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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:12 pm

    Majk Dejvis:



    https://www.haymarketbooks.org/blogs/110-mike-davis-on-covid-19-the-monster-is-at-the-door


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    But universal coverage is only a first step.  It’s disappointing, to say the least, that in the primary debates neither Sanders or Warren has highlighted Big Pharma’s abdication of the research and development of new antibiotics and antivirals. Of the 18 largest pharmaceutical companies, 15 have totally abandoned the field. Heart medicines, addictive tranquilizers and treatments for male impotence are profit leaders, not the defenses against hospital infections, emergent diseases and traditional tropical killers.  A universal vaccine for influenza  – that is to say, a vaccine that targets the immutable parts of the virus’s surface proteins – has been a possibility for decades but never a profitable priority.

    As the antibiotic revolution is rolled back, old diseases will reappear alongside novel infections and hospitals will become charnel houses.  Even Trump can opportunistically rail against absurd prescription costs, but we need a bolder vision that looks to break up the drug monopolies and provide for the public production of lifeline medicines.  (This used to be the case:  during World War Two, the Army enlisted Jonas Salk and other researchers to develop the first flu vaccine.) As I wrote fifteen years ago in my book The Monster at Our Door – The Global Threat of Avian Flu:

    Access to lifeline medicines, including vaccines, antibiotics, and antivirals, should be a human right, universally available at no cost.  If markets can’t provide incentives to cheaply produce such drugs, then governments and non-profits should take responsibility for their manufacture and distribution.  The survival of the poor must at all times be accounted a higher priority than the profits of Big Pharma.

    The current pandemic expands the argument: capitalist globalization now appears to be biologically unsustainable in the absence of a truly international public health infrastructure. But such an infrastructure will never exist until peoples’ movements break the power of Big Pharma and for-profit healthcare.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:18 pm

    Gargantua wrote:Sad malo nagađam, bilo bi super da naredna 3-4 dana nemamo baš eksploziju broja novozaraženih, pa da onda startuju nekakvi efekti samozatvaranja i smanjenog kretanja itd.

    Pazi, jedino sto nam ostaje je ds se molimo da cemo nekako pregurati ne znam ni ja kako. Mislim da to radi i vrh drzave
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:20 pm

    Btw, SK je neka vrsta ordoliberalizma. Mislim, nije bas liberalna demokratija na nacin na koji su UK ili US.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:21 pm

    Tačno.


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    Post by паће Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:25 pm

    KinderLad wrote:Btw, SK je neka vrsta ordoliberalizma. Mislim, nije bas liberalna demokratija na nacin na koji su UK ili US.

    Што баш Северна? Шта лупеташ?


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:26 pm

    ok...
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    Post by паће Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:27 pm

    Да. Пиши како хоћеш, и сви ће да читају како хоће са истим правом. Али кад почне да смета комуникацији, онда јебига. Размисли.


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    Post by ontheotherhand Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:59 pm

    JKorejcima je tolko ordoliberalno dobro da sami idu u zatvore da pobegnu od hiperkompetetivnog pakla svakodnevnice.
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    Post by паће Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:01 pm

    колега из Холандије wrote:So update in the netherlands right now is that they won't test anyone anymore if they don't show severe signs. (going to ER) So the number of "infected" is not accurate at all


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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:07 pm

    Pitanje je šta je "severe". 


    Lokalni list iz Bergama, poređenje čitulja 9. februara i danas (10 strana čitulja)

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    Post by beatakeshi Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:19 pm

    A iz zgrade BIP-a cureo amonijak, 18 ljudi na VMA, kad pada onda pljušti.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:23 pm

    Uputstva NHS-a

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    Post by bemty Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:24 pm

    holandija ima istu strategiju kao uk. mada mislim da u uk testiraju jos uvek svakog ko ima simptome. i to ti dodju na vrata i obave test, da ne ides okolo i zarazavas.


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    Post by bemty Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:25 pm

    hm, mozda menjaju stragetiju. ranije je poziv na 111 znacio da ce neko da dodje da te testira ako ispunjavas uslove.


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    Post by bemty Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:32 pm

    inace uk ima i privatne bolnice, oko 8000 kreveta ukupno. mozda ce nhs sklopiti neki dil sa njima.


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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:38 pm

    U zvaničnom izveštaju koji je dostavljen CINS-u, a u kojem se ne navodi oprema iz vojno-zdravstvenih ustanova, ukupan broj respiratora je 1.024, od kojih je 955 u funkciji, odnosno koristi se. Od ukupnog broja 66 respiratora se ne koristi, dok su tri svrstana u kategoriju „nepoznato”.



