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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:12 am

    Lol ne sećam se toga
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:15 am

    Indy wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:Jel ima negde da se malo bolje vidi tekst?


    Mislim da je ovo jedan od njih, ali meni ovde izlazi da je iza paywalla.

    rumbeando wrote:Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 FqkD6xpaEAEqEGH

    To je ovaj tekst:
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-faces-the-threat-of-war-with-china-within-three-years-and-we-re-not-ready-20230221-p5cmag.html

    Ima ovde arhiviran ako nekom ne otvara:
    https://archive.is/20230308001118/https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-faces-the-threat-of-war-with-china-within-three-years-and-we-re-not-ready-20230221-p5cmag.html

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    Post by fikret selimbašić Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:32 am

    Cousin Billy wrote:Lol ne sećam se toga


    https://parapsihopatologija.com/forums/topic/914-ban-restrictions-log/?do=findComment&comment=2871970

    https://parapsihopatologija.com/forums/topic/19439-imam-pitanje-za-mod-tim/?do=findComment&comment=2871551


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:42 am


    U.S., China Plunge Further Into a Spiral of Hostility - WSJ

    U.S., China Plunge Further Into a Spiral of Hostility
    After tiptoeing toward a rapprochement, any fence-mending now has been postponed
    House Committee Warns of Beijing’s Threat to U.S. Interests and Values

    By James T. AreddyFollow and Charles HutzlerFollow
    Updated March 7, 2023 10:41 pm ET


    ​Harsh new verbal attacks on the U.S. by Beijing’s top leadership demonstrate just how unsteady relations have become between the world’s two major powers.

    Just a few weeks ago, China and the U.S. were tiptoeing toward something akin to a diplomatic cease-fire. President Biden’s envoy was due in Beijing to craft a possible framework for high-level government-to-government dialogues and stabilize ties after years of bitterness.

    Then, a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon was detected crossing North America, casting a new shadow over relations. The fence-mending trip was postponed and relations between the two powers have plunged further into a spiral of recrimination and tension.

    This week, China’s leader, Xi Jinping, and his foreign minister accused Washington of suppressing China’s development and driving the two countries toward conflict.

    “Everything the other side does is seen as negative and done with evil intention,” said Suisheng Zhao, a China foreign-policy specialist at the University of Denver. “That is the Cold War mentality.”

    China’s leader, Mr. Xi, elevated the rhetorical tension with an accusation straight out of that bygone era, a breakdown both sides insist they don’t want. China, Mr. Xi charged, faces “all-around containment, encirclement and suppression” at the hands of Western nations in league with the U.S.


    On Tuesday, his new foreign minister, Qin Gang, followed up with a warning that unless the U.S. changes course “there will surely be conflict and confrontation.”

    A spokesman for the National Security Council, John Kirby, when asked about the rhetoric from Beijing, said the Biden administration policy is unchanged: It seeks competition with China, not conflict.

    “There is nothing about our approach to this most consequential of bilateral relationships that should lead anybody to think that we want conflict,” he told reporters Tuesday. “We absolutely want to keep it at that level.”

    The breadth of discord in U.S.-China ties, however, shows the difficulties in constraining tensions. The Biden administration has continued Trump-era trade tariffs, sharpened controls on exports of advanced semiconductors and rallied allies and other countries to counter China’s influence around the world.

    Beijing has drawn closer to Moscow, including during its war on Ukraine, and stepped up military provocations against Taiwan, while last summer cutting off more of the few channels for U.S. dialogue that had existed, including military-to-military exchanges.

    Congress has added to the strains. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) said Tuesday he will meet with Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen when she travels to the U.S. this year. Beijing wants to isolate Taiwan and Ms. Tsai to force the island to unify with China. Mr. McCarthy’s predecessor, Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), infuriated Beijing last summer by visiting Taiwan.


