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    The New Cold War

    Летећи Полип

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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Ok, tekst je i pored nekih dobrih (ali i potpuno svima ociglednih) poenti, apsolutno preambiciozan.


    Pa dobro. Nekad treba dati peticu i za trud. Mislim, retko ćeš na našem jeziku pročitati ovako odmerenu geopolitičku analizu. Ako hoćeš normu, otidi na Novi Standard, pa vidi kako to izgleda.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:27 pm

    Ne, ok, to u redu
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:02 am

    Ovde najbolje  The New Cold War - Page 4 1861198401

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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:46 am

    The submarines and carrier groups, the extravagantly equipped bases, the bombers and the endless joint exercises associated with Cold War II will come at a heavy cost at home. Our schools will continue to fall apart along with our roads, bridges and transportation networks. There will be no proper health care system. Corporate exploitation will worsen and the liberals among us will insist all will be well tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. Propaganda will all but smother us. All this is already evident. But the fight for relief just got tougher.   
    Those able to recall Cold War I will understand that there is also a great psychological cost to waging these imperial campaigns. This saddens me as much as anything else. Cold War II, like the first, is likely to warp American minds in the same way. It will render an inability to see the world as it is, it will narrow the intellectual range, everything will be Manichean once again. It will render Americans lonely strangers among others.
    These are not lethal consequences in the way a war with China, which just got a lot more real, would be lethal. But Cold War II will kill our spirits, or nearly, until enough people are prepared to shake off the torpor, stand up, and say, “No more.”
    In this connection I venture a prediction. When enough people begin to resist the madness and we begin to get somewhere, Cold War II will turn out to be the American empire’s last stand.


    https://consortiumnews.com/2021/09/20/patrick-lawrence-the-empires-last-stand/
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:23 am

    A ako pogledamo malo bolje kako taj CW2 izgleda iz kineske perspektive, vrlo lako se svet moze za 10 godina naci u situaciji Hladnog rata izmedju dve declining supersile.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:41 am

    Nevolja je sto...iako mi je licno to delovalo isprva kao slaba paralela, situacija ima u tom smislu slicnosti sa pre-ww1 konstelacijom. Ne bas outright, ali neke konture odnosa podsecaju.
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:00 am

    pratite li kako je alijev otvorio nesvrstane? mislim da li je nasa i ruska politika da se daje podrska kavkaskom polovnom titu za potrebe tzv. ankare.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:10 pm

    Očigledno.

    I jesini krivac zašto sve to ne izgleda groteskno je EU.

    Lavrov, of all people, im je lepo rekao: kazete da je ZB vase dvoriste? Ok. I sta radite?
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:52 pm

    da ali mislim iran je clanica nesvrstanih a jermenija posmatrac. drugim recima jedna clanica nesvrstanih, azeri, daje baze mosadu za napade na drugu clanicu nesvrstanih ali zato je alzirac rekao da podrzava palestinsku borbu.

    nikada nije sve bilo cisto kada su nesvrstani u pitanju ali ovo je vec sou program


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:59 pm

    Cekaj, naravno da je sou program, malo sta kod ove vlasti nije. But again, Srbiji se dopusta da se tako ponasa i da to ne izgleda potpuno sumanuto jer nikog nije briga da ozbiljnije zalegne. Srbija operise u poluvakumu koji nema ko da ispuni. Mislim, "operise" tako sto sebe pravi svaciju koloniju da bi odrzavala vlast. Ali - to je za neke buduce istoricare. Danas, on moze da se pohvali jos jednim spoljmopolitickim "uspehom" koji u realnosti ne znaci ama bas nista.
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:09 pm

    pa ja zapravo mislim da je ovo danas pre slika toga kako taj uspeh i ta vrsta ortackog poretka u kojem je azerski cvrstorukas bolji brad od iranaca koje goni ipak neka ideologija nesto sto je kula od karata.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Del Cap Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:23 pm

    Ovo je komemorativna* sednica a ne trogodišnji samit, dakle sastanak nižeg ranga gde se više reminiscira, malo ističu svoji uski pogledi a retko kad opšte teme.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:55 pm

    Komizerativna :tm:
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:35 pm

    dejan jovic na tnjiteru
    Možda sam propustio, ali da li je predviđeno da domaćini ovog sastanka nesvrstanih - ili možda neka druga delegacija učesnika - posjete grob Josipa Broza Tita i recimo odnesu cvijeće?


