Virus

Dešava se i da osobe koje su vakcinisane obole, međutim, po pravilu radi se o blažim formama bolesti, tako da dosadašnje iskusvo pokazuje da vakcina spasava živote - rekla je Kisić Tepavčević odgovarajući na pitanja novinara u Skupštini Srbije.

Kisić je uoči konferencije povodom Međunarodnog dana starih navela i da bi sve druge mere značile samo odlaganje izloženosti virusu i pasivno povlačenje pred njim.

- Jedina mera kao kontranapad kojim fomiramo štit i branu od širenja virusa jeste vakcinacija. Nikakvo drugo stručno telo ne može da kaže ništa više osim toga. Imamo dostupne vakcine i još jedan apel svima, molim vas, vakcinišite se - poručila je ministarka.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Accept It: COVID Will Be an Endemic Virus
— Everyone will meet with the virus eventually, but doing so safely (while vaccinated) is key
by Vinay Prasad, MD, MPH September 22, 2021


Several human figures from cut paper with colorful COVID-19 viruses where their faces should be.
Each day we inch toward the end of COVID-19. The end is not when cases go to zero, but rather when we accept what has been true all along. Because of multiple animal reservoirs, because vaccinated people can still experience breakthrough infections, and because billions of people globally have yet to be vaccinated, the truth is clear: SARS-CoV-2 is an endemic virus.

Over the next decade, give or take a few years, every single person on earth has a date with this virus. We will all be exposed, and the virus might replicate in some of our respiratory mucosa. A few of us might get very sick, while many of us may only get mild illness or not get sick at all from our encounter. I prefer to meet the virus on the best terms: after two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine (as I have gotten).

When we truly come to accept that avoiding the virus for decades is impossible, many things change. Our policy goals change, and the restrictions we place on society change.

If you are an adult and have neither been vaccinated nor have natural immunity, you should seek out vaccination. If you are in a location with limited vaccine availability -- and you are older or vulnerable -- you might want to shield yourself, as best you can, while you wait for a vaccine. Kids who aren't yet eligible for vaccines -- and people in close contact with young kids or other unvaccinated people -- may also choose to take precautions.

If instead you are among the majority of U.S. adults who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity to the virus, your choice is clear: you can continue to follow strict personal precautions (avoid weddings, skip parties, etc.) and delay your encounter with the virus, or you can loosen up those precautions and speed up the time to encountering it. What you can't do is avoid it forever.

Some folks who are vulnerable may wish to get a booster prior to changing their behavior, but we have yet to see clinical outcomes improve from boosting in the general population, and it is possible that with more time, the booster will also wane and you might need a series of them. Despite all this, you may still eventually encounter the virus.

Healthy people, particularly young people who have been vaccinated (such as college students), might realistically not be able to do anything more to optimize their chances of remaining well when they encounter the virus. They can skip parties, avoid dating, and give up indoor restaurants, but practically this may just delay COVID-19 from age 22 to 30. The price paid for this delay will be the inconvenience of those precautions, and the events they did not experience along the way.

Thinking about meeting SARS-CoV-2 as a matter of when, and under what circumstances, rather than if, changes one's policy choices. First, it stresses the importance of vaccination. It doesn't matter if vaccines are not perfect or if you can still get sick -- because they greatly reduce the chance of hospitalization and death, they are worth pursuing.

Second, it makes one question our policy choices. For example, many universities are currently testing asymptomatic college students weekly. When cases rise, these schools have banned private gatherings and implemented masking indoors and out. These policies might either have no proven benefits (outdoor masking) or somewhat slow the spread of the virus (banning gatherings), but what is the big picture goal? Every one of these students will eventually be exposed to the virus, particularly as parties get pushed inside in the winter and during big spring break gatherings. If the local healthcare system is not experiencing a rise in hospitalizations (which they're not in many of these cities), then these policies deprive college students of experiences that mean something and at best shift the date they encounter the virus. Since most students are young and healthy, the risk the virus poses to them and the odds they're going to encounter it are unlikely to be significantly changed.

Beyond only colleges, heavily vaccinated cities such as San Francisco continue to implement restrictions, such as indoor mask mandates for the vaccinated. Again, at some point in the next decade, the virus will likely meet all the people in San Francisco. If they wear surgical masks for the next 6, 12, or 18 months, eventually they will fatigue, and the virus will be there when they do. The odds of getting very sick won't change for most people, so what is the goal of delaying the encounter if local hospitals aren't stressed?

Acceptance means reminding ourselves that the things we have put on hold -- dinners, parties, lectures, meetings, museums, restaurants, travel, weddings, and so on -- can't be put on hold forever. And avoiding all these activities in pursuit of health means giving up living in order to stay alive.

Acceptance is coming -- that's the true end of the pandemic. COVID-19 won't vanish as some may have believed early on. Instead, some pockets of the U.S. will continue to have caseload increases, some hospitals may get overloaded and local measures may be necessary, but the virus is not going away and the burden is on us to come to terms with that. Each of us has to decide how much life we are willing to trade to delay our time to meet the virus.

rumbeando wrote:​Zamenik direktora Univerzitetskog kliničkog centra Niš Radmilo Janković jutros na Niškoj televiziji (NTV): 

Juče, ovo je jako bitno, nama su preminule četiri trudnice. Na svu sreću smo uspeli makar decu da spasemo, a to su takve drame bile da ste vi ženu reanimirali na operacionom stolu, čitava ekipa u skafanderima da makar dete ostane živo. Na svu sreću su deca ostala živa.

