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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:24 am

    William Murderface wrote:Meni je Inception bio pomao smoran, ali je prema ovome remek-delo. Ovo je zaista čist Šajamalan, podsetio me na Signs - tata udovac, udaljena farma, dubokatm religilijska tematika, itd.

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    November 6, 2014 3:15 PM
    Interstellar: To Insipidness and Beyond  
     Christopher Nolan crashes and burns, but the Hawking biopic Theory of Everything takes off.  
    By Armond White

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    The movie year has now peaked — but not with Interstellar. It’s the back-to-back openings of masterpieces by Alain Resnais (Life of Riley) and Jean-Luc Godard (Goodbye to Language) that outclass all other new films. Christopher Nolan’s Interstellar is just a dull, galumphing white elephant that reminds us what a trap commercial cinema has become for gullible consumers. It’s a pre-sold “Event,” the kind audiences no longer question because all media obediently participate in its promotion.
    Not a visionary, Nolan plays one at the movies: He knows how to game the system. Since his sub-Resnais time-tricks in 1998’s Memento, Nolan (co-writing with his brother Jonathan) has aced Hollywood’s geek appeal. These British boys still share adolescent sci-fi fantasies but inflate them with “deep thoughts” (read that the way Frankie Pentangeli says “Big deals!” in The Godfather, Part II): Farmer Cooper (Matthew McConaughey) and his Midwestern family struggle during an apocalyptic dust storm, but he can’t shake his astronaut past and stumbles upon a secret NASA project (the Lazarus Mission) to explore other planets in order to escape Earth’s ecological crisis.
    This hackneyed conceit proves the Nolan brothers perfect drones in a wasteful industry devoted to recycling already familiar concepts — whether comic-book superheroes or space travel — that the Nolans taint with juvenile cynicism. From the all-American nickname Coop, a widower with two kids chasing military aircraft through a cornfield, to speculation about ghosts that shifts into a two-year space mission towards Saturn with a talking computer alongside, Nolan piles up clichés like no director since the now unpopular M. Night Shyamalan. (The real template for Interstellar is not 2001: A Space Odyssey but Signs.) To recycle that old rock-critic syllogism: If I don’t need Shyamalan teaching me how to enjoy Spielberg why should I let Nolan teach me how to watch Shyamalan?
    Nolan’s a depressive Shyamalan who traffics in doomsday scenarios, catering to Millennial pessimists. “Isn’t science about admitting what we don’t know?” Coop’s daughter asks, but Interstellar lacks awe. Nolan’s imagination is so cramped he can’t depict natural American vastness comparable to Albert Whitlock’s memorable F/X dust storm in Bound for Glory. He opens with a Reds-style old-folks doc to evoke senility and Depression-era gloom, eventually leading to a cosmic odyssey of murder, death, anguish, and pseudo-scientific gobbledygook. Dark Knights in Orbit. There’s no spiritual quest; it all lacks edifying, Christian love. Interstellar’s first cosmic image of the Earth as orb is accompanied by a pointless Hans Zimmer organ chord, but it’s visually unimpressive — Nolan doesn’t know how to do majestic. Unlike Godard, Resnais, Spielberg, or Kubrick, he doesn’t have a cinematic eye.
    Nolan sure is a nihilist, though. His scenario, “The last people to starve will be first to suffocate,” offers typically dire teenage imagining. The closest he gets to religion is when Coop rescues a stranded astronaut (uh, oh, Matt Damon — prepare for secular point-making). Damon’s Astronaut Mann enthuses, “You have literally raised me from the dead.” Insightful Coop responds: “Lazurus.” Not really, guys. This weak pass at Significance goes nowhere. Mann’s real, contradictory purpose is his murderous proclamation: “We are the future!” (Read that also like Frankie Pentangeli saying “Big Deals!”) This mad pronouncement reverses Man of Steel’s Jor-El story and trades its Moses/Christ evocation for Dark Knight nihilism.
    Nihilism has become a mere box-office reflex for Nolan — a joke that finally undermines Interstellar when Nolan goes soft (“Love transcends dimensions of time and space,” self-pitying Coop learns). Confused? It was evident from the Dark Knight films that Nolan had no clear idea what he wanted to say; now he just gets maudlin. This sap must be nihilism’s flip side; an equally vacuous, corrupt manipulation. And what has moved critics to Titanic/Avatar levels of hyperbole is that Nolan’s loud, flat, gigantic apparatus revives yuppie privilege: “When you’re a parent, you’re a ghost for your children’s future.”
    Interstellar never explores colonization, good vs. evil, or metaphysics — not even when Coop gives a watch to his petulant daughter Murph (Mackenzie Foy); she tosses the memento in anger, not faith like the rejection of Time in Borzage’s great spiritual tearjerker Three Comrades. Nolan’s parent-child premise becomes a Benjamin Button farce (with Ellen Burstyn reprising her cameo as old Murph from the seniors doc at another point in the film). It lacks the cross-generational, cross-time resonance of that good Jim Caveziel–Dennis Quaid film, Frequency. Brian DePalma’s outward-looking cosmos-politan affirmation in Mission to Mars gets refuted by Nolan’s nuclear-family solipsism. And at the crucial juncture when adult Murph’s (Jessica Chastain) last-ditch efforts to save her family are contrasted with Coop’s, Nolan forgets to intercut the two stories, dragging out another hour. So long panache, adios to “genius.”
    Critics who follow weak praise for Goodbye to Language with hosannas for Interstellar are disingenuous. You can’t celebrate Godard’s rigorous, ecstatic examination of art and morality and then lead audiences to Nolan’s trite, overblown, unbeautiful, and non-resonant epic. One’s for movie-lovers, the other’s for sheep. When Godard says goodbye to language, the culture represented by Interstellar is what he means.


