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    Post by Guest Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:24 pm

    Only half the population of Britain definitely would accept being vaccinated against Covid-19. That is the shock conclusion of a group of scientists and pollsters who have found that only 53% of a test group of citizens said they would be certain or very likely to allow themselves to be given a vaccine against the disease if one becomes available.

    By contrast, one in six (16%) said they would definitely not or would be unlikely to accept a vaccine, according to research by King’s College London and Ipsos Mori. In addition, it was found that one in five (20%) said they would only be “fairly likely” to go ahead with inoculation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/only-half-of-britons-would-definitely-have-covid-19-vaccination

    Kad sam kod UK:

    UK to plunge into deepest slump on record with worst GDP drop of G7


    Britain’s economy will be officially declared in recession this week for the first time since the 2008 financial crisis, as the coronavirus outbreak plunges the country into the deepest slump on record.

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics on Wednesday are expected to show that gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic prosperity, fell in the three months to June by 21%.
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    The slump in Britain is expected to be the biggest quarterly drop of any G7 economy due to the later launch of lockdown controls and the slower removal of harsh restrictions.

    The Bank of England said last week that the economic fallout from the pandemic could be less severe than initially feared, despite sounding the alarm that the bounce-back would take longer. It also warned that lasting damage will be caused, including a sharp rise in unemployment.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/09/uk-to-fall-into-deepest-slump-on-record-with-worst-fall-in-gdp-among-g7
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:23 am

    Sudeći po medijima, ponovo smo pobedili koronu, ovog puta pod pritiskom roditelja sa viber grupa. Razumem ja sve ali koja je razlika da li će deca ići online u školu od 1. septembra ili od 15. oktobra, kada obična nastava postane nemoguća?

    Smeši nam se vrlo neobična jesen.
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:09 am

    ja mislim da ce ipak verovatno ostaviti roditeljima koji to mogu da izguraju opciju da deca idu u skolu online od pocetka.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by boomer crook Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:11 am

    samo da se razumemo, uz mogucnost da zvucim kao privilegovani skot ili tako nesto i uz puno razumevanje da ima puno roditelja koji negde moraju sa detetom, u mom neposrednom okruzenju ih ima jedno troje koji rade od kuce ali im se koza dize na glavi od juniorovih eskapada u karantinu i sada zele da ga liferuju skoli i meni je to uzasno sebicno.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 am

    boomer crook wrote:samo da se razumemo, uz mogucnost da zvucim kao privilegovani skot ili tako nesto i uz puno razumevanje da ima puno roditelja koji negde moraju sa detetom, u mom neposrednom okruzenju ih ima jedno troje koji rade od kuce ali im se koza dize na glavi od juniorovih eskapada u karantinu i sada zele da ga liferuju skoli i meni je to uzasno sebicno.

    plus jedan. kažu teško je. PA DA, TEŠKO JE, TO JE JEBENA POENTA PANDEMIJE, DA BUDE TEŠKO. 
    što je najgore to je iracionalno ponašanje i odlaganje neizbežnog. ali ako nas je ovo čudo nečem naučilo to je da je razum jako precenjen.
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    Post by паће Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:32 am

    Па боље што касније, касније је још теже.


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    Post by kondo Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:12 pm

    heh danas smo osetno pali ispod grčke

    koja srbima ne da da uđu

    jebo ti pas mater mitsotakisu


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by bela maca Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:16 pm

    ako veruješ zvaničnim podacima


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    most of us probably not getting better
    but not getting better together
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:27 pm

    Gradska Bolnica na Zvezdari pobedila koronu. Jos da liferuju koronase iz urgentnog i vracaju se na redovno stanje.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by rumbeando Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:28 pm

    6. jula je broj zaraženih građana Srbije koji je hteo da uđe u Grčku bio 20 (link), a broj registrovanih zaraženih u Srbiji 289 (link).

    Zaključak je da je tog dana u Grčku nahrupilo reda veličine pola miliona građana Srbije ili pak da nečija statistika nema veze s mozgom.
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    Post by Margit Savović Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:35 pm

    Koliko ljudi je krenulo za Grčku tog 6. jula?
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:16 pm

    boomer crook wrote:samo da se razumemo, uz mogucnost da zvucim kao privilegovani skot ili tako nesto i uz puno razumevanje da ima puno roditelja koji negde moraju sa detetom, u mom neposrednom okruzenju ih ima jedno troje koji rade od kuce ali im se koza dize na glavi od juniorovih eskapada u karantinu i sada zele da ga liferuju skoli i meni je to uzasno sebicno.
    Хе, променила се дефиниција родитељства, од тренутка када си свечано одлучио да свету поклониш сопствено потомство до часа када ти мали неподношљиви дрекавци потпуно униште сваки траг онога што си сматрао својим животом... како се то већ увек и сваком и неизоставно деси, само што се овог пута десило свима и одједном.

    Само зато и отварају школе. И овде код мене. До сада су радили све по књизи, савршено, а сада ће начисто да ујебу ствар..
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    Post by rumbeando Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:39 pm

    For a world crippled by the coronavirus, salvation hinges on a vaccine.

    But in the United States, where at least 4.6 million people have been infected and nearly 155,000 have died, the promise of that vaccine is hampered by a vexing epidemic that long preceded COVID-19: obesity.

