Virus

Talason wrote:верујем да навијаш за графичар

ficfiric wrote:Evo, i u slucaju preminulog iz Sapca, radi se o lapsusu

Preminuo sa koronom, a ne od korone

Povodom smrtnog slučaja koji se pre dva dana dogodio u Šapcu, a koji je doveden u vezu sa koronavirusom, danas se oglasila epidemiolog Zavoda za javno zdravlje prim. dr Dragana Radojičić. Prema njenim rečima, rezultati su pokazali da je preminuli bio zaražen koronavirusom, ali zbog niza drugih bolesti od kojih je bolovao, virus se ne može smatrati uzrokom smrti.

-U Šapcu je potvrđen prvi slučaj koronavirusa. Pacijent je u svojoj sluzokoži imao virus Covid 19. Osoba je, nažalost, preminula, ali se sve to toliko brzo desilo da je izolacija potvrđena posle smrtnog ishoda, a pacijent je imao samo dva dana blaže tegobe. Imao je jako veliki broj bolesti o kojima nije vodio računa: dijabet, gojaznost, hipertenzija, astma. Tako da ovo ne podvodimo pod slučaj da je osoba izgubila život zbog Covid 19. Epidemiološkim istraživanjem utvrđujemo ko treba da bude u izolaciji. Dosadašnja iskustva kažu da je osoba infektivna dva dana pre nego što se pojave prvi simptomi. Obzirom da su se prvi simptomi pojavili 23. marta mi smo uzeli kontakte od 20. marta, i od tog momenta vršimo samoizolaciju u trajanju od 14 dana. To podrazumeva da je sa nekim bio u bliskom kontaktu duže od 15 minuta, u zatvorenom prostoru, a ne neko ko je prošao pored njega - rekla je epidemiolog Zavoda za javno zdravlje prim. dr Dragana Radojičić.

Svi ostali uzorci koje je Zavod za javno zdravlje Šabac posalo na testiranje negativni su.

Da podsetim, zalio se na probleme sa plucima, vracen je na kucno lecenje. Nakon sto se stanje pogorsalo, primili su ga u bolnicu gde je umro

disident wrote:Jel ovo fejk njuz?
https://mondo.rs/Info/Svet/a1302553/Koronavirus-u-Americi-uputstvo-medicinskim-radnicima-za-ljude-s-posebnim-potrebama.html?fbclid=IwAR3q0E1BtB0MnbiyaIFQ8dZQ7BdjZ40ymlCrMC6_I1vlegQxT_Z0Fk2jnzA

Erzsebet Palatinus wrote:nisam napisao da se statistika frizira u smeru povecavanja cifara na nivou srbije, nemam za to dokaze. napisao sam da su u cupriji frizirani podaci tj prikazano vise zarazenih nego sto je potvrdjeno testovima. iz izvora u susednom gradu mi je skrenuta paznja da je broj poznatih ljudi kojima je potvrdjen pozitivan nalaz a koji se lece kod kuce daleko veci od zvanicnog, sto znaci da neka za sada cudna igra na delu, mislim da je strugacki nesto natuknuo o tome. na kraju krajeva, sa ovom za sada skrbavom i bangavom metodologijom testiranja, mislim da smo najblizi zakljucku da treba da se iskljucimo iz pracenja brojeva, sem ako rumbeando nema nesto da nam kaze u grafičkoj formi. 

Opinion

It’s Too Late to Avoid Disaster, but There Are Still Things We Can Do

Our leaders need to speak some hard truths and then develop a strategy to prevent the worst.

By Michael T. Osterholm and Mark Olshaker

Dr. Osterholm is an infectious-disease expert. Mr. Olshaker is a writer and documentary filmmaker.

March 27, 2020

Of all the resources lacking in the Covid-19 pandemic, the one most desperately needed in the United States is a unified national strategy, as well as the confident, coherent and consistent leadership to see it carried out. The country cannot go from one mixed-message news briefing to the next, and from tweet to tweet, to define policy priorities. It needs a science-based plan that looks to the future rather than merely reacting to latest turn in the crisis.

Let’s get one thing straight: From an epidemiological perspective, the current debate, which pits human life against long-term economics, presents a false choice. Just as a return to even a new normal is unthinkable for the foreseeable future — and well past Easter, Mr. Trump — a complete shutdown and shelter-in-place strategy cannot last for months. There are just too many essential workers in our intertwined lives beyond the health care field — sanitation workers; grocery clerks, and food handlers, preparers and deliverers; elevator mechanics; postal workers — who must be out and about if society is to continue to function.

A middle-ground approach is the only realistic one — and defining what that looks like means doing our best to keep all such workers safe. It also means leadership. Above all, it means being realistic about what is possible and what is not, and communicating that clearly to the American public.

When leaders tell the truth about even near-desperate situations, when they lay out a clear and understandable vision, the public might remain frightened, but it will act rationally and actively participate in the preservation of its safety and security.

Our leaders need to begin by stating a number of hard truths about our situation. The first is that no matter what we do at this stage, numerous hospitals in the United States will be overrun. Many people, including health care workers, will get sick and some will die. And the economy will tank. It’s too late to change any of this now.

In three to four weeks, there will be a major shortage of chemical reagents for coronavirus testing, the result of limited production capacity, compounded by the collapse of global supply chains when the epidemic closed down manufacturing in China for weeks.

The second hard truth is that at this stage, any public health response that counts on widespread testing in the United States is doomed to fail. No one planned on the whole world experiencing a health conflagration of this magnitude at once, with the need to test many millions of people at the same time. Political leaders and talking heads should stop proffering the widespread-testing option; it simply won’t be available.