    širi izveštaj:

    https://www.cins.rs/korona-virus-pogledajte-koliko-respiratora-ima-u-vasem-mestu/
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:39 pm

    NHS England ramps up Coronavirus testing

    I'm an NHS doctor treating coronavirus – you have no idea how bad things could get

    If we go the way of Italy, we're going to run out of intensive care beds in two weeks


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    By now, most people have accepted – even the government has accepted – that coronavirus is going to put considerable pressure on our NHS. Yet as an NHS doctor currently caring for coronavirus patients, let me tell you: you have no idea how bad it’s going to get.

    Without wanting to sound alarmist, the numbers are inescapable.

    One week ago, we had 40 confirmed cases in the UK. We took no specific general measures other than to contain and trace the contact patients had had with others. Yesterday, we had over ten times that number of cases, and still apart from screening intensive care patients, our testing criteria have barely changed. We still aren’t testing community cases that clinically look like coronavirus if they haven’t travelled or had contact with confirmed cases. Hospital cases are only beginning to be tested this week, and only at the discretion of clinicians.

    Until now, a suspected case was not allowed to be tested unless they had an obvious link to certain countries or infected patients. I’ve seen at least three people with severe disease who weren’t allowed to be tested, and heard of dozens more. This long-overdue policy change will soon be reflected – possibly as soon as the next 24-48 hours – in a big spike in case numbers.

    For an idea of how quickly case numbers can explode, look to Italy. One week after it hit 320 cases, the country reported 2,036; a week later, nearly 10,000; next week that number will likely rise to 50,000 or more. There’s nothing I have seen that tells me the exact same thing isn’t coming for us in the UK. We only have around 4,000 intensive care unit (ICU) beds in England, 80% of which are already full. If we follow the same trajectory as Italy, with 10% of coronavirus patients needing ICU treatment, we will need 200 beds next week, 1,000 the week after. That’s already the entire ICU capacity. Every two days after that, we will need twice the number of beds again.

    Then there is the collateral damage coronavirus will create. For while we are obsessively tracking deaths from Covid-19, it’s really the non-virus mortality we should be worried about. For every coronavirus patient in an ICU bed, one non-viral patient – possibly older, possibly with more complex healthcare needs – may be turned away. If you need intensive care and you don’t get it, it’s unlikely you will survive.

    Of course, the crisis will not end when the virus does. We have already begun shutting down some outpatient hospital clinics, and I suspect will close all of them to all this week. There is already a huge backlog of non-urgent surgery and cancer care, much of which will be cancelled entirely to cope with coronavirus. The knock-on effect will be felt for years to come.

    Unabated, we could see a million coronavirus cases or more in a month’s time. What happens after that, I don’t know. One thing I do know, however, is that the Italian mortality rate seems much higher than China’s (around 7%, versus 4%), a fact mostly explained by how Italian local healthcare has been pushed to breaking point. Reading the accounts of Italian doctors dealing with their outbreak reads like a warzone. Hospitals diverting all clinical staff to the care of ventilated patients. This is not healthcare but “catastrophe medicine”, of the kind one usually encounters on the battlefield; save who can be saved, leave the rest.

    China had the capacity to build 2,000-bed hospitals, lock down 750 million people, and fly in thousands of medical staff. Italy, despite having a well-resourced healthcare sector, has been overwhelmed. With 100,000 missing staff, 10,000 missing doctors, 40,000 missing nurses and around £3bn missing from our budget, we have neither Italy’s well-resourced healthcare system nor China’s capacity.

    I come from a medical family and in my house, it feels like we are preparing for war. My husband and I have talked about wills; hundreds of healthcare workers have died so far on the frontline of this crisis. However I am young, fit and therefore low-risk – but that isn’t true of all my colleagues, all of whom will be out there, putting their lives on the line for their patients.

    There have been plans mooted to recall recently-retired doctors to help shore up frontline services, or to train up final-year medical students. The government proposed both with some fanfare weeks ago – and yet nothing concrete has materialised on either front. The plans surrounding revalidation, supervision, and basic role expectations have simply not been laid out. I asked a medical student about coronavirus preparation today, he had looked at me blankly.

