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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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plachkica wrote:BREAKING: Biden says he 'never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children'
— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 11, 2023
Kad kaze da je video potvrdjeno, pod time ne misli da je video potvrdjeno
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Skandal.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Jerusalim je problem. Čiji je to glavni grad? Ne može i palestinski i izraelski jer uprava nad gradom može biti samo jedna.
Berlin se već desio, Nikozija takodje, itd.
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Imaš i kontra primera, mnogo bliže Beogradu. Sarajevo nije podeljeno.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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MNE wrote:a šta je konkretno problem sa two-state solution ovo što Kina predlaže podržava šta god?
nista. to je manje vise ono sto je, kako smo vec videli, keri gurao u UN. no bibi je taj plan potopio a onda je pobedio orange sensation s kojim se savrseno razume na burazersko-preduzimacko-muljatorskoj osnovi pa tako to vise nije ni islo nigde
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Imaš i kontra primera, mnogo bliže Beogradu. Sarajevo nije podeljeno.
da, ali to je u okviru necega sto posle sukoba ipak funkcionise kao jedna zemlja/drzava
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/11/opinion/international-world/gaza-israel-palestinians-invasion.htmlOPINION - GUEST ESSAY BY R. DAVID HARDEN*
Israel Could Be Walking Into a Trap in Gaza
Oct. 11, 2023
Four days after Hamas’s attack, Israel appeared poised to order a full-scale ground invasion of the Gaza Strip.
With more than 1,000 killed in Israel and 2,600 wounded in the deadliest incursion on Israeli territory in its history, the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is under enormous pressure to send its forces into the enclave. It has already responded with airstrikes that have killed more than 900 Palestinians in Gaza.
Before going any further, Israel must consider that it may be walking into a Gaza trap. Here is why.
Hamas knew that the attack on Saturday would give Mr. Netanyahu little choice but to retaliate with a ground invasion, and it knows that the Israel Defense Forces’ technology and military superiority would offer little advantage on the crowded streets of Gaza City; in Jabalia, Gaza’s largest refugee camp; or through Hamas’s labyrinth of underground tunnels. Gaza, 140 square miles with a population of more than two million, is one of the most densely populated places on earth.
It appears Hamas wants to draw Israeli soldiers into a quagmire, as Hezbollah did in Southern Lebanon from 1985 to 2000. After years of fighting, Israel suffered a humiliating and chaotic withdrawal, leaving an empowered and threatening Hezbollah on its northern border.
Why might Hamas want to draw the Israel Defense Forces into a bloody ground battle? Hamas is the uncontested power in Gaza, though elections have not been held since 2006. The Palestinian Authority; its main political party, Fatah; the business community; civil society; and family clan leaders cannot effectively challenge Hamas, which has become only stronger after each successive conflict with Israel. Despite an Israeli blockade and round-the-clock surveillance, Hamas has apparently been able to build and buy more rockets, steadily improve their range and accuracy, provide offensive combat training for its fighters and develop an intelligence network sophisticated and far-reaching enough to launch a simultaneous assault on 22 Israeli locations. Hamas surely believes it can defeat the Israelis on its home turf in a war of attrition.
Hamas also stands to expand its political credibility in the West Bank if Israel invades Gaza, particularly if Israeli advances stall. Many Palestinians in the West Bank already regard the Palestinian Authority, which administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, as corrupt, enfeebled and unable to realize the aspirations of its people. Israel’s July incursion into the West Bank city of Jenin further highlighted that the government of the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, can neither protect the people of Jenin nor provide a vision of a more hopeful future. If Israel invades Gaza, Hamas may have the public support to challenge the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and potentially assume leadership as the sole representative of the Palestinian people.
In the broader region, Hamas can also count on its ally Hezbollah. The day after the Hamas attack in southern Israel, Hezbollah, presumably in an attempt to test the readiness of Israeli forces, engaged in fighting with the Israeli military along the northern border near Shebaa Farms, land that is controlled by Israel but claimed by Lebanon. Hezbollah may seek to gain advantage if Israel is fighting Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite its grotesque atrocities against civilians, Hamas may have already reset the political realignment in the Middle East by disrupting prospective diplomatic talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia. But if Gaza were now to escalate into a protracted ground war, Hamas could also undermine the Abraham Accords, which established agreements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, and break the trend of increasing Arab-Israeli normalization. The Palestinian Authority was unable to block the Abraham Accords, but Hamas could still unwind them.
