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by Zuper Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:15 pmMislis da su torijevci zaboravili Briselu i Berlinu sta su uradili njihovoj omiljenoj liderki i na kraju Britaniji?
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zapravo problem monetarne unije i samim tim politicke stabilnosti EU je ovo
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v14/n19/wynne-godley/maastricht-and-all-that
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v14/n19/wynne-godley/maastricht-and-all-that
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Zuper wrote:Mislis da su torijevci zaboravili Briselu i Berlinu sta su uradili njihovoj omiljenoj liderki i na kraju Britaniji?
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sve je to u redu. ali UK nije bila u evru, a i prema svemu ostalom je mogla da postavi kako god hoce. UK nije neka leva zemlja u EU. Mogli su sa svime da se igraju osim 4 slobode. Pa i to su mogli da stave nekoliko godina zabrane emigracije za ove ili one. I ne radi se cetvrt veka nesto samo out of spite, to je potpuno povrsno gledanje. Radi se o potpuno drugacijem (po mom skormnom misljenju netacnom, ali videcemo) vidjenju svoje zemlje i mesta u svetu, a i ekonomije zemlje sto znaci kompletnog drustva.
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Zupere, ceo tzv. period stabilizacije 80-ih Britanci su pokušavali da drže paritet između funte i nemačke marke, doduše neformalno. Niko ih nije utreao u ERM, sami su to hteli, možda Tačerka ne ali Mejdžor svakako jeste. Ali jebeno je to kad imaš inflaciju od 15%.
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Nije povrsno.
Otvorena mrznja prema Briselu u torijevskim medijima u Britaniji krece upravo nakon dogadjaja sa ERM 1990-1992 i pada Tacerke.
Nije to malo, u trenutku pada SSSR i trijumfa zapada te ujedinjenja Nemacke, Britanija dozivljava ekonomski kolaps i pad funte, prilicna blamaza i udar na ponos Britanije pa i pokazuje pad znacaja Britanije u svetu.
Britanija je na neki nacin naterana u ERM, posledice:
Otvorena mrznja prema Briselu u torijevskim medijima u Britaniji krece upravo nakon dogadjaja sa ERM 1990-1992 i pada Tacerke.
Nije to malo, u trenutku pada SSSR i trijumfa zapada te ujedinjenja Nemacke, Britanija dozivljava ekonomski kolaps i pad funte, prilicna blamaza i udar na ponos Britanije pa i pokazuje pad znacaja Britanije u svetu.
Britanija je na neki nacin naterana u ERM, posledice:
Black Wednesday
Black Wednesday occurred in the United Kingdom on 16 September 1992, when the British government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after a failed attempt to keep the pound above the lower currency exchange limit mandated by the ERM. At that time, the United Kingdom held the Presidency of the European Communities.
When the ERM was set up in 1979, the United Kingdom declined to join. This was a controversial decision, as the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Geoffrey Howe, was staunchly pro-European. His successor, Nigel Lawson, a believer in a fixed exchange rate, admired the low inflationary record of West Germany. He attributed it to the strength of the Deutsche Mark and the management of the Bundesbank. Thus, although the UK had not joined the ERM, from early 1987 to March 1988 the Treasury followed a semi-official policy of 'shadowing' the Deutsche Mark.[7] Matters came to a head in a clash between Lawson and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's economic adviser Alan Walters, when Walters claimed that the Exchange Rate Mechanism was "half baked".[8]
This led to Lawson's resignation as chancellor to be replaced by his old protégé John Major, who, with Douglas Hurd, the then Foreign Secretary, convinced the Cabinet to sign Britain up to the ERM in October 1990, effectively guaranteeing that the British government would follow an economic and monetary policy preventing the exchange rate between the pound and other member currencies from fluctuating by more than 6%. On 8 October 1990, Thatcher entered the pound into the ERM mechanism at DM 2.95 to the pound. Hence, if the exchange rate ever neared the bottom of its permitted range, DM 2.773 (€1.4178 at the DM/Euro conversion rate), the government would be obliged to intervene. In 1989, UK inflation was three times the rate of Germany's, had higher interest rates at 15%, and much lower labour productivity than France and Germany, which indicated the UK's different economic state in comparison to other ERM countries.[9]