    For years, Mr. Xi has sounded ever-darker in his assessments of international relations, though until this week he usually avoided criticizing the U.S. by name. In the past, he has also warned fellow officials to be ready for unpredictable events with dire consequences, known as black swans.

    Now at the tail end of several months of domestic horse-trading in the Communist Party, Mr. Xi has solidified his standing as China’s paramount leader. He is expected to emerge with a third-term as president this week, months after winning the party’s nod to remain its chief—just as numerous indicators are turning negative for the country, from its political relations with Europe to its economic data.

    The comments about encirclement demonstrate a Mr. Xi “unchained” by the political season and echo a long tradition by Communist Party officials of positioning China as a victim, said Michael Auslin, a historian at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. What is relevant is that China is militarily powerful today and Mr. Xi seems to be saying, according to Mr. Auslin, that “they have pushed us into it [but] weren’t not going to shrink from the challenge.”  

    In the balloon episode, the U.S. quickly rejected China’s claim it was a harmless weather-monitoring device and blew what it said was a spycraft with a Sidewinder missile. Behind the new round of finger-wagging and pointed remarks that followed are worries on both sides that the countries remain on a trajectory toward actual future armed conflict.

    After the balloon incident, the U.S. postponed its best gambit for a detente: a visit to Beijing by Secretary of State Antony Blinken that both sides had pitched as a critical step toward reopening communication channels that had narrowed during the Trump administration and then all but collapsed during the Covid-19 pandemic and tensions over Taiwan.



    Instead, Mr. Xi’s top foreign envoy, Wang Yi, toured Europe and bad-mouthed the U.S. at each stop. Washington responded by rejecting a 12-point Beijing position paper calling for talks to end fighting in Ukraine as a proposition only Moscow could like. Mr. Blinken also publicly warned Beijing not to fan the Ukraine conflict, saying the U.S. had intelligence China was considering providing Russia with lethal aid, such as drones and armaments. 

    Much of the rhetoric from both governments appears designed for their domestic audiences.

    Mr. Xi delivered his suppression comments to a legislative advisory body packed with politically connected business leaders who are grappling with the worst economic outlook in 25 years, including a 5% expansion in gross domestic product.

    For the U.S., the balloon incursion showed a brazenness that demanded a tough response, and it served as a lightning rod for congressional Republicans and security hawks from both parties who want Mr. Biden to take a more uncompromising stance toward Beijing.

    Last week, hearings in the House took administration officials to task for a range of issues—from stiffening controls on transfers of semiconductors to Chinese companies and banning the Chinese social media app TikTok to punishing Beijing for its export of chemicals to Mexico where they are being used to make fentanyl. Next, congress is gearing up to put pressure on U.S. corporations with investments in China.

    “This is an existential struggle over what life will look like in the 21st century—and the most fundamental freedoms are at stake,” said Wisconsin Republican Michael Gallagher in opening the first hearing of a new House committee focused on U.S. competition with the Communist Party.

    The diplomatic setback makes it harder to improve U.S.-China exchanges, such as visas for more journalists or joint cancer research, while organizing a leadership summit that both countries hope for later this year becomes all the more complex. Meanwhile, nations in Asia and Europe pine for more stable U.S.-China relations that might reduce the political risk of trading with each of the world’s two largest economies—or trying to choose between them.

    When Mr. Blinken postponed his planned trip over the Chinese balloon, the State Department said he told China’s top foreign policy official, Mr. Wang, that he aimed to reschedule as soon as conditions allow.

    Asked Monday if conditions were now conducive, State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters that no plans have been announced for such travel. Mr. Price restated the objectives for Mr. Blinken’s trip in February: that both governments shared aspirations to prevent conflict and stabilize ties.

    Those needs still pertain, Mr. Price said.  

    “We still have lines of communication with our [China] counterparts,” he said. “We wish we had more and, in some ways, deeper lines of communication.”