Israel, of course, can count on U.S. support as it takes its next steps. The Biden administration has sent a carrier strike group to the eastern Mediterranean Sea, in what it has said is a “deterrence posture” that will provide the Israel Defense Forces with “additional equipment and resources, including munitions.” The national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, reaffirmed U.S. support for Israel immediately after President Biden’s news conference on Tuesday.
Over the next week or so, Israel could destroy much of Hamas’s infrastructure. The Israel Defense Forces will channel the outrage of the nation if it launches a ground invasion of Gaza and will exact an enormous price for Hamas’s massacre in the Kfar Aza kibbutz. And yet operationally, Hamas complicates the Israel Defense Forces’ freedom of action, given that it holds at least 150 hostages. If a ground war drags on, Israel would make battlefield gains but almost certainly fail to destroy Hamas’s governing ideology or the Palestinians’ unrealized aspirations for statehood.
To avoid the Gaza trap, Israel needs Arab allies on the ground and in the region. Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Jordan have all regarded Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthi rebels in Yemen and the Muslim Brotherhood as a collective strategic threat. To gain the support of the key regional leaders, Israel will have to offer major security concessions and intelligence in the event of a wider war with Iran and set a meaningful and clear political horizon for a post-Abbas, post-Hamas Palestinian state. Yet Mr. Netanyahu faces a steep credibility gap both domestically and with Israel’s Arab neighbors. Only a true unity government may be able to blunt the Hamas threat with breakthrough diplomacy in the region. That success might cost him his job.
The days ahead will be bloody and difficult for Israelis and Palestinians. Hamas may well have set a trap if it induces an Israeli invasion of Gaza. Before Israel makes that call, it needs to have a strategy for exiting Gaza and a plan for the day after. An Israeli miscalculation in Gaza could trigger a crisis in the Middle East that lasts for generations.
* R. David Harden is a former assistant administrator at USAID’s bureau for democracy, conflict and humanitarian assistance; USAID mission director to the West Bank and Gaza; and senior adviser to President Barack Obama’s special envoy for Middle East peace.
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Thanks to the funneling of millions of Qatari dollars to Gaza, with Netanyuhu’s repeated approval as part of a deliberate, malicious policy aimed at burying the two-state solution, Hamas acquired inordinate military capabilities / Dmitry Shumskyhttps://t.co/p35e0rkjVF
— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) October 12, 2023
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a, to su ti autoritarni geniji, kupci vremena i majstori kombinacija kojima na kraju sva ta genijalnost i kombinatorika eksplodira u lice
ali ajd njima, nego svima
ali ajd njima, nego svima
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-gantz-agree-form-emergency-israel-government-statement-2023-10-11/Israel's new war cabinet vows to wipe Hamas off the earth
"We are fighting a cruel enemy, worse than ISIS," Netanyahu said alongside Gantz and Gallant, comparing the group's attack with brutal killings carried out by Islamic State.
Gallant, the defence minister, said: "We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist."
Gantz, a former Israeli defence chief and general, said it was a time to join together and win. "There is a time for peace and a time for war. Now is a time for war," he said.
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rumbeando wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/11/opinion/international-world/gaza-israel-palestinians-invasion.htmlOPINION - GUEST ESSAY BY R. DAVID HARDEN*
Israel Could Be Walking Into a Trap in Gaza
Oct. 11, 2023
Four days after Hamas’s attack, Israel appeared poised to order a full-scale ground invasion of the Gaza Strip.
With more than 1,000 killed in Israel and 2,600 wounded in the deadliest incursion on Israeli territory in its history, the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is under enormous pressure to send its forces into the enclave. It has already responded with airstrikes that have killed more than 900 Palestinians in Gaza.
Before going any further, Israel must consider that it may be walking into a Gaza trap. Here is why.
Hamas knew that the attack on Saturday would give Mr. Netanyahu little choice but to retaliate with a ground invasion, and it knows that the Israel Defense Forces’ technology and military superiority would offer little advantage on the crowded streets of Gaza City; in Jabalia, Gaza’s largest refugee camp; or through Hamas’s labyrinth of underground tunnels. Gaza, 140 square miles with a population of more than two million, is one of the most densely populated places on earth.
It appears Hamas wants to draw Israeli soldiers into a quagmire, as Hezbollah did in Southern Lebanon from 1985 to 2000. After years of fighting, Israel suffered a humiliating and chaotic withdrawal, leaving an empowered and threatening Hezbollah on its northern border.
