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    Margit Savović

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    Post by Margit Savović 22.03.20 16:57

    Ja ovo necu kaciti na tviter da ne napravim paniku kod ljudi, ali nasa Republika vise ne moze da se zaduzi. Svega 4.41% realizacije u prodaji evro obveznica.

    [url=http://www.javnidug.gov.rs/upload/Statistika i rezultati aukcija/2020/18.03.2020/Rezultat aukcije 18.03.2020. srpski.pdf]http://www.javnidug.gov.rs/upload/Statistika%20i%20rezultati%20aukcija/2020/18.03.2020/Rezultat%20aukcije%2018.03.2020.%20srpski.pdf[/url]

    Ne radi mi link dobro. Ova poslednja aukcija iz 18. marta, pa rezultati: http://www.javnidug.gov.rs/default.asp?P=58&MenuItem=5

    Dobra stvar je sto je PDV bio 15.3. pa smo mirni do 15.4. Korona i pare - Page 15 1143415371 A posle, pa sad, ko jebe puteve i kapitalne investicije.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 17:05

    Apsolutno, jbg Drugo, ima nekog zlata, ima negde nekih deviznih rezervi. Verujem i da ce se naci nacina da se od nekog pozajme pare. Srbija ce morati i da makar malo stampa novac. I Srbija ce najdalje za dva meseca morati da prekine lockdown inace ce se sve raspasti u totalu.
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    Post by Guest 22.03.20 17:27

    Neka me Mau ispravi, jedna od stvari koju treba očekivati je osetniji pad dinara u odnosu na evro u nekom trenutku.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 17:31

    dok ne kaze struka Korona i pare - Page 15 1233199462 - mislim da je to sigurno. da bude 150 i da pevamo

    mislim i da nece dozvoliti da ode na tipa 250-300 jer bi to unistilo sve (mada, dugorocno bi mozda bilo i ok, ali ne verujem da neko tako razmislja)
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 17:37

    U stvari ono sto ce sad doci do izrazaja je sarlatanstvo. Kad sve ide po autopilotu svako ili skoro svako moze da glumi strucnjaka i eksperta. Kad dodje pravi problem i kriza tad ce se videti na sta sve lici. A ovo ce biti problem king size.
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    Post by паће 22.03.20 17:41

    Да, оно кад тек на петом аеродрому приметиш да нема пилота... И само се чудиш како смо довде уопште стигли.


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    Post by Margit Savović 22.03.20 19:39

    Ne znam da li ce da oslabi dinar toliko. Znam da NBS od 1. januara ne objavljuje vise izvestaj o tome koliko je intervenisala na deviznom trzistu tog dana, sto vec 15 godina objavljuje tacno u minut svakog dana. 

    Ovo vam je samo indikator da se Vucicev sistem raspada. Oni su samo i jedino opstajali jasuci bull market u svetu. Ekonomski lom nisu preziveli ni Milosevic, ni Tadic. 

    Steta sto nam je opozicija slepacka.
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    Post by Guest 22.03.20 19:40

    Да, али овде немамо изолован инцидент. Велико је питање како ће се развијати и долар и евро.

    Ја не могу апсолутно ништа да прогнозирам.
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    Post by beatakeshi 22.03.20 19:45

    Ministar finansija mi uliva strah.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 19:50

    Talason wrote:Да, али овде немамо изолован инцидент. Велико је питање како ће се развијати и долар и евро.

    Ја не могу апсолутно ништа да прогнозирам.

    za sada bolje ide dolar cini mi se, ali to apsolutno nista ne znaci
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    Post by Јанош Винету 22.03.20 20:23

    Ја знам где добро иде - у Кини. Људи се од априла враћају на посао, ствари иду нормално, производња и трговина се обнавља.

    Кинеска берза је претрпела најмањи пад и то ће ускоро бити држава којој се верује.

    Не чуди ме да почну да нуде своје обвезнице и тамо где не треба.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 20:28

    Moze se verovati drzavi Kini do prekosutra ako trokira kupovna moc na celom Zapadu za 20%. Ne prave oni robu za Ugandu i Madagaskar.
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    Post by Nino Quincampoix 22.03.20 20:30

    Prave i za njih.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 20:31

    Ma ok, prave za sve, ali...
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    Post by kapetanm 22.03.20 20:39

    Ma ovo je takvo ludilo da verujem da ce biti potpuna demontaza svega i sklaoanje novog. A izgleda ne samo ovde. Verujem da Italije kakvu znamo nece biti - kod njih nema nameru da stane, tek se siri
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 20:42

    pa onako. povecanje slucajeva na dnevnom nivou u Italiji procentualno kanda malo jenjava ako se malo duzi rok uzme u obzir
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    Post by kapetanm 22.03.20 20:45