    If we are going to be throwing everybody we have at this in two weeks, why aren’t we training them now?
    We should be throwing every single resource we have at this, immediately. Rishi Sunak promised “unlimited money” to fight the pandemic – and yet we haven’t seen anything. We should be recalling every medic we can find, rapidly training up existing staff and resourcing central hospitals with every scrap of PPE and ventilation equipment we can lay our hands on. Hospital managers should be told to do whatever they have to, and don’t worry about budget constraints or fiscal penalties. The government should be providing the public directly what we need to contain the epidemic: handwashing areas at transit hubs, supplies at foodbanks, mass disinfection of public transport. We are far behind where we need to be, and every second lost will cost lives.

    It is not exaggerated – in fact, it is proportionate – to think of this as a war, a national crisis with a huge potential loss of life. Our army is poorly provisioned after years of neglect, our leaders are woefully underprepared. Now is the time the government must step up and truly deliver us the resources we need. No more delay – right now. Countless lives are on the line.

    The author is a doctor working in the NHS.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-uk-doctor-nhs-hospital-symptoms-italy-china-a9397736.html
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    Post by lalinea Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:49 pm

    nesto razmisljam ova dva dana oko ovih startegija testiranja i mislim da, posto sad vec znamo da ~20% treba bolnicku nego, vise i nema smisla juriti svaki blagi slucaj da testiras, troseci vreme, testove i izlazuci zdravstveno osoblje riziku. testiras svakoga ko ima dovoljno ozbiljne simptome da mora u bolnicu i opet time mozes da pratis da li stopa zaraze raste ili opada. dok procenat umrlih zavisi od prenatrpanosti sistema, procenat sa tezim simptomima nije vezna za isti faktor.


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    Post by bemty Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:52 pm

    https://medium.com/@andreasbackhausab/coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy-c4200a15a7bf

    poredjenje korejske i italijanske stope smrtnosti, opet dobar clanak s brojkama.

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    Post by plachkica Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:54 pm

    @lalinea

    nešto tome u prilog
    (oko ovoga se digla prilična frka pre par dana)


    Nišlijka iz Bazela negativna na koronavirus

    Nišlijka Mirjana Jovanović koja je nedavno došla iz Bazela, a koju su pristali da testiraju tek pošto se obratila medijima, negativna je na koronavirus, objavile su Južne vesti.

    Mirjana Jovanović je posle sletanja iz Bazela u Niš danima pokušavala da ubedi epidemiologe da je testiraju, jer je sumnjala na koronavirus. Pre dva dana je Hitna pomoć odvezla na Infektivnu kliniku gde je testirana i provela je u bolnici jednu noć. Epidemiolog Tiodorović kaže da je test negativan, objavile su Južne vesti.

    "Ja sam insistirao da bude primljena, bez obzira što po algoritmu koji imamo od Svetske zdravstvene organizacije i Batuta nije bila za testiraje. Insistirao sam da joj uzmu materijal za testiranje, sve je to urađeno i ona je negativna, nema virus", ističe Tiodorović.

    On objašnjava da je tih dana samo jedan epidemiolog odgovarao na pozive građana. Dodaje da ne želi da ga pravda, ali da je napravljena velika galama, iako je utvrđeno da nije ni trebalo da se testira.

    Takođe napominje da nigde u Evropi, ni u svetu ljudi ne mogu da traže da se testiraju, jer to određuju stručnjaci.

    Zamolio je epidemiologe da rade sa više energije i da imaju više empatije prema ljudima, ali i građane da imaju razumevanja, jer svaki epidemiolog dnevno razgovara sa 150 do 280 ljudi.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:54 pm

    Стара је вест, али можда неко није видео.

    Nvidia is putting out a call to PC gamers everywhere to download the Folding@home application and start putting their spare clock cycles toward advancing humanity's scientific knowledge of coronavirus. The program links computers into an international network that uses distributed processing power to chew through massive computing tasks - something that gaming-grade GPUs are quite good at, as it turns out. You can still turn the application off and reclaim your GPU's full power for playing games whenever you want.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:02 pm

    Vrlo rado.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:05 pm

    Шта мислиш када би биткоин фармери упрегли све оно што имају Virus - Page 36 1233199462
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:22 pm

    subjektivan utisak je da je centar Beograda prilično prazan. Varoš kapija i kraj oko zelenjaka--izgleda kao da je neko nedeljno veče po baš lošem vremenu. ima to valjda veze i sa time što nema turista, ali deluje mi i da su i domoroci pojačano u najužem krugu svojih porodica.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:26 pm

    Pa mislim, pazi, mozes da se besciljno setas po ulici i sansa da se tako zarazis je otprilike kao i da ti saksija padne na glavu Virus - Page 36 1399639816 Ali vecina je na ulici zat osto zapravo ide nekud. A...sad malo ko ide nekud.

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