Much better, instead, to immediately gear up for epidemic intelligence, based on techniques used for many decades. Among those is so-called illness surveillance, in which epidemiologists survey a sample of doctors’ offices in a given geographic region each day to learn how many patients sought care for illnesses with symptoms of fever, cough and muscle aches. The increasing or decreasing occurrence of patients with these symptoms provides a reliable estimate of influenza activity during the winter months — or now, the incidence of Covid-19.

A third hard truth is that shortages of personal protective equipment — particularly N-95 masks — for health care workers will only get worse in the United States as global need continues to rise precipitously. There is no point holding out the false hope that the Defense Production Act will save the residents of the United States. Not enough manufacturing activities can be converted to produce masks in a matter of weeks. You can’t turn engine-making machinery into an N-95 respirator assembly line just because you want to.

For example, even as 3M was producing at 100 percent of its capacity (35 million N-95 masks a month), a single hospital in New York City used up more than two million masks in February, before the surge in Covid-19 cases there. And new production won’t happen for many months.

If you can’t make nearly enough masks to meet the need, then you must conserve the masks you can make. Unfortunately, some hospitals in the United States are not employing science-based methods for conserving these invaluable lifesaving masks.

Making ventilators — machines that breathe for patients who cannot effectively do so on their own — poses an even more formidable challenge. For example, a Medtronic ventilator has about 1,500 parts, supplied by 14 separate countries. More machines might, at best, be manufactured by the hundreds a month — but not by the thousands, as is needed right now.

It is precisely in the face of such hard truths that a national strategy and leadership are crucial. Otherwise, hospitals, governors and politicians will only vie against one another in the reasonable service of their own constituencies.

“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump said on a recent conference call with governors. “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

This is exactly the wrong message. The White House must take charge, keeping track of national inventory, purchasing the precious resources and distributing them where they are most needed at the moment. As Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, has suggested, ventilators could then be redistributed as outbreak hot spots shift around the country.

More than anything, what the United States needs right now is for the president to undertake an intellectual Manhattan Project: gather the best minds in public health, medicine, medical ethics, catastrophe preparedness and response; political leadership; and private-sector manufacturing and the pharmaceutical industry.

It took nearly three years to develop the atomic bomb. The effort against Covid-19 will need to be bear fruit within days — and come up with a comprehensive but realistic blueprint for getting America through the next 12 to 18 months, or however long it takes for a vaccine to become widely available or herd immunity to take hold in the population. Once a plan has been devised, the president will have to dispense with any happy talk and instead actually convey what the experts are telling him. He will have to define the new normal for a frightened nation that is looking for facts, direction and a common purpose.

Michael T. Osterholm is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. Mark Olshaker is a writer and documentary filmmaker. They are the authors of “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs.”

kapetanm wrote:Ne razumem to za ćupriju - sta je poenta, da navode v3ći broj od stvarnog ili manji i sta sa susednim gradom.
Brojke mogu varati. Ćuprijski medicinski centar je nadležan za Paraćin (5 km max) i Jagodinu (10ak km). Pretpostavljam da kad se kaže u Ćupriji misli se na sve zatečene u tom mcentru a da lokalci broje samo svoje, vec uracunate. Bas cu sutra da zovem, imam neposredne izvore tamo.

Erős Pista wrote:

Idukurac.

Et zvezda

Jel ovo uopste stvarno?

Et fica

disident wrote:Jel ovo fejk njuz?
https://mondo.rs/Info/Svet/a1302553/Koronavirus-u-Americi-uputstvo-medicinskim-radnicima-za-ljude-s-posebnim-potrebama.html?fbclid=IwAR3q0E1BtB0MnbiyaIFQ8dZQ7BdjZ40ymlCrMC6_I1vlegQxT_Z0Fk2jnzA

Talason wrote:Није до болести, него до здравствених система.

Erzsebet Palatinus wrote:nisam napisao da se statistika frizira u smeru povecavanja cifara na nivou srbije, nemam za to dokaze. napisao sam da su u cupriji frizirani podaci tj prikazano vise zarazenih nego sto je potvrdjeno testovima. iz izvora u susednom gradu mi je skrenuta paznja da je broj poznatih ljudi kojima je potvrdjen pozitivan nalaz a koji se lece kod kuce daleko veci od zvanicnog, sto znaci da neka za sada cudna igra na delu, mislim da je strugacki nesto natuknuo o tome. na kraju krajeva, sa ovom za sada skrbavom i bangavom metodologijom testiranja, mislim da smo najblizi zakljucku da treba da se iskljucimo iz pracenja brojeva, sem ako rumbeando nema nesto da nam kaze u grafičkoj formi. 

ukratko, ja ovima ništa ne verujem i to je sve. još uvek ne znam kako da se postavim prema svemu sem što ću prvi dan relaksacije granica iskoristi da zapalim iz srbije. trenutno me ništa drugo ne zanima,

btw, vozeći bajk i potpuno nesvestan situacije, ušao sam na sajam na glavni automobilski ulaz iz bul. vojvode putnika. nigde kontrole, ničega. došao na bajku do ulaza u halu 1, grupica nekih ženica sa kesicama u rukama, zarozane maske, upravo izašle. verovatno neke higijeničarke i sestre. bukvalno obezbeđenje nula, mogao sam sa bajkom da uđem u halu, ali nisam. pored hale montiraju neku besnu antenu za mobilnu telefoniju, kapiram da je 5G.

ovi retardi u mojoj ulici tapšu, ako me nema uhapšen sam, toliko pizdim da sam se drao dok sam imao daha vučiću pederu. prvi put u životu.