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:51 pm

    Eh sad. Ne treba na sećanje na kako je stvarno bilo, nego onako kako nam sad treba, bez Tita, ali sa Moskvom.
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    Post by паће Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:52 pm

    Москва се уписује у покрет?


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:56 pm


    Nakon što je ovog ljeta ruski predsjednik Vladimir Putin napisao esej o tome da su Rusi i Ukrajinci jedan narod te im osporio različiti etnički, povijesni i kulturološki identitet, sada je jedan od najbližih Putinovih suradnika, Dmitrij Medvedev, napisao autorski test objavljen u moskovskom Komersantu, pun omalovažavanja i poruka o ruskom viđenju današnje Ukrajine, obraćajući se osobno ukrajinskom čelniku Zelenskom


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    Međuopštinski pustolov.

    Zli stolar.
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:47 pm

    Ruski svet.


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    Post by plachkica Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:04 pm

    živ medvedev?
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:34 pm

    ali kako je moguće da osporiš Ukrajince kada pričaju različitim jezikom od Rusa? Nije to BHS pa je jezik isti ali se zove drugačije.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by паће Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:35 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:ali kako je moguće da osporiš Ukrajince kada pričaju različitim jezikom od Rusa? Nije to BHS pa je jezik isti ali se zove drugačije.

    Па више се разликује него макед... смакедонски од бугарашког, то сигурно. Ваљда Руси умеју великодушније да пређу преко разлика.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:54 pm

    Uvek je postojao identitet u delovima danasnje teritorije Ukrajine razlicit od ruskog. Ali se sada taj identitet siri i na one kojima je objektivno maternji jezik ruski. Ali i jezik je precenjen (o tome ko je tacno ciji sin, unuk, praunuk i ostalo da ne pricamo). Tako recimo Nemcima pre 100 i kusur godina nije nikako bilo jasno kako to ljudi u Elzasu i Lotringenu pricaju nemacki, a vise se osecaju Francuzima nego Nemcima.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:03 pm

    Kiev has issued a warning shot to famous former Ukrainian Prosecutor General (in Crimea) Natalia Poklonskaya after she accepted a job from Moscow as Ambassador to Cape Verde. She is wanted on high treason charges after defecting to Russia in 2014.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:32 pm

    паће wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:ali kako je moguće da osporiš Ukrajince kada pričaju različitim jezikom od Rusa? Nije to BHS pa je jezik isti ali se zove drugačije.

    Па више се разликује него макед... смакедонски од бугарашког, то сигурно. Ваљда Руси умеју великодушније да пређу преко разлика.

    slovenacki/sprski. Kada se nadju Ukrajinac i Rus, sporazumevaju se na ruskom. Nista ja govorim ukrajinski pa me ti razumes i odgovaras na ruskom. Previse je razlika da bi mogli da ih u letu uhvate i prepoznaju.

    Mór Thököly wrote:Uvek je postojao identitet u delovima danasnje teritorije Ukrajine razlicit od ruskog. Ali se sada taj identitet siri i na one kojima je objektivno maternji jezik ruski. Ali i jezik je precenjen (o tome ko je tacno ciji sin, unuk, praunuk i ostalo da ne pricamo). Tako recimo Nemcima pre 100 i kusur godina nije nikako  bilo jasno kako to ljudi u Elzasu i Lotringenu pricaju nemacki, a vise se osecaju Francuzima nego Nemcima.

    To je tako reseno sto covek koji je iz Alzasa (a koji ima tipicno nemacko prezime) meni kaze da je on u kuci govorio alzaski, a onako preko kurca prizna da taj jezik ima neke veze sa nemackim. Francuzi su toj posleratnoj generaciji potpuno izbili iz glave da imaju ikakve veze sa Nemackom.

    A onda imas u Vojvodini ljude koji govore madjarski, kazu da su Madjari, a idu u protestantsku crkvu unazad 100 godina. Slovaci li su? Nemci li su? Ko to zna...

    No nazad na Ukrajinu: jezik je njihova vododelnica. I bas zbog toga sto jezik uglavnom nije razumljiv nema smisla od Slovenaca Ukrajinaca praviti Srbe Ruse.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:02 pm

    Madjari su bili jedni od prvih kalvinista u Evropi. Ne postoji nikakav problem da neko bude protestant i Madjar.

    Znam, ali oni sto kazem je da postoje (danas vec) Ukrajinci kojima je maternji, i svaki drugi - ruski.

    Sto se tice Elzasa - ovo o cemu pricam je jis pre "onog" rata.

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