From the beginning of the 1990s, high German interest rates, set by the Bundesbank to counteract inflationary effects related to excess expenditure on German reunification, caused significant stress across the whole of the ERM. The UK and Italy had additional difficulties with their double deficits, while the UK was also hurt by the rapid depreciation of the United States Dollar – a currency in which many British exports were priced – that summer. Issues of national prestige and the commitment to a doctrine that the fixing of exchange rates within the ERM was a pathway to a single European currency inhibited the adjustment of exchange rates. In the wake of the rejection of the Maastricht Treaty by the Danish electorate in a referendum in the spring of 1992, and announcement that there would be a referendum in France as well, those ERM currencies that were trading close to the bottom of their ERM bands came under pressure from foreign exchange traders.[10]
In the months leading up to Black Wednesday, George Soros had been building a huge short position in pounds sterling that would become immensely profitable if the pound fell below the lower band of the ERM. Soros recognized the unfavourable position at which the United Kingdom joined the ERM, believing the rate at which the UK was brought into the Exchange Rate Mechanism was too high, their inflation was also much too high (triple the German rate), and British interest rates were hurting their asset prices.[11] Soros made over £1 billion in profit by short selling sterling.[12]
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koko si glup
svuda trpas sorosa osim tamo gde je uistinu zaradio svoje ime
1992. je on licno unistio funtu
svuda trpas sorosa osim tamo gde je uistinu zaradio svoje ime
1992. je on licno unistio funtu
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dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:Zupere, ceo tzv. period stabilizacije 80-ih Britanci su pokušavali da drže paritet između funte i nemačke marke, doduše neformalno. Niko ih nije utreao u ERM, sami su to hteli, možda Tačerka ne ali Mejdžor svakako jeste. Ali jebeno je to kad imaš inflaciju od 15%.
Covek koji je radio pri Evropskoj komisiji, monetarni deo, kao predstavnik Britanije se ne bi slozio:
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Survation je pred prosle izbore veoma dobro ubo rezultat jer je stavio prednost Torijevaca na svega 1% dok su svi ostali trpali tipa 5+%, konacni rezultat je bio 2% prednosti za Torijevce
Sada kazu sledece
Sada kazu sledece
UK, Survation poll:
— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) December 9, 2019
CON-ECR: 45% (+2)
LAB-S&D: 31% (-2)
LDEM-RE: 11%
BREXIT-NI: 4% (+1)
GREENS-G/EFA: 2% (-2)
+/- vs. 26-30 Nov
Fieldwork: 5-7 December 2019
Sample size: N/A
➤ https://t.co/7gcpMz8djk#ge2019 #Brexit pic.twitter.com/FD8M9n8LOx
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Zuper wrote:Nije povrsno.
Otvorena mrznja prema Briselu u torijevskim medijima u Britaniji krece upravo nakon dogadjaja sa ERM 1990-1992 i pada Tacerke.
Nije to malo, u trenutku pada SSSR i trijumfa zapada te ujedinjenja Nemacke, Britanija dozivljava ekonomski kolaps i pad funte, prilicna blamaza i udar na ponos Britanije pa i pokazuje pad znacaja Britanije u svetu.
Britanija je na neki nacin naterana u ERM, posledice:
kljucna rec
Medju Torijevcima je postojao deo koji se nikada nije pomirio sa tim da je EEZ/EZ/EU ikada nesto vise od Common Market-a. Da, to je Mastriht. Ali to nije pizma 20 i kusur godina "zbog Tacerke". Sa zajednickim trzistem samo kao zajednickim trzistem retko ko je od njih imao problem. Medjutim sad su zaklali vola zbog mozda ne kilo, ali zbog tri kile mesa. Ovo sto sad rade je kocka i sve zavisi od toga da li ce u novim uslovima City odrzati svoje mesto. To je veliko pitanje, to uopste nije "given". Dosli su u situaciju da stvari ne zavise od njih. Mogu da uticu, ali ne mogu da odlucuju.
