Svetski Rat K(orona)

Bendegúz Somogyi wrote:

Halászlé wrote:

To je test koji traje više sati, traži sofisticiranu PCR tehnologiju i obučeno osoblje. Ne košta test 10 dolara, u njega ulazi kompletno ulaganje u školovanje biohemičara i kompletno ulaganje u opremu i infrastrukturu.

Pa to je ono: prva pilula košta 100 miliona evra, druga, treća, peta... koštaju po evrocent.

Mór Thököly wrote:Samo nesto da vam kazem za tu Kinu, oni su do sada vise pomogli bar pet, averovatno i vise zemalja nego nama/nas. Te price da cemo postati kineska provincija zaboravite jednostavno. Nama je problem kad nam Kosovo zabrsni da izvozimo tamo, a mozete li da zamislite kada bi se problemi pojavili sa npr Nemackom? Ili mozda mislite da se cvrst geopoliticki savez moze odrzavati avionskim saobracajem? Bugari ce mozda eventualno slucajno da puste 1 Ruse da nam nesto dostave sto "ne treba", Kineze nece nikad. Suplja prica nacisto.

Сотир wrote:    Паће, спаваш на дежурству кад си најпотребнији.

Janko Suvar wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Számo neszto da vam kázsem za tu Kinű, oni sú do sada viszé pomogli bár pét, nemverovatno i visszé zemálya nego nama/nász. Te pricé da csemo postati kinészka provincija zaborávite jednostávno. Nama je problém kad nam Kosovo zabráni da izvozimo támo, a mozsete li da zámislite kada bi se problémi pojavili sa npr Nemacskom? Ili mozda miszlite da se cvrst geopoliticki szávez moze odrzávati avionskim szaobratyájém? Bűgari cse mozsda eventuálno slucajno da puszté 1 Russzé da nam nesto dostáve sto "ne treba", Kinéze nece nikad. Suplja prica nacsistó.

pet puta sam citao ovaj post i razmisljam sto mu rekao da je nacista, a skroz normalna razmena i to oko neceg gde se ne moze dokazati ko je u pravu

Like Previous Pandemics, COVID-19 Will Shape the Fates of Nations
By Richard Heinberg, originally published by Resilience.org

• March 24, 2020
  

For the last couple of weeks, I’ve been delving back into one of my favorite books, “Plagues and Peoples,” by the celebrated historian William H. McNeill. Its relevance to today’s headlines is fairly obvious. What makes the book so compelling is McNeill’s ecological sensibility: He understands human beings as biological organisms embedded in living systems. For him, conquerors like Genghis Khan are macropredators, disease organisms are micropredators, and human history is the tale of how both have shaped population levels and relative degrees of social power.

In his discussion of the role of diseases in the political developments of 18th-century Europe, McNeill makes this remarkable observation:

[T]he rise of Great Britain in comparison with France in the course of the eighteenth century depended, among other things, on the remarkable population growth that set in earlier and continued longer in Britain than in France. Political institutions, the distribution of coal and iron ore, social structures, values, and individual inventiveness all played a role in defining the over-all result: but in light of what can now be said about the retreat of plague, malaria, and other infectious diseases from the English countryside, together with England’s head start in the deliberate control of smallpox, it seems clear enough that divergent disease experiences in the two countries had much to do with their divergent population histories.

McNeill goes on to cite England’s successful management of infectious disease as one of the critical developments of 18th century history, fostering the rise of the British Empire and thereby reshaping the world order, from the Americas to Asia. He also attributes the rise of “enlightened” philosophical and social world views during this period at least partly to the development of scientific methods of disease suppression.

All of which leads me to contemplate the current coronavirus pandemic in the context of history, and to propose a simple thesis: The ways that nations respond to the pandemic today will largely determine their fortunes and fates over the next couple of decades at least, and perhaps beyond. Nations that are more successful at controlling the disease and minimizing fatalities will enjoy more social cohesion, while those that delay active measures to control its spread will see greater social stress, and a crippling of public faith in leaders and institutions.

Of course, nations that already enjoy high levels of social cohesion and sound leadership are better positioned to successfully contain the pandemic. Thus, the coronavirus may end up simply being a magnifier of trends already in progress. If it is true, as some have argued, that the United States is an empire in decline, the virus may simply speed up the erosion of its global influence. And if some Asian nations seem destined for a more prominent place in international politics and commerce, the pandemic could propel them to that position even faster.

As for economic impacts, there may be no way to avoid extreme and enduring damage to markets and supply chains. Delaying containment measures in order to maintain business as usual would likely lead to overwhelmed health care systems and, in turn, higher death rates. Fear of contagion would then likely cause disruptions of trade and commerce at least as severe as those triggered by the proactive lockdown measures that have already been enacted in some of the countries furthest along in the pandemic cycle — notably China, whose economic activity seems to have shrunk remarkably in the past two months. One way or another, we seem to be in for a global depression. But, as with the pandemic, the ability of nations to weather hard economic times may depend largely on factors of leadership and social cohesion.

It’s already apparent that clear government messaging, widespread testing, and early lockdowns in countries like Taiwan have worked to curtail the outbreak and foster widespread compliance with government recommendations. Compare this with President Trump’s sometimes dismissive and often counterfactual comments about the pandemic, the U.S. government’s failure to roll out a robust testing program, and its lagging effort at containment. Of course, U.S. politics were already highly polarized, thus complicating the task of coordinating a coherent large-scale response by local, state, and federal governments. But crucial missteps early in the cycle may eventually lead to even more divisiveness, as the economic and social tensions resulting from mounting casualties and months of lockdown erode the patience of a restive public.