 
To je bilo u 9:14:39 po satu na Eonu. Ko ima Eon može da vrati, u pitanju je NTV tj. kako tamo piše Niška televizija.
https://eon.tv/player/938
 
Zatim je citirao preporuku američkog CDC-ja da se trudnice obavezno vakcinišu jer je rizik od smrti za 70% veći.
 

The CDC health advisory strongly recommends COVID-19 vaccination either before or during pregnancy because the benefits of vaccination for both pregnant persons and their fetus or infant outweigh known or potential risks.
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Cases of COVID-19 in symptomatic, pregnant people have a two-fold risk of admission into intensive care and a 70 percent increased risk of death. Pregnant people with COVID-19 are at increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes that could include preterm birth, stillbirth, and admission into the ICU of a newborn also infected with COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0929-pregnancy-health-advisory.html
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https://t.co/BUa3UYWfFI Da su se kojom srećom kolektivno (zasluženo) samoubili, pa da to bude neka (lepa) vest
- a ovako samo bla bla truć!

— Zlatko Vidović (@vidovic_zlatko) October 1, 2021

lalinea wrote:Ako je ovo tacno

Del Cap wrote:

Dešava se i da osobe koje su vakcinisane obole, međutim, po pravilu radi se o blažim formama bolesti, tako da dosadašnje iskusvo pokazuje da vakcina spasava živote - rekla je Kisić Tepavčević odgovarajući na pitanja novinara u Skupštini Srbije.

Kisić je uoči konferencije povodom Međunarodnog dana starih navela i da bi sve druge mere značile samo odlaganje izloženosti virusu i pasivno povlačenje pred njim.

- Jedina mera kao kontranapad kojim fomiramo štit i branu od širenja virusa jeste vakcinacija. Nikakvo drugo stručno telo ne može da kaže ništa više osim toga. Imamo dostupne vakcine i još jedan apel svima, molim vas, vakcinišite se - poručila je ministarka.

Nema ništa od ograničavanja i zatvaranja (to je pasivno i za pičkice), ima vakcina ko voli, sve ostalo kako nam zapadne.

rumbeando wrote:

lalinea wrote:Ako je ovo tacno

Najverovatnije nije, deluje da je krenuo da priča o CDC-jevoj najnovijoj preporuci pa je skrenuo u pola rečenice da napravi uvod. Pogledaj ovde:

https://vasudeva.forumburundi.com/t1922p375-virus#606834

U zemunu se večeras čeka preko 5 sati, samo da se dođe [na red] da ti kažu kada da dođeš

Brnabić: Rekla sam Kriznom štabu da ne verujem u mere, vakcina je jedini izlaz https://t.co/LXdfeyA2P6

— TV N1 Beograd (@N1infoBG) October 2, 2021

Premijerka Ana Brnabić izjavila je da je epidemiološka situacija "katastrofalna" i da je jedini izlaz vakcinacija, navodeći da će se Krizni štab za borbu protiv korone sastati iduće sedmice.

„Da uvedemo sada restriktivne mere smirilo bi se i imali bi ponovo katastrofalnu situaciju. Jedini način je vakcinacija i podrška čitavog našeg društva procesu vakcinacije. Država je svoj posao uradila na najbolji način“, rekla je Brnabić.

U junu u SE nasi narodni poslanici glasali su za to da su kovid propusnice legitimna mera kao i za to da su skopcane i sa efikasnim nadzorom, sa oslanjanjem na misljenje struke, sa ogranicenjem vremenskim trajanja te mere...
https://t.co/IyMOW7t5Mt

— NVO Tri tačke (@nvotritacke) October 2, 2021

Grujičić: Bolnice preopterećene, apel građanima da se vakcinišu


Direktorka Instituta za onkologiju i radiologiju Kliničkog centra Srbije Danica Grujičić izjavila je danas da su bolnice preopterećene i apelovala na sve građane koji to do sada nisu učinili da se vakcinišu protiv kovida.
Urgentni centar (u Beogradu) izuzetno je opterećen, neurohirurgija radi sa samo dve sale, Prva hirurška takođe sa prepolovljenim kadrom zato što jednostavno nema anesteziologa, oni su uglavnom u Batajnici i u kovid bolnicama, rekla je Grujičićeva za RTS.
„Čekam Torlak za vakcinu, neka puste više tu torlakovu vakcinu, mislim da ćemo se svi vakcinisati, zato što u narodu i u mojoj generaciji postoji veliko poverenje u tu instituciju“, rekla je Grujičićeva.
Institut Torlak proizvodi rusku vakcinu protiv kovida Sputnjik V.
Kada je reč o Institutu za onkologiju i radiologiju Srbije, Grujičićeva je rekla da, uprkos povećanom broju novih slučajeva zaraze korona virusom, oni nisu prestajali sa radom, da lečenje onkoloških pacijenata nije zapostavljeno i da se dnevno na Institutu ozrači oko 360 pacijenata.