    Mr. Blinken’s planned visit to Beijing was never going to accomplish much beyond a possible resumption of dialogues China canceled Mrs. Pelosi’s Taiwan trip, said Mr. Zhao, who recently published the book “The Dragon Roars Back” on Chinese foreign policy. That is because neither side was going to give on vital issues, such as Washington relaxing controls on technology exports that Beijing wants or the assurances the U.S. is seeking from China not to threaten Taiwan.

    Particularly as many senior positions are changing in Mr. Xi’s administration, face-to-face talks are needed by the U.S. to understand how various parts of the government will be run, said a former State Department official, Daniel Russel, who is now vice president for international security and diplomacy at the Asia Society Policy Institute, a New York-based think tank. During a panel discussion this week, he said, “If they wait too long, events are likely to intercede.”
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    Post by ficfiric Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:11 am

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Cousin Billy wrote:Lol ne sećam se toga


    https://parapsihopatologija.com/forums/topic/914-ban-restrictions-log/?do=findComment&comment=2871970

    https://parapsihopatologija.com/forums/topic/19439-imam-pitanje-za-mod-tim/?do=findComment&comment=2871551

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    Post by konjski nil Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:22 am

    lucidno analiticni uradak dragog nam Filipa
    ja sad oću da vidim ovo Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 2304934895


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    Post by Filipenko Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:15 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Filipenko wrote:


    Nista neobicno. Uostalom (sorry za ukrstavanje sa PPP), zato dragance i agituje onoliko da se oslobode Tajvan, Hong Kong i u perspektivi i Peking po svaku cenu, a Kina predstavlja izvor svog zla ovog sveta.

    Ništa sorry, tebe su banovali tamo zbog pisanja ovde. A ja sam team Draganče Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 2304934895


    Bas sam iznenadjen. Uvek na strani humanih zapadnih vrednosti i americkih baza.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:55 am



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    Post by Filipenko Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:07 am

    Cestitke drugu Siju i da izadje na otvoreno more u ovom mandatu. Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 903208043
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:55 pm

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    Post by Solus_Rex Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:50 pm

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    A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža."  - Monsier K.
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    Post by Notxor Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:18 am

    China to inspect ships in Taiwan Strait, Taiwan says won't cooperate

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-inspect-ships-taiwan-strait-taiwan-says-wont-cooperate-2023-04-06/


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:09 am

    Nenaučene lekcije

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    Post by Јанош Винету Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:35 am

    Склапање никако, производња одређених компоненти - то може. 

    Врло је опасно да се цео авион интегрише и склапа у Кини као готов производ, покрашће технологију док си рекао кекс. Као да ставиш шницлу испред гладног али дресираног гризлија.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:46 am

    Pileća pamet
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    Post by паће Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:17 pm

    Ма ко јебе све остало, одлично ћемо изгледати на берзи пар година, распродаћемо своје деонице кад буду најскупље и отићи на пецање.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:26 pm

    Ne, poenta je u tome sto, odim sto je vrv dobar finans. dil za sve ukljucene, ovo je vrv jedna od onih logika - ako smo umrezeni sigurno nece uraditi nista glupo. Jok i nece.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:26 pm

    Mislim mozda i nece, ali sigurno ne zbog ovako necega.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:44 pm

    Airbus first established an official presence in China in 1994. Since then, rapid growth has been the hallmark of Airbus’ Chinese operations, with the company having expanded its number of commercial jetliners sold to the country by a factor of 50 in less than two decades.

    With the fast development of its aerospace and aviation industry, China is on track to become the world’s largest aviation market and it is already a major customer of Airbus products, with Chinese deliveries representing nearly a quarter of the company’s global commercial aircraft production.

    Airbus values not only its relationship with airlines and helicopter operators in China, it also appreciates the enormous value offered by Chinese industry; components produced by Chinese companies are currently found on all production Airbus commercial jetliner types. The total value of the Airbus and Chinese cooperation reached around $500 million in 2015.