    KinderLad wrote:pa onako. povecanje slucajeva na dnevnom nivou u Italiji procentualno kanda malo jenjava ako se malo duzi rok uzme u obzir
    To je upitno - tamo vise nema ko da testira i prima niti da dolazi po kucama. Ko zna koliko ljudi boluje i crkava samo kuci
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 20:59

    da...ne znam.
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    Post by Guest 22.03.20 20:59

    https://www.ft.com/content/1056a4da-6acd-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

    Coronavirus risks calamity for the emerging world

    Support for poorer countries is not just a moral but a practical imperative

    THE EDITORIAL BOARD


    The world’s largest and richest economies are already reeling from coronavirus. For emerging markets, the threat is even more devastating — both in health and economic terms. The scale of dollar outflows from the emerging world is greater than during the 2008 financial crisis. The plunge in oil and commodity prices is squeezing incomes. The combination of such pressures with health systems that are unprepared to deal with a pandemic at the best of times creates a real risk of social implosion.

    When the global economy went into recession in 2008 it was accompanied by rocketing commodity prices. That provided a double blow, to the global economy generally and to those who lost jobs — leaving them facing both lower incomes and higher prices. It was, though, a boon for emerging markets that relied on selling raw materials to finance their overseas borrowing, helping them to weather the recession.

    This time emerging markets are suffering from the twin shocks of a dollar funding squeeze and a collapse in commodity prices. A scramble for the greenback, as corporate and financial borrowers try to obtain the currency they need to meet their liabilities, has driven down emerging market currencies. The Indian rupee and Mexican peso fell to their lowest levels against the dollar last week. South Korea’s won fell to an 11-year low.

    The collapse in commodity prices — copper hit a four-year low on Thursday — means emerging markets have fewer ways to get the foreign currency they need. The fall in mass tourism is also felt more keenly by poorer countries, particularly in parts of south-east Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean.

    After a decade of borrowing growth, both public and private, the developing world is exposed to a sudden “stop” in capital flows that is driving up borrowing costs for businesses and governments. Investors have already begun to dump emerging market bonds: the Institute of International Finance says about $80bn of funds have left EM stocks and bonds since January 21.

    Last week saw some positive steps. The Federal Reserve moved swiftly to broaden swap lines to boost US dollar funding markets that it had already set up with some rich-country central banks, to include large emerging markets such as Brazil, Mexico and Korea.

    The IMF has also promised to provide $1tn of loans to help its members deal with the pandemic, including $50bn for emerging markets and $10bn for low-income countries, at zero interest rates. The World Bank pledged a further $14bn in fast-track finance for companies and governments.

    The fund will, however, need to be ready to move fast to provide balance-of-payments support to the many countries likely to request it, potentially without sending missions. Support programmes must be designed so that they do not have the effect, even unintended, of limiting spending on health. Much of the money should be in grants; many emerging markets will not be able to handle additional loans in this situation without sizeable writedowns. Large IMF shareholders may need to be willing to take some risk on some of its capital.

    Supporting emerging markets is not just about the moral imperative of caring for the world’s poorer populations. For richer countries, it is also a matter of self-interest. Economic disaster that stokes pandemic in, say, India, Indonesia or sub-Saharan Africa could rebound on the developed world if travellers from those regions cause additional waves of infection. The chain of defence against coronavirus is only as strong as the weakest link. Investing to bolster weak links will be money very well spent.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 21:02

    Mau, koliko je realno da Srbija uvede evro onako kako ga je CG uvela na pocetku? Ne da ce ova vlast to ikada uraditi, nego me zanima cisto da je li je teoretski moguce sprovesti?
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    Post by Margit Savović 22.03.20 21:11

    Sto bismo se odricali monetarne politike? Ja to nikad ne bih uradila.

    Drugo, nisam sigurna ni da mozemo jer je nasa novcana masa puno veca od crnogorske da bismo tek tako povukli toliki silni stampani novac iz evrozone.


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    Post by Guest 22.03.20 21:12

    Realno, ko ima šta nek polako počne da menja dinare u evre.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 21:17

    Si cuo nesto ili onako, predvidjas Korona i pare - Page 15 1143415371
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj 22.03.20 21:18

    Mau wrote:Sto bismo se odricali monetarne politike? Ja to nikad ne bih uradila.

    Drugo, nisam sigurna ni da mozemo jer je nasa novcana masa puno veca od Crnogorske da bismo tek tako povukli toliki silni stampani novac iz evrozone.

    Ja se realno nikad ne bih odrekao ali cenim da ce u buducem periodu predvidljivost igrati ogromnu ulogu. 

    Tako da pitam da li postoji scenario u kojem bi tako nesto bilo moguce.
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    Post by Guest 22.03.20 21:27

    KinderLad wrote:Si cuo nesto ili onako, predvidjas Korona i pare - Page 15 1143415371

    Teško je videti da neće biti valutnog pritiska na dinar. Ne zaboravi koliko je RSD otklizao 2008-10, ovo sada izgleda kao big bang u najavi.

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