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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:27 pm

    nije zamrzla komplet ekonomiju, odakle ti to?
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:29 pm

    Dobro, jedan ogroman deo.


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    Post by rumbeando Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:30 pm



    Akcije AstraZeneke, za razliku od Fajzerovih i Moderninih PALE su nakon objave efikasnosti. Zbog nedoslednosti i muljanja uopšte nije nemoguće da im FDA i drugi regulatori ne odobre vakcinu bez te treće studije.

    ...AstraZeneca has acknowledged a key mistake in the vaccine dosage received by some study participants, adding to questions about whether the vaccine’s apparently spectacular efficacy will hold up under additional testing.

    Scientists and industry experts said the error and a series of other irregularities and omissions in the way AstraZeneca initially disclosed the data have eroded their confidence in the reliability of the results.

    Officials in the United States have noted that the results were not clear. It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.

    The upshot, the experts said, is that the odds of regulators in the United States and elsewhere quickly authorizing the emergency use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are declining, an unexpected setback in the global campaign to corral the devastating pandemic.

    “I think that they have really damaged confidence in their whole development program,” said Geoffrey Porges, an analyst for the investment bank SVB Leerink.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

    Datum objave prvih rezultata o efikasnosti:

    Fajzer 9.11. (dopuna 18.11)

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

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    Moderna 16.11.
    https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-meets-its-primary-efficacy

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    AstraZeneka 23.11.
    https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/azd1222hlr.html

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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:36 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Dobro, jedan ogroman deo.

    pa ne, ja nisam saglasan sa ovim

    u tom periodu je dobar deo firmi radio nešto manjim kapacitetima, najčešće zbog sporijeg protoka roba u međunarodnoj špediciji, što je ispeglano od jula do oktobra, kada su rezultati uglavnom bili viši za 10 do 20% nego prošle godine, tako da se većina firmi drži na nivou prošle godine, a neki su i prebacili

    pad je bio u turizmu, horeca kanalima i izvozu na kosovo, gde je samo ovo poslednje donekle zavisilo od ove vlade

    pored toga, sve firme su imale bolji tok novca zbog moratorijuma na kredite i pomoći države oko isplate minimalaca
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:38 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Vlast je napravila grešku još onomad, sa prvim lokdaunom. Prvo, zamrzla je komplet ekonomiju na tri meseca, iako je imala sijaset prostora da to ne čini, a da joj mere butu približno efektivne. Drugo, nepotrebno je ljude stavila iza brave, paralelno se bahateći kako kroz Vođine komentare, tako i kroz otvoreno nepoštovanje mera od strane najgorih iz njenih redova. Sada nit ima novčanog sala, niti moralnog kredita da sprovede mere. Ima da ćute i smrde dok ovo ne prođe.

    Mogu da cutei da smrde kolko oce, masovna smrt od kovida i posledica kovida nas tek ceka. Drzava kojoj nije prevashodna preokupacija zivot svoji podanika na neki nacin i nije drzava. 

    Mi se trenutno krecemo ka opstem slomu. Mozda se zaustavi negde, a mozda i ne.
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:46 pm

    Astra Eyes Extra Global Vaccine Trial as Questions Mount

    By Suzi Ring and James Paton
    November 26, 2020, 10:54 AM EST Updated on November 27, 2020, 4:09 AM EST

    - Additional test shouldn’t delay regulatory approvals, CEO says
    - Different efficacy readouts for Oxford shot raised questions


    AstraZeneca Plc’s Covid-19 vaccine looks like it’s headed for an additional global trial as the drugmaker tries to clear up uncertainty and confusion surrounding favorable results in its current study.

    The company wants the new test to confirm the 90% efficacy rate that the shot showed in a portion of an existing trial, Chief Executive Officer Pascal Soriot said. It’s favoring that option rather than adding an arm to a separate study that’s already underway in the U.S.

    Questions are mounting over one of the fastest-moving shots after the company acknowledged that a lower dosage level that appeared more effective resulted from a manufacturing discrepancy. The company and its partner, the University of Oxford, didn’t initially disclose the error and other key details, leading to concern over their transparency.