Why might Hamas want to draw the Israel Defense Forces into a bloody ground battle? Hamas is the uncontested power in Gaza, though elections have not been held since 2006. The Palestinian Authority; its main political party, Fatah; the business community; civil society; and family clan leaders cannot effectively challenge Hamas, which has become only stronger after each successive conflict with Israel. Despite an Israeli blockade and round-the-clock surveillance, Hamas has apparently been able to build and buy more rockets, steadily improve their range and accuracy, provide offensive combat training for its fighters and develop an intelligence network sophisticated and far-reaching enough to launch a simultaneous assault on 22 Israeli locations. Hamas surely believes it can defeat the Israelis on its home turf in a war of attrition.
Hamas also stands to expand its political credibility in the West Bank if Israel invades Gaza, particularly if Israeli advances stall. Many Palestinians in the West Bank already regard the Palestinian Authority, which administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, as corrupt, enfeebled and unable to realize the aspirations of its people. Israel’s July incursion into the West Bank city of Jenin further highlighted that the government of the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, can neither protect the people of Jenin nor provide a vision of a more hopeful future. If Israel invades Gaza, Hamas may have the public support to challenge the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and potentially assume leadership as the sole representative of the Palestinian people.
In the broader region, Hamas can also count on its ally Hezbollah. The day after the Hamas attack in southern Israel, Hezbollah, presumably in an attempt to test the readiness of Israeli forces, engaged in fighting with the Israeli military along the northern border near Shebaa Farms, land that is controlled by Israel but claimed by Lebanon. Hezbollah may seek to gain advantage if Israel is fighting Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank.
Despite its grotesque atrocities against civilians, Hamas may have already reset the political realignment in the Middle East by disrupting prospective diplomatic talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia. But if Gaza were now to escalate into a protracted ground war, Hamas could also undermine the Abraham Accords, which established agreements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, and break the trend of increasing Arab-Israeli normalization. The Palestinian Authority was unable to block the Abraham Accords, but Hamas could still unwind them.
Israel, of course, can count on U.S. support as it takes its next steps. The Biden administration has sent a carrier strike group to the eastern Mediterranean Sea, in what it has said is a “deterrence posture” that will provide the Israel Defense Forces with “additional equipment and resources, including munitions.” The national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, reaffirmed U.S. support for Israel immediately after President Biden’s news conference on Tuesday.
Over the next week or so, Israel could destroy much of Hamas’s infrastructure. The Israel Defense Forces will channel the outrage of the nation if it launches a ground invasion of Gaza and will exact an enormous price for Hamas’s massacre in the Kfar Aza kibbutz. And yet operationally, Hamas complicates the Israel Defense Forces’ freedom of action, given that it holds at least 150 hostages. If a ground war drags on, Israel would make battlefield gains but almost certainly fail to destroy Hamas’s governing ideology or the Palestinians’ unrealized aspirations for statehood.
To avoid the Gaza trap, Israel needs Arab allies on the ground and in the region. Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Jordan have all regarded Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthi rebels in Yemen and the Muslim Brotherhood as a collective strategic threat. To gain the support of the key regional leaders, Israel will have to offer major security concessions and intelligence in the event of a wider war with Iran and set a meaningful and clear political horizon for a post-Abbas, post-Hamas Palestinian state. Yet Mr. Netanyahu faces a steep credibility gap both domestically and with Israel’s Arab neighbors. Only a true unity government may be able to blunt the Hamas threat with breakthrough diplomacy in the region. That success might cost him his job.
The days ahead will be bloody and difficult for Israelis and Palestinians. Hamas may well have set a trap if it induces an Israeli invasion of Gaza. Before Israel makes that call, it needs to have a strategy for exiting Gaza and a plan for the day after. An Israeli miscalculation in Gaza could trigger a crisis in the Middle East that lasts for generations.
* R. David Harden is a former assistant administrator at USAID’s bureau for democracy, conflict and humanitarian assistance; USAID mission director to the West Bank and Gaza; and senior adviser to President Barack Obama’s special envoy for Middle East peace.
dobar tekst, ali, zaista, who knows. nit znamo sta je hamasov plan, ni sta je izraelski plan, nit kako ce se tacno okolne zemlje ponasati.
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Palestinian politician Mustafa Barghouti says the total Israeli blockade of Gaza and the intense bombardment of the coastal enclave both constitute war crimes. He warns that Israeli leaders could now be preparing to commit a third war crime: ethnic cleansing of Gaza. pic.twitter.com/zf0na80xv4
— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) October 11, 2023
Palestinian academic @yarahawari tells @KamaliMelbourne 'this was not a provocation by Hamas. The Israeli regime has for decades placed Palestinians under colonial occupation.'
— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 11, 2023
She adds that 'the level of dehumanisation is astounding.'https://t.co/XxppOTyTR8Sky 501 pic.twitter.com/ZoMGWxcCUA
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rumbeando wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-gantz-agree-form-emergency-israel-government-statement-2023-10-11/Israel's new war cabinet vows to wipe Hamas off the earth
"We are fighting a cruel enemy, worse than ISIS," Netanyahu said alongside Gantz and Gallant, comparing the group's attack with brutal killings carried out by Islamic State.
Gallant, the defence minister, said: "We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist."
Gantz, a former Israeli defence chief and general, said it was a time to join together and win. "There is a time for peace and a time for war. Now is a time for war," he said.
Да протерају Палестинце из Газе могу али хамас да униште-јок.
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al jazeera kaze da je hamasov plan bio da predlozi razmenu talaca, ali deluje mi da li i oni traze smisao u besmislu kao i mi ostali, a ne da to kazu na osnovu nekih konkretnih informacija.
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There will be no water, fuel, or electricity in Gaza until the return of all Israeli hostages kept by Hamas in the Strip, Energy Minister Israel Katz said on Thursday morning.#Israel | #Gaza https://t.co/LaVs1aXR50
— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) October 12, 2023
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My statement on the continuing violence in Israel and Gaza. pic.twitter.com/WE4o5a6rLl
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) October 11, 2023
The occupying Israeli army shuts down the entrances to the city of Jericho in the occupied West Bank, blocking the movement of the #Palestinian traffic into and out of the city. pic.twitter.com/pLURr4H82t
— Quds News Network (@QudsNen) October 12, 2023
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Palestinian health ministry reports three Palestinians killed by Israeli settlers in the West Bank village of Qusra, close to Nablus. A video shows a number of apparent masked settlers, some of them armed, as gunfire rings out in the area.pic.twitter.com/mMHRSS2817
— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian) October 11, 2023
Backed by lsraeli occupation forces, lsraeli colonial settlers carry out a barbaric attack on Qusra village yesterday, killing 4 Palestinians and injuring many others. pic.twitter.com/na0wr5cElb
— TIMES OF GAZA (@Timesofgaza) October 12, 2023
BREAKING: A Palestinian man was just shot dead by Israeli terror settler militias during the funeral of four Palestinians murdered yesterday by the same militias in the village of Qusra, south of Nablus. pic.twitter.com/vBNOXl5lgc
— Quds News Network (@QudsNen) October 12, 2023
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BREAKING: Poll commissioned by statistician Professor Camil Fuchs of Tel Aviv University finds that among Israeli Jews, 94% believe the government is responsible for the intelligence failure, while 59% have little faith in the government leading the war and 56% believe Netanyahu…
— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 12, 2023
56% believe Netanyahu should resign immediately after the war is done.
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Ovo je prosto neizbezno. Palestinci nemaju nikakvu organizaciju niti otpor na Zapadnoj obali i tu ce ih teroristi i naseljenici varvari ubijati sa strascu bez ozbiljnog otpora. U Gazi se gine od ozbiljnog oruzja, na Zapadnoj obali svaki terorista jevrejskog prezimena ima svojevremeno precutnu dozvolu, doskora amin a sada i zvanicni jahveslov da ubije kog god Palestinca hoce po nahodjenju i uzme mu imovinu, nesto poput izvornih arapskih dzihada.
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Blinken meets Netanyahu, says “we are here, we aren’t going anywhere” pic.twitter.com/33EpNEMaet
— Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) October 12, 2023
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More than 338,000 people have fled their homes in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip amid heavy Israeli bombardment, UN's humanitarian agency OCHA said.
— DW News (@dwnews) October 12, 2023
The bombardment is in retaliation to terror attacks carried out by the Islamist-militant group.https://t.co/HSCaaErrxO
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RT na arapskom ugostio jednog od lidera Hamasa posle napada.
Senior Hamas Official Ali Baraka: We Have Been Secretly Planning the Invasion for Two Years; Russia Sympathizes with Us, Benefits from U.S. Embroilment in This War; Any Swap Deal Should Include Hamas Prisoners in Europe and the U.S. #Hamas #Russia #Israel_under_attack pic.twitter.com/JNGQotkKg5
— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) October 11, 2023
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