    Beyond its role as both customer and supplier, China is a strategic partner as well, as evidenced by the fact that Airbus’ first final assembly line, or FAL, outside the borders of its four founding European countries was opened in the city of Tianjin in 2008. This FAL produces the A320 single-aisle family of passenger aircraft, and was joined by a Completion and Delivery Centre in 2017 for the A330, marking Airbus’ first wide-body jetliner centre outside of its founding countries.

    Odavno se A320 "sklapa" u Kini, a tehnologija što ima, ima delom i zbog toga što Kinezi (neke od njih) mogu brzo/jeftino da naprave na kilo. 

    Kina ima rast svoje avio-industrije, logika Erbasovog prisustva je da će tržište svakako rasti pa je bolje da budu deo toga nego ne. A ako nekad pukne - pukne, firme su ionako retko svojom voljom i bez prisile napuštale unosna tržišta. 

    Pa i Boing je mimo svoje volje ostavio sa strane svoj inženjerski centar i lanac snabdevanja titanijumom u Rusiji, to se počelo napuštati (ne u celini) tek posle februara prošle godine. Alternative su skupe, tj originalne investicije nisu donete napamet.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:09 pm

    Ma verujem ja da itekako ima ekonomsku logiku. Samo je pitanje ko tu ima upper hand kad se radio o eventualnoj weaponized interdependence u okviru geoekonomije, a sto moze da se desi
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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:24 pm

    potpuno je apsurdno ocekivati od americkih korporacija bilo sta sem 'obogati se brzo gico' pristupa. ici ce u kinu dok ih puskom ne isteraju.

    da bi americka vlada bila iole ozbiljna sa nearshoring-om posle pandemije morali bi da imaju neku depolitizovanu instituciju ciji agency i mogucnost za dugorocno delovanje ne bi zavisio od izbornog ciklusa a to je - kao sto je naucno dokazano - nemoguce   Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 4101625831

    mislim kada bi se to promenilo - sve bi se promenilo (za US). zato se nikad nece promeniti Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 2304934895


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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by Јанош Винету Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:33 pm

    Daï Djakman Faré wrote:potpuno je apsurdno ocekivati od americkih korporacija bilo sta sem 'obogati se brzo gico' pristupa. ici ce u kinu dok ih puskom ne isteraju.

    da bi americka vlada bila iole ozbiljna sa nearshoring-om posle pandemije morali bi da imaju neku depolitizovanu instituciju ciji agency i mogucnost za dugorocno delovanje ne bi zavisio od izbornog ciklusa a to je - kao sto je naucno dokazano - nemoguce   Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 4101625831

    mislim kada bi se to promenilo - sve bi se promenilo (za US). zato se nikad nece promeniti Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 2304934895

    Ербас није америчка корпорација, него европски конзорцијум нафилован државним новцем. Ако почну да пријављују губитке и губе радна места биће свашта.

    ”Блиско-обаљање” или ”обаљење” је само за уска грла војне индустрије. Све остало је дозвољено.

    То мало делује империјалистички са једне стране (зашто је битна само војна индустрија?) а са друге стране цивилна индустрија може слободно да сарађује са Кином, па нека бољи и конкурентнији победи.

    Кинези имају две државне фирме које се баве производњом авиона, цивилни COMAC и војни AVIC. 
    Војни програм је успешан у сваком смислу, праве јефтине а добре авионе са добрим извозним потенцијалом. Цивилни програм је рупа без дна која је произвела авион 10 година у заостатку са Боингом и Ербасом, иако се у њега 20 година сипају огромне количине новца и специјализованог људства. Узимали су и стране менаџере, слали Кинезе да се обучавају на Запад, ништа није помогло да се заостатак смањи.

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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:40 pm

    Јанош Винету wrote:Ербас није америчка корпорација, него европски конзорцијум нафилован државним новцем
    uh, permutovo sam boeing i airbus Ћина-Средње Краљевство - Page 13 3274312807

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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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