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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:34 am

    Vreme je za topic Iz foruma u medije.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:35 am

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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:38 pm

    navuko si se na whitea priznaj :D


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:41 pm

    Pomalo interstellar - nije 2001 - Page 4 4101625831  ( eto, sad opet fali stidljivi smajli).

    Stvarno je potreban neko izvan hora koji peva hvalospeve svemu što uradi neki veliki reditelj. Neko mora da ima hrabrosti da kaže ono Ebertovo - your movie sucks! I tu je Armond potpuno u pravu - ovaj film je prosto too big to fail, i niko se ne usuđuje da otvoreno kaže koliko je loš.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:13 pm

    pa ne samo to. white je prilicno artikulisan.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:24 pm

    Pa jeste, baš je dobra ova kritika i ne zadržava se samo na detaljima.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:37 pm

    sada mi se opet gleda frequency.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:42 pm

    To je fenomenalan film! I nemerljivo superioran u odnosu na ovu budalaštinu.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:30 pm

    pa to je invertirani interstellar. kosmicka anomalija postoji samo da bi se razresila jedna porodicna dinamika u kojoj sin zapravo iskupljuje i spasava oca.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:39 pm

    Pa što invertirani, zar nije isto i u Interstellar-u, samo gluplje.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:43 pm

    pa u interstelaru otac iskupljuje svet preko deteta.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:45 pm

    Pa jesteda, ali i dete iskupljuje oca (za to što ih je ostavio), ali ga i bukvalno spasava.

    It's a mystery wrapped in a puzzle!


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:48 pm

    pa njegov spas je slucajnost. greska statistike ili odluka petodimenzionalnih stvorenja. ma mislim bulja. mekonahi kao krizanac boga i buck rogersa.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:51 pm

    Što rek'o Milhaus - "and the old lady told them it would happen!"


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:02 pm

    inace armand ga je dobro upecao i za samu fotografiju kojoj nedostaje osecaj velicanstvenosti u kadrovima sa planetom zemljom. zemlja je tu nebitna bas kao i ta melodramatska struktura koja jede vreme.

    inace, zar interstellar nije na neki nacin i invertirani shelter? interstellar cudnu emotivnu umrtvljenost protagoniste postavlja kao osnov napretka.


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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:20 pm

    nisam gledo insterstelar, a sta sam sve procito ne znam ni da l cu, al bih da istaknem da sam fan armona uajta i da smatram da je jako vazan lik.

    njegove pozicije u nacelu dosta su ispravne. to, da se film vrati i u istoriju, tj. da se odustane od toga da je svaki film univerzum za sebe koji se onda vrednuje u odnosu na to u kojoj meri uspeva u tome sto pokusava ili po tome koliko uspesno gradi iluziju, sto bi reko ravaneli. ne, kaze uajt, neke iluzije su glupe makolko su uspesne. memento moramo da suocimo s istorijom, s reneovim (i rob-grijeovim) dostignucima, a interstelar (i sve nas) da podsetimo da on i godarov 3d film ne postoje u razlicitim dimenzijama nego u istom svetu. (jedva cekam da gledam novog godara!) misim da je ta u sustini antiibertovska pozicija jako vazna danas.

    sem toga uajt ima tu plemenitu crtu da se gnusa nihilistickog, fatalistickog i cinicnog.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:29 pm

    zanimljivo je i to da covek koji je nominalno desnicar (doduse ko slim shady - crnac i homoseksualac i njujorcanin a republikanac) zapravo promovise uporno evropski film i francuski novi talas. ko neka po-mo ironicna verzija onog mapetovskog orla.


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    Post by Somlói Galuska Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:41 pm

    Odlična mu je kritika. Moram da priznam da nisam uspeo tako da sredim stvari u glavi kao on - suviše su me omeli citati Odiseje, pa sam, u stvari, prevideo da je film obična papazjanija, učitao sam mu i previše smisla, intenzivno ga mrzeći. interstellar - nije 2001 - Page 4 1143415371
    Dozvolite da postujem ovu kritiku na tamou, dugujem to sebi. interstellar - nije 2001 - Page 4 3647434120
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:16 pm

    tamo zorge gotovo izvesno cita armonda (ako ne onda propusta. mada covek je notoran. izbacili su ga iz udruzenja kriticara zbog heklovanja mekvina na dodeli nagrade udruzenja za 12 years a slave). meni su ovakve kritike daleko draze od poznog ebertovog svidjizma.


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    Post by Somlói Galuska Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:24 pm

    Ja sam sad pogledao malo šta ima od njegovih kritika na tom sajtu, po negde se čini da malo piše više iz nekog fazona "šta bi on želeo da film znači" (na primer o "Only Lovers Left Alive"), ali su mu stvarno efektne kritike. Ne plaši se da će ispasti "mator". Koliko ima godina?

    edit - inače bih postovao kritiku tamo pre svega zbog samog njenog kraja.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:11 pm

    sezdesetak. pa cuj ja se gomilu puta ne slozim s njim ali je svaki put zanimljivo i navodi na razmisljanje. meni ta trzisna pamet srednjeg puta ne lezi pa cu radije i weirdoa.

    kako kaze zizek: mozda ce komunizam biti drustvo u kojem ce gomila cudnih ljudi raditi cudne stvari ne smetajuci jedni drugima.


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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:15 pm

    Uvek mi je draži thinking conservative, nego unthinking liberal. A salva odobravanja koju su Interstellar, ali i Gone Girl (dva filma koja je Vajt odlično provalio) je stvarno otužna.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:20 pm

    mislim uajt je neverovatan i namerno provocira ponekad. kao kada tvrdi da je ghost rider: spirit of vengeance bolji film od zero nine thirty :D


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