian defense would require in the future, but that "there is no basis upon which there is a rationale, according to our military now, to provide F-16s."

    "I am ruling it out for now," Biden said.

    While Biden has adamantly maintained that U.S support for Ukraine "will not waver" for "as long as it takes" to defeat Russia, he told Muir that the U.S. military has deemed other support more crucial for the current stage.

    "Look, we're sending him what our seasoned military thinks he needs now. He needs tanks, he needs artillery, he needs air defense, including another HIMAR[S] (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System)," Biden said.

    "There's things he needs now that we're sending him to put them in a position to be able to make gains this spring and this summer going into the fall."
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:45 pm

    Znam da je ton ovde bitan, ali zaista - sta ce.im ti avioni?
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:45 pm

    I ko ce da ih vozi
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    Post by Notxor Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:50 pm

    Ti si mnogo naivan?

    Lithuania's prime minister says Ukrainians should get all the weapons they want because they are dying for Europe's safety: 'We're just losing some money'

    Dakle, strovaljuj sve što ima u Ukrajinu jer je u pitanju evropska bezbednost - ko pusti Rusa, pustiće i Kineza. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 11 1241126653 (Kao Jusufi Điua, tj. Liua)


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:12 pm

    Hrvatska je započela operaciju slanja 14 transportnih helikoptera u Ukrajinu. Dvanaest helikoptera MI 8 MTV-1 i dva helikoptera MI 8 T izdvojeni su iz Oružanih snaga te su krenule pripreme za njihov transport, doznaje Jutarnji list.

    Prema dostupnim informacijama, više helikoptera u ovom trenutku nalazi se u prostorima Zrakoplovno-tehničkog centra u Velikoj Gorici, gdje njegovi djelatnici rješavaju sve potrebne tehničke pripreme. Dio helikoptera je u hangarima, a trenutno su dva na vanjskom dijelu ZTC-a. Između ostalog, s helikoptera se skidaju sve postojeće oznake, po potrebi se mijenja istrošeni materijal, dolijeva ulje itd. Zbog nedostatka prostora u ZTC-u, preostali helikopteri nalaze se na vojnom dijelu aerodroma Pleso i u Lučkom. Procjene su da će helikopteri biti spremni za transport za otprilike deset dana. Prema našim informacijama, sedam helikoptera bit će dijelom rastavljeno te će ih transportirati kopnenim putem, a preostalih sedam odletjet će u Poljsku. Naime, svih 14 helikoptera bit će prebačeno u Poljsku, odakle će ih proslijediti u Ukrajinu.


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    Post by kondo Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:16 pm

    Zoran će izvršiti jedan kvalitetan harakiri.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:17 pm

    kondo wrote:Zoran će izvršiti jedan kvalitetan harakiri.

    Ako već nije izveo neku sabotažu na helićima.


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    Post by kondo Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:18 pm

    Pa neće, vidiš da dolivaju ulje.... idi begaj što kažu neki.


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    Post by Del Cap Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:06 pm

    Niz
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:26 pm

    Vijetnamci nikad nisu umeli da prepoznaju američki imperijalizam
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    Post by Filipenko Sat Feb 25, 2023 7:13 pm

    Je li pravedno sto su oni rasturili Juzni Vijetnam? Pitam za druga kome je jako bitna pravednost rata i uzasava se pomisli da jedna zemlja apsorbuje drugu, negirajuci joj pravo na postojanje.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:03 pm

    To je, for ol intents end prpozis, bio gradjanski rat Filipe
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    Post by паће Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:04 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:To je, for ol intents end prpozis, bio gradjanski rat Filipe

    А Французи су ту имали улогу посматрача?


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:06 pm

    Pa ne, ali posle je bio gradj rat.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:07 pm

    Pa i za Ruse je ovo građamski rat.  Rat u Ukrajini - Page 11 2304934895


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    Post by паће Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:14 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Pa ne, ali posle je bio gradj rat.

    А, Амери су имали улогу посматрача...


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:17 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Pa i za Ruse je ovo građamski rat.  Rat u Ukrajini - Page 11 2304934895

    Ali nije za Ukrajince. A to je vaznije. Mislim, za 99% bar.
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    Post by Solus_Rex Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:22 pm

    Zeihan kreće od 7:45:


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    A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža."  - Monsier K.
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    Post by kondo Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:23 pm

    wdf je to


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    Post by Solus_Rex Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:34 pm

    Demografičar I razvojni ekonomista iz Ostina. 
    Gostovao je kod nas pa produžio do Rogana.