    “Now that we’ve found what looks like a better efficacy we have to validate this, so we need to do an additional study,” Soriot said in his first interview since the data were released. It will probably be another “international study, but this one could be faster because we know the efficacy is high so we need a smaller number of patients.”

    Soriot said he didn’t expect the additional trial to hold up regulatory approvals in the U.K. and European Union.

    U.K. Health Secretary Matt Hancock asked the nation’s medical regulator to potentially bypass its EU counterpart and approve the supply of AstraZeneca’s vaccine to speed its deployment. Until the end of the year, when the U.K. exits a post-Brexit transition period, vaccines must be authorized by the European Medicines Agency. But on Friday, Hancock said he invoked a special rule allowing Britain’s regulator to authorize a temporary supply of the vaccine if the data is robust enough.

    Clearance from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration may take longer because the regulator is unlikely to approve the vaccine on the basis of studies conducted elsewhere, especially given the questions over the results, Soriot said. Authorization in some countries is still expected before the end of the year, he said.

    “The question for us was, will we need the U.S. data to get approval in the U.S. or can we get approval in the U.S. with international data, and it was never clear,” said Soriot, who is in quarantine after arriving in Australia. “Now with those results it’s more likely that we will need the U.S. data.”

    Astra and its CEO are facing scrutiny as the drugmaker responds to growing confusion over the vaccine. The company’s late-stage data initially increased confidence that the world would soon have multiple shots to combat the pathogen, following positive reports from front-runners Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. But scant disclosures and the manufacturing discrepancy have sparked doubts among scientists and investors.

    Astra shares fell 0.8% by 8:57 a.m. in London trading Friday, bringing the decline this week to about 8% amid questions about the trial results.

    Different Rates

    Astra and Oxford reported Monday that a lower initial dose of the vaccine, followed by a full dose, produced a 90% efficacy rate in a smaller set of participants, compared with 62% for two full doses.

    A day after the data were unveiled the head of Operation Warp Speed, the U.S. vaccine program, said that the regimen showing the higher level of effectiveness was tested in a younger population. He also said the half-dose was given to some people because of an error in the quantity of vaccine put into some vials. None of those details were disclosed in Astra or Oxford’s original statements.

    Soriot disputed the idea that the half-dose regimen was an error, saying that after researchers realized the dosing discrepancy they formally changed the trial protocol with the blessing of regulators.

    “I won’t tell you we expected the efficacy to be higher,” said Soriot. But “people call it a mistake -- it’s not a mistake.”

    The company has previously said it might add a new arm to its U.S. trial to test the lower dosage.

    Astra and researchers have declined to provide more data ahead of a peer-reviewed analysis that is expected to be published in the coming weeks. Results have been submitted to an undisclosed journal, Astra said in a statement.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-26/astra-likely-to-run-fresh-global-covid-vaccine-trial-ceo-says
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    Post by kondo Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:19 pm

    bemty wrote:meni u celoj toj prici uopste nije jasno zasto svi moraju na pregled. zasto ne organizuju samo briseve, brzo, pa posle jave rezultate telefonom, a na pregled samo oni koji se osecaju bas lose. za sta trijaza moze isto telefonom da se odradi. meni se cini da su te covid ambulante potencijalno najvece zariste zaraze.

    postoje i veće bizarnosti, to što ne prihvataju rezultate privatnih labova i generalno privatnih klinika, što bi itekako rasteretilo sistem. prosto, mogli su da sertifikuju što više takvih za sve što treba kao da će sad državni CRP da bude tačniji od onog koji mi izmeri inter-light ili neko sličan. o rentgenu, tehnologiji staroj 100 godina da ne govorim. jebeno zapaljenje pluća, nije sarkom ne znam čega.