Boris Johnson’s recent, now countermanded strategy of allowing the virus to spread in U.K. so as to develop “herd immunity” contrasts strongly with his nation’s historic successes in minimizing disease three centuries ago. While inoculation against smallpox began as a folk remedy in Arabia, North Africa, Persia, and India sometime in the distant past, Mary Wortley Montagu’s introduction of the practice to England — after witnessing it in Turkey in 1717 — led to its general adoption throughout Europe. In that instance, efforts in Britain to control disease resulted not just in the saving of lives, but in enhanced general trust in the nascent scientific method. In contrast, Johnson’s zigzagging coronavirus messaging has thus far sown only confusion.

We shall see. Trends are still developing, we’re still early in the pandemic cycle, and there is still time for strategies to shift. In any case, the events that are unfolding now will likely prove to be historically decisive.

Rozita wrote:https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/igor-rudan-prvi-put-donosi-sve-mjere-kojim-su-kinezi-pobijedili-koronavirus-svakako-ih-procitajte-1386663

"Možda su još bolji primjer upale pluća siromašne djece u svijetu, koje su uglavnom uzrokovane pneumokokom, hemofilusom tipa B, respiracijskim sincicijskim virusom i virusom influence. One i dalje odnose milijun dječjih života godišnje. To je 2,739 smrti siromašne djece svijeta svakoga dana, sasvim nevidljivih i nepoznatih javnosti, a zbog istog medicinskog uzroka kojime nam sada prijeti COVID-19. Zapad sada odlučuje: hoće li COVID-19 suzbiti disciplinom i strogom karantenom, kao Kinezi, ili će ga pretvoriti u "puzajuću epidemiju", pa mjesecima živjeti u blažim karantenama dok se na COVID-19 ljudi jednostavno ne naviknu, te ga se prestanu toliko bojati?"

2,739 smrti siromašne djece svijeta svakoga dana


Uz hiljadu puta manje suza nego za 500-600 talijanskih i ostalih evroameričkih deda i baba svakodnevno u dve-tri nedelje jednom u sto godina.

vortex wrote:

lalinea wrote:

inace, osvrt na ove postove sto insistiraju da je ovo samo kao sezonski grip i da ce na kraju godine bilans smrti biti isti - kako je moguce da se uporno zaboravlja kontekst sezonskog gripa i ovog novog virusa? vecina rizicne populacije koja sad umire od korone se vakcinise protiv sezonskog gripa plus ogromna otpornost vec prisutna u populaciji. dok ovaj virus nailazi na potpuno neimunu populaciju.

Baci pogled na ovo istrazivanje:

Sezonski grip u Italiji


Italija je zemlja u kojoj i inace ima vise slucajeva gripa nego u drugim evropskim zemljama. Za 4 sezone gripa u Italiji umrlo je vise od 68 hiljada ljudi. To je 17 hiljada godisnje. Sami racunajte koliko je dnevno umiralo od posledice epidemije gripa.  

Procenjuje se da je samo u sezoni 2016./17 umrlo vise od 25 hiljada mahom starijih Italijana. Da li su ti ljudi dobili svoj deo u izvestavanju domacih i svetskih medija? Nisu, pa je drugo pitanje da li je zivot koji je neko izgubio zbog epidemije gripa manje vredan od zivota koji neko izgubi zbog epidemije koronavirusa?

Zasto nije bilo mera da se zastiti vise od 25 hiljada ljudi koji su umrli zato sto su se zarazili sezonskim gripom? Zasto nije podizana svest o vaznosti izolacije u zimskim mesecima?

Kako samoproglaseni humanisti vole da se igraju sa brojkama pa je 500 umrlih od obicnog gripa nista, a 600 umrlih od koronavirusa/izmedju ostalog zbog koronavirusa tragican dogadjaj koji treba da se pusta sebicnjacima koji bi da ispijaju limunade u kaficima?

Najpostenije pise Kinder Lad.   Nema ovde ni govora o humanosti, nego su zdrastveni sistemi u rasulu i zato je ovo problem. Kad pricamo o Srbiji i tu je slicno, moji najblizi su umrli zbog nebrige zdrastvenog sistema, ali kada to sad pocne da se dogadja bice to tragedija kakva nije vidjena.

Svaki izgubljen zivot je tragedija, ali je najveca tragedija sto je zdrastvo ovakvo kakvo je i sto nikoga nije briga.

Sotir wrote:Начишто?

lalinea wrote:
kukanje oko dece koja umiru od gladi vam ne stoji dobro. gde je to kukanje kad nema pandemije i kad se upire prstom u glavni uzrok toga (ovaj poredak koji sad toliko zustro branite).

lalinea wrote:
kukanje oko dece koja umiru od gladi vam ne stoji dobro. gde je to kukanje kad nema pandemije i kad se upire prstom u glavni uzrok toga (ovaj poredak koji sad toliko zustro branite).

Rozita wrote:

lalinea wrote:
kukanje oko dece koja umiru od gladi vam ne stoji dobro. gde je to kukanje kad nema pandemije i kad se upire prstom u glavni uzrok toga (ovaj poredak koji sad toliko zustro branite).

Izgleda da nisam skapirala da je strastveno podržavanje radikalnih mera protiv korone uključujući kršenje ustava i policijski čas zapravo borba za socijalizam i pravedniji globalni poredak...