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    A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža."  - Monsier K.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:09 pm



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    Post by Del Cap Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:24 pm

    Ok, to je tačno u velikoj meri, mada ne u potpunosti. Doduše, postoji praktičan razlog: za razliku od tih prethodnih ratova ("od Vijetnama naovamo"), protivnik u ovom slučaju (Rusija) ima obaveštajne mogućnosti da izvlači dopunske informacije iz bilo kakve reportaže sa fronta, nišani i možda gađa vojsku koja je pred kamerama itd. Rekao bih da postoji "omerta" među zapadnim novinarima i osint-ovcima da se prosto što manje podataka sa ukrajinske strane bilo šalje u "etar" bilo detaljno obrađuje i sintetizuje. Prosto je premnogo ljudi tu direktno investirano u rat, koji nije baš rat protiv dramatično slabijeg protivnika po običaju.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:31 pm

    Ma da
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    Post by Del Cap Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:01 am

    China Reportedly Negotiating with Russia To Supply Kamikaze Drones

    The U.S. and Germany have warned China not to deliver weapons to Russia. According to information obtained by DER SPIEGEL, however, Beijing and Moscow are said to be negotiating the purchase of 100 strike drones, which could be delivered as soon as April.
    23.02.2023, 21.20 Uhr

    At the Munich Security Conference last weekend, U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken dispensed with the usual diplomatic niceties when he reported on his meeting with top Chinese foreign policy official Wang Yi, delivering a rebuke instead.

    "We are very concerned that China is considering providing lethal support to Russia in its aggression against Ukraine," Blinken told U.S. broadcaster NBC. "And I made clear that that would have serious consequences in our relationship as well."

    China reacted quickly, with a Foreign Ministry spokesperson accusing Blinken of spreading disinformation. But information obtained by DER SPIEGEL indicates that the planned cooperation between Beijing and Moscow goes even further than Blinken makes it sound.

    A Warhead up to 50 Kilograms in Weight

    According to that information, the Russian military is engaged in negotiations with Chinese drone manufacturer Xi'an Bingo Intelligent Aviation Technology over the mass production of kamikaze drones for Russia. The revelations create a new urgency in the debate over possible Chinese military support for Russia.

    Bingo has reportedly agreed to manufacture and test 100 ZT-180 prototype drones before delivering them to the Russian Defense Ministry by April 2023. Military experts believe the ZT-180 is capable of carrying a 35- to 50 kilogram warhead.

    Sources believe that the design of the unmanned aerial vehicle could be similar to that of Iran's Shaheed 136 kamikaze drone. The Russian army has deployed hundreds of them in its attacks on Ukraine, where they used the Iranian drones to target residential buildings, power plants and district heating facilities, often resulting in civilian casualties.

    Plans for Falsified Shipping Papers

    In a further step, Bingo reportedly plans to deliver components and know-how to Russia so that the country can produce around 100 drones a month on its own.


    China apparently already had plans last year to provide the Russian military with much more substantial support than previously known. According to information obtained by DER SPIEGEL, companies under the control of China's People's Liberation Army had planned to deliver replacement parts for Russia's SU-27 fighter jets and other models.

    DER SPIEGEL has learned in its reporting that plans had apparently already been made to falsify shipping documents to make the parts for military aircraft appear to be replacement parts for civilian aviation.

    Microchips Made in the Netherlands

    In January, Dutch public broadcaster NOS reported that Dutch microchips had been delivered to the Russian defense industry via Chinese companies. According to the report, an analysis by the Ukrainian forces of seized Russian offensive weapons like rockets, helicopters and drones or their remains showed that microchips from the Netherlands had apparently been installed in 10 of 27 Russian weapons inspected.

    For months, reports have been circulating among security officials in a handful of countries that Chinese companies have been providing satellite images of combat zones in Ukraine to the Russian side. In response, the U.S. government recently placed the Chinese satellite company Changsha Tianyi Space Science and Technology Institute on its sanctions list. Washington claims the company's images have been obtained by the Wagner Group – the Russian private mercenary unit notorious for its brutality – to enable "combat operations in Ukraine."

    Civilian Drones Reportedly Used for War Reconnaissance

    The government in Berlin also has information suggesting that China is also delivering commercially available drones to Russian customers that can also be used for reconnaissance purposes as part of the war in Ukraine. Military officials refer to these devices as dual-use because they are of utility in both civilian and military applications.

    According to information obtained by DER SPIEGEL, the drones are delivered to Russian forces by Chinese-controlled import-export companies via the United Arab Emirates. People familiar with the analyses of these deals say that evidence exists indicating that Russian forces have in fact deployed such drones to conduct reconnaissance along the front in Ukraine.

    This could be one reason that both German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock addressed the issue of possible military support from Beijing for Moscow in conversations with Wang at the Munich Security Conference. "I said clearly in my last conversation with representatives of China that this cannot be accepted," the chancellor said on the political talk show "Maybrit Illner" on public broadcaster ZDF.

    Sources told DER SPIEGEL that Wang reacted coolly when confronted by the Germans. He reportedly said that China is playing by the rules.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry also denied weapons deliveries to Russia, without addressing the specific allegations. "It is a known fact that NATO countries, including the U.S., are the biggest source of weaponry for the battlefield in Ukraine, yet they keep claiming that China may be supplying weapons to Russia," a Foreign Ministry spokesperson said in a statement to DER SPIEGEL issued through the Chinese Embassy in Berlin. "This is a familiar trick used and exposed soon after the Ukraine crisis broke out. … We urge NATO to quit groundless speculation and smears against China on the Ukraine issue."

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