    sve bi ovo moglo drugačije, ali ko je gledao sinoć lončara na RTS mogao je da vidi, pored svega ostalog, i jednog očajnog čoveka koji se predao stihiji i sudbini i nema apsolutno nikakvu ideju sem da kao rain man ponavlja nosite maske perite ruke i ne znam, još nešto je reko tako. na ivici sam bio da mi ga bude žao (NOT). verujem da postoji jak razlog zašto je on ministar - pre svega zato što to niko drugi ne bi radio, barem ne sa osećajem odgovornosti.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:29 pm

    Evo da pohvalimo i Blgare

    Bugarska zatvara škole, kafiće, restorane i trgovačke centre


    Zatvaranje škola, ugostiteljskih objekata i trgovačkih centara mere su koje stupaju na snagu večeras u ponoć u Bugarskoj u kojoj je zabeležen veliki skok broja zaraženih i preminulih, objavila je agencija BTA.


    Sve obrazovne ustanove prelaze na nastavu na daljinu.


    Barovi i restorani zatvaraju se i jedino mogu da pripremaju obroke za dostavu.


    Zatvaraju se trgovački centri, a radiće jedino supermarketi, prodavnice hrane, banke i prodavnice za kućne ljubimce, a osobe starije od 65 godina moći će da kupuju u supermarketima ujutro od 8.30 do 10.30.


    Sve sportske aktivnosti zabranjuju se mlađim od 18 godina, a sportska takmičenja za odrasle biće održana bez prisustva publike.


    Od kulturnih ustanova jedino će ostati otovrena pozorišta koja mogu da rade s 30 odsto kapaciteta.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:31 pm

    Pri tom imaju skoro duplo manje na 100k stanovnika od SRB/HR
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    Post by kondo Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:43 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Pri tom imaju skoro duplo manje na 100k stanovnika od SRB/HR


    Nemaju, ložiš se bezveze. Testiraju mnogo manje od nas, 2-3x manje (kad sam poslednji put gledao), haos je odavno grđi nego u Srbiji, imali su dane sa po 150 mrtvih a redovno šibaju preko 100....

    Tamo gde smo mi sada oni su bili pre jedno 3 nedelje, tako da ćemo i mi ovako uskoro.

    Danas su testirali oko 9,000 a imaju 151 mrtvog.

    Bugari su jedina država u Evropi koja je po difoltu gora od nas.


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    Post by bemty Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:48 pm

    meni je jedna drugarica zaglavila u bolnici poslednjih nedelja, bila je cak u zivotno ugrozenoj kategoriji jedno vreme. ipak se oporavlja, odnosno pocinje da se oporavlja a koliko ce trajati videcemo. a drugi drug isto u bolnici, obostrano zapaljenje pluca, jos uvek cekamo da cujemo da li ide na bolje. oboje kasne tridesete / rane cetrdesete. beograd.


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    Post by ficfiric Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:51 pm

    Ja jos ne mogu da svarim cinjenicu da onaj imbecil prica kako zarazen ide napolje ali samo posle ponoci, zato sto pazi na druge. Klip trenutno ima 11K pregleda a jos ga nisu smestili u ludaru


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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:57 pm

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:
    Bugari su jedina država u Evropi koja je po difoltu gora od nas.


    Ah, samo oni?




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    Post by kondo Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:20 am

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:23 am

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:Pri tom imaju skoro duplo manje na 100k stanovnika od SRB/HR


    Nemaju, ložiš se bezveze. Testiraju mnogo manje od nas, 2-3x manje (kad sam poslednji put gledao), haos je odavno grđi nego u Srbiji, imali su dane sa po 150 mrtvih a redovno šibaju preko 100....

    Tamo gde smo mi sada oni su bili pre jedno 3 nedelje, tako da ćemo i mi ovako uskoro.

    Danas su testirali oko 9,000 a imaju 151 mrtvog.

    Bugari su jedina država u Evropi koja je po difoltu gora od nas.
     Znaci mi cemo zakljucavanje taman na Sv.Nikolu, oba Bozica i NG
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:26 am

    Nisam davno išao, jesu li oni okitili Knez Mihajlovu?