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Zuper wrote:Survation je pred prosle izbore veoma dobro ubo rezultat jer je stavio prednost Torijevaca na svega 1% dok su svi ostali trpali tipa 5+%, konacni rezultat je bio 2% prednosti za Torijevce
Sada kazu sledeceUK, Survation poll:
— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) December 9, 2019
CON-ECR: 45% (+2)
LAB-S&D: 31% (-2)
LDEM-RE: 11%
BREXIT-NI: 4% (+1)
GREENS-G/EFA: 2% (-2)
+/- vs. 26-30 Nov
Fieldwork: 5-7 December 2019
Sample size: N/A
➤ https://t.co/7gcpMz8djk#ge2019 #Brexit pic.twitter.com/FD8M9n8LOx
da, to je to. minimum 350 poslanika. Bilo bi i vise, ali bice taktickog glasanja pa zato
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Ja verujem da ce prednost Torijevaca biti znatno manja, tipa 4-5% ali da ce imati neku vecinu od 10-20 poslanika.
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Vrti se u proseku oko 10%. Mozda ce u realnosti biti oko 8%. Takticko glasanje ce to verovatno, mada nije sigurno, jos malo spustiti u realnom efektu, znaci 6-7% je najvise cemu mogu da se nadaju Laburisti. A to je bar 340 poslanika za Cons, ako ne i vise.
Do kraja 2020 (verovatnije 2021) sve ostaje isto u sustini sa EU. U sustini pocinje druga faza Brexita, a to je koliko vi 4 slobode i ECJ, toliko mi vama pristupa trzistu. Taman skoro ceo mandat. Milina.
Do kraja 2020 (verovatnije 2021) sve ostaje isto u sustini sa EU. U sustini pocinje druga faza Brexita, a to je koliko vi 4 slobode i ECJ, toliko mi vama pristupa trzistu. Taman skoro ceo mandat. Milina.
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Corbyn se sada bije da ostane na celu stranke, jer ako bude bas neki debakl to ce biti nemoguce
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Korbin leti ako radnici izgube.
Jasna torijevska vecina moze prakticno da napravi tvrd izlazak na kraju 2020.
Jasna torijevska vecina moze prakticno da napravi tvrd izlazak na kraju 2020.
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At Grimsby Fish Market this morning.
— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) December 9, 2019
Our new Brexit deal means we will take back control of our fishing waters and support our fantastic fishing industries. pic.twitter.com/ZwKZnVnA8V
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Boris has reprised the Love Actually placard scene for his final election broadcast push. Yes. Really. pic.twitter.com/PBrMQLHbx6
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fantasticno su uradili ovo
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EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign. https://t.co/iGHX71S63p
— The Times (@thetimes) December 9, 2019
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EU migranti su problem. Imaju neka prava, postoji sud kome mogu da se obrate. Lose za biznis.
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Gargantua wrote:EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign. https://t.co/iGHX71S63p
— The Times (@thetimes) December 9, 2019
According to figures published by The Irish Times, since 2008, 165,100 people have emigrated from Ireland to the UK, which is more than both Australia and Canada combined.
From 2016 and the Brexit vote, there has been a notable reversal in the number moving from the UK to Ireland compared with those emigrating there.
In 2018, just 11,400 moved to the UK from Ireland compared with 20,100 in the opposite direction.
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Po modelu konzervativcima treba minimum 5% prednosti za cistu vecinu.
Nece to biti tako jednostavno.
Nece to biti tako jednostavno.
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Westminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@britainelects) December 10, 2019
CON: 43% (+1)
LAB: 36% (-)
LDEM: 12% (+1)
SNP: 4% (+1)
BREX: 3% (-1)
GRN: 2% (-)
via @SavantaComRes, 06 - 08 Dec
Chgs. w/ 02 - 05 Dechttps://t.co/m1hoBpI81D
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