    Scientists know that vaccines engineered to protect the public from influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus and rabies can be less effective in obese adults than in the general population, leaving them more vulnerable to infection and illness. There is little reason to believe, obesity researchers say, that COVID-19 vaccines will be any different.

    “Will we have a COVID vaccine next year tailored to the obese? No way,” said Raz Shaikh, an associate professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

    “Will it still work in the obese? Our prediction is no.”

    More than 107 million American adults are obese, and their ability to return safely to work, care for their families and resume daily life could be curtailed if the coronavirus vaccine delivers weak immunity for them.
    https://khn.org/news/americas-obesity-epidemic-threatens-effectiveness-of-any-covid-vaccine
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    Post by disident Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:47 pm

    e do kurca


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    Jedini proleter Burundija
    Pristalica krvne osvete
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    Post by rumbeando Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:53 pm

    Da ne bude zabune oko terminologije:

    Gojaznost (obesity) je ITM veći od 30 (za visinu od 180 cm to odgovara težini od 97 kg).

    Prekomerna težina (overweight) je ITM između 25 i 30 (između 81 i 97 kg za 180 cm visine).
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:01 pm

    znači ko ima 29.9 je kul, a ko ima 30 to e to
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    Post by rumbeando Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:11 pm

    People around the world are eagerly waiting for a vaccine for the COVID-19 disease that has killed over 700,000 and infected more than 19.3 million. While the price of the vaccine has been a cause for concern considering its high demand, the world's largest vaccine manufacturer (by volume) wants to make the vaccine affordable, at just $3 so that it doesn't cut a hole in the pocket and could potentially end the pandemic.

    The Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII), which produces about 1.3 billion vaccine doses annually, has proposed INR 225 or around $3 cap for the upcoming Coronavirus vaccine for India and lower-and middle-income countries (LMICs). The SII has received exclusive rights to supply the vaccine candidates in India that are being developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca and the U.S. drug manufacturer Novavax.
    https://www.ibtimes.sg/worlds-largest-vaccine-manufacturer-wants-cap-coronavirus-vaccine-price-3-49738
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:46 pm

    an associate professor of nutrition 

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    Post by rumbeando Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:10 pm

    The weight of obesity on the human immune response to vaccination

    Scott D. Painter, Inna G. Ovsyannikova, and Gregory A. Poland
    Mayo Clinic Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN 55905, USA

    Published in final edited form as:
    Vaccine. 2015 Aug 26; 33(36): 4422–4429.

    Obesity is a serious global problem, and the suboptimal vaccine-induced immune responses observed in the obese population cannot be ignored. While we continue to seek strategies that reduce diet-induced obesity, the obese population remains at higher risk for vaccine-preventable illnesses.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547886/
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:12 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    For a world crippled by the coronavirus, salvation hinges on a vaccine.

    But in the United States, where at least 4.6 million people have been infected and nearly 155,000 have died, the promise of that vaccine is hampered by a vexing epidemic that long preceded COVID-19: obesity.

    Scientists know that vaccines engineered to protect the public from influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus and rabies can be less effective in obese adults than in the general population, leaving them more vulnerable to infection and illness. There is little reason to believe, obesity researchers say, that COVID-19 vaccines will be any different.

    “Will we have a COVID vaccine next year tailored to the obese? No way,” said Raz Shaikh, an associate professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

    “Will it still work in the obese? Our prediction is no.”

    More than 107 million American adults are obese, and their ability to return safely to work, care for their families and resume daily life could be curtailed if the coronavirus vaccine delivers weak immunity for them.
    https://khn.org/news/americas-obesity-epidemic-threatens-effectiveness-of-any-covid-vaccine
    Ma daj. Svake godine u jesen ista prica "aj se vakcinisite zbog poradi gripa ne mora kod doktora moze u bilo kojoj farmaciji bez cekanja" i nikad nije bila prica da vakcina ne radi posao debelima. Kenja taj lik za sve pare.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:16 pm

    ne kenja, postoje razlike kako će koji % koje grupe da reaguje

    sa druge strane, potpuno je besmislena priča o ovoj temi, na ovom nivou

    da, zdravije je biti mršav, osim u izdvojenim slučajevima

    vau
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:17 pm

    Nije bila priča jer je to dosta nova tema. Pročitaj ovaj rad gore. Daleko od toga da je ovo ispitano do kraja, ali koliko vidim ovi nalazi pozivaju na oprez i dalje istraživanje.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:17 pm

    Ne, ok, obisiti je faktor kod Corone, no prob. Ali kod vakcine...videcemo.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:18 pm

    a na kraju - i jeste nebitno, što kaže Talason. treba da se vakciniše svako ko može, i bolje je ne biti debo nego biti debo, ne treba nam mnogo nauke da to shvatimo, a ako nas se vakciniše dovoljno, biće zaštićeni i oni imunokompromitovani.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:20 pm

    Vasa wrote:Nije bila priča jer je to dosta nova tema. Pročitaj ovaj rad gore. Daleko od toga da je ovo ispitano do kraja, ali koliko vidim ovi nalazi pozivaju na oprez i dalje istraživanje.

    nije toliko nova tema, ključno u članku je u delu gde kaže:

    Further research on such physical factors, in addition to genetic, endocrine, and immunological factors, is needed.

    što znači, da postoji nešto što je potrebno blokirati da bi vakcine bile delotvornije, a da je to nešto učestalije kod debelih

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