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:27 am

    ZaKitili su sve ostalo tako da su vrv i Knez.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:31 am

    PItam zato što je, po Pusijevom ličnom priznanju, jedna od glavnih motivacija kićenja povećana cirkulacija i šoping.


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    Post by kondo Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:43 am

    Periferija centra je okicena, Skupstina u klasicnom Adams Family fazonu, Slavija, Tašmajdan


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    Post by kapetanm Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:18 am

    Sve je okiceno. Vozio sam unuku neko veče da gleda grad. Iz kola
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:17 am

    Steins tamo:

    Pa bre jasno ti je kad sevne govno u ventilator onda svako gleda svoju guzicu.

    Nama su prilično pomogli, ali džaba. Doalzili i Kinezi i Talijani - mi onoliko falsifikovali stvarnost da nas pohvale. Kod Talijana upalilo, jer ga manje više boli patka, kod kineza nije - bio iskreno zgranut, toliko da su morali da otkazuju KZN da se ne bi čuo rant.

    Veliki skandal je izbio letos kad su Kinezi provalili da naši prodaju donirane maske preko lažnih preduzeća.

    Pa ovi naši na vlasti su ultimativne štetočine bre - one što su bili dovoljno glupi da se vrate iz inostranstva su najstrašnije ispalili, a one što su pozapošljavali na brzinu na kraju zajebali za lovu pošto je trebalo nekoliko meseci da se dogovore Ministarstvo Zdravlja i Ministarstvo za rad ko će da ih plati.

    Oni mučenici koji su šest meseci proveli u COVID centrima nisu dobili prebijenu kintu od obećanih stimulacija.

    Pare su počeli da dele polovinom oktobra kad nisu mogli nikog da navataju da se vrati u COVID.

    Sve što je Panić rekao potpisujem od reči do reči - trenutno u COVID centrima radi sve ono što može da se navata po hodnicima bolnica - od laboranata i rentgen tehničara do šalterskih službenica i baba sera.

    Medicinski radnici masovno ispadaju - sada je uvedeno pravilo da nema izolacije i samoizolacije za medicinske radnike do pojave simptoma kao i da nema kontrolnog testa za povratak - čim ti je bolje vraćaš se.



    I da vam kažem još nešto - mrtve nismo ni počeli da brojimo kako ćemo ih brojati za jedno 15 dana.



    I da - svi oni što se protive policijskom času neka pogledaju današnje slike iz šopinga. Nema boljeg razloga za uvodjenje.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:47 am

    ništa više dobro ne očekujem, samo se nadam da će se kad tad suditi članovima kriznog štaba i vlade
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:09 am

    Ova kriza ce ih, ultimately, kostati vlasti. Ne odmah, ne direktno, ali posledice ove krize ce biti ono sto ce ih, na kraju svih krajeva, kostati vlasti.
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    Post by boomer crook Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:16 am

    nisam siguran. oni su bili u stanju da najdirektnije udare na svoju penzionersku glasacku bazu i da gotovo sav teret krize prevale na njih kako se ne bi zamerali tajkunima (kojima su organizovali lazne progone i sudjenja). sada ce te iste ljude, penzionere, da pobiju nakon sto su ih opljackali.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:18 am

    Evo ih i ovi govnari

    https://www.danas.rs/ekonomija/najveci-broj-zarazenih-na-svetu-cena-najboljeg-bdp-a-u-evropi/

    Ne drugari, epidemija ove vrste je 1 u 100 godina. Nema onda "ekonomija" i "nema para", u tim slucajevima pucas iz svih orudja, prodajes sta imas i zaduzujes se gde stignes samo da se spase zivoti. Zasto se o "ekonomiji" ne razmislja kad ti, recimo, na primer, neka strana sila postavi ponizavajuci ultimatum? Zato sto postoje prosto vaznije stvari od "ekonomije". Ali cela fora, i najtuznija, je sto ne rade ovi ovo cak ni zbog "ekonomije". I to je najveca tuga.

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