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bruno sulak wrote:dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:Ma jok, otkud to?
Sve se na kraju svodi na pare. I to na 10£ nedeljno, što je otprilike cena dva piva u pabu.
cela ekipa oko ostataka zaklanog ukip-a je mracna. onaj ludi sargon i toni r.
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rumbeando wrote:
Laura je uzas, Neil videli smo. Jedini koji od ovih stavlja torijevce bar malo na iskusenje je Marr. Malo.
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bruno sulak wrote:narocito sto, bez obzira na polipovu nevericu, s druge strane ima tusta i tma pravih antisemita.
Uopšte ne sumnjam u to. Samo je krajnje vreme da se prihvati činjenica da ne možeš biti partija i muslimana i Jevreja. Svidelo se to nekome ili ne.
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Ma daj.
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Ok, grešim. Kako onda ti objašnjavaš ovakvu reakciju jevrejske zajednice na Korbina?
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Mislim, jebo taj esencijalizam. I torijevci i republikanci u US sasvim lepo spajaju Netanjahua i Saudi Arabiju. Ne govorimo o muslimanima i Jevrejima, nego o necemu drugom.
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Летећи Полип wrote:Ok, grešim. Kako onda ti objašnjavaš ovakvu reakciju jevrejske zajednice na Korbina?
Cionizmom.
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Летећи Полип wrote:Ok, grešim. Kako onda ti objašnjavaš ovakvu reakciju jevrejske zajednice na Korbina?
Median total wealth in £ by religion (2008):
Christian households 223,000
Jewish households 422,000
Muslim households 42,000
Hindu households 206,000
Sikh households 229,000
Other religions 161,000
No religion 138,000
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Economic Inequality and Religion
to jest
An Anatomy of Economic Inequality in the UK Report of the National Equality Panel
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Летећи Полип wrote:Ok, grešim. Kako onda ti objašnjavaš ovakvu reakciju jevrejske zajednice na Korbina?
pa manje su "lokalna zajednica" a više grupa za brigu o spoljnoj/bezbednosnoj politici izraela kao države, zajedno sa x drugih povezanih političkih čvorišta u uk.
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Muslim households 42,000
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А овамо на "да ли бисте дозволили да вам се ћерка уда за" атеисти пролазе трипут горе од муслимана. Тј не овамо него тамо, у САД.
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И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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ćaća wrote:Inače je ovo silovanje antisemitizma baš baš odvratno, čak i za britanske uslove. Posebno teška sramota za britansku jevrejsku zajednicu.
Mogla bi i članovi britanske kraljevske porodice da se malo čereče i da ih bude sram.
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Летећи Полип wrote:bruno sulak wrote:narocito sto, bez obzira na polipovu nevericu, s druge strane ima tusta i tma pravih antisemita.
Uopšte ne sumnjam u to. Samo je krajnje vreme da se prihvati činjenica da ne možeš biti partija i muslimana i Jevreja. Svidelo se to nekome ili ne.
lejbor je pun jevreja. pazi ovo sto se sada desava sa laburistima ima veze sa pucanjem na simona peresa. doslovce. u samom izraelu vise ne postoji leva opcija i sada pokusavaju da bilo kakvo "levo" citanje pitanja jevrejske drzave i palestinske buduce drzave u relevantnim centrima moci bude skrajnuto. mislim ovo je ne samo napad na korbina vec i disciplinovanje sopstvene zajednice.
ukoliko bibi konacno ode u istoriju i ukoliko se profilise neka nova opcija u izarelu levo od centra sve ce se ovo promeniti.
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ne peres vec rabin. krecana.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Izrael jeste bitan ali ovo nije samo do toga već dobrim delom i do očuvanja klasnih privilegija.
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pa, ovde ce se pre ili kasnije otkriti neki ruder and finn, ili slicno.
Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemitism
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party
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Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemitism
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party
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Ide mi na ganglije ovo oko antisemitizma. Voleo bih da Korbin izadje i kaze jasno i glasno da su pojedini religiozni lideri dozvolili sebi da licne politicke afinitete stave ispred vaznih interesa grupa koje zastupaju i da ce to imati posledice na te organizacije u buducnosti, te da bi u cilju zastite interesa tih grupa - u ovom slucaju jevrejstine - trebali sami ljudu iznutra da posmenjuju takvo skaradno rukovodstvo, or else. Svaki drugi odgovor je sranje. Drkace ga neprestano i doveka.
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Letter: As economists we believe the Labour party deserves to form the next UK government
The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services.
The results are now plain. We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain — which the economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis.
Given private sector reluctance, what the UK economy needs is a serious injection of public investment, which can in turn leverage private finance attracted by the expectation of higher demand. Such investment needs to be directed into the large-scale and rapid decarbonisation of energy, transport, housing, industry and farming; the support of innovation- and export-oriented businesses; and public services. It is clear that this will require an active and green industrial strategy, aimed at improving productivity and spreading investment across the country.
Experience elsewhere (not least in Germany) suggests a National Investment Bank would greatly help. With long-term real interest rates now negative, it makes basic economic sense for the government to borrow for this, spreading the cost over the generations who will benefit from the assets. As the IMF has acknowledged, when interest payments are low and investment raises economic growth, public debt is sustainable.
At the same time, we need a serious attempt to raise wages and productivity. A higher minimum wage can help do this, alongside tighter regulation of the worst practices in the gig economy. Bringing workers on to company boards and giving them a stake in their companies, as most European countries do in some form, will also help. The UK’s outlier rate of corporation tax can clearly be raised, not least for the highly profitable digital companies.
As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the Labour party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government.
David G. Blanchflower
Bruce V. Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics.
University of Stirling; former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Victoria Chick
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London
Lord Meghnad Desai
Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science
Stephany Griffith-Jones
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex;
Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University
Simon Wren-Lewis
Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford
Jonathan Aldred
Director of Studies in Economics, Emmanuel College, and Faculty of Economics, University
of Cambridge
Tanweer Ali
Lecturer, Empire State College, State University of New York
Patrick Allen
Chair, Progressive Economy Forum
Carolina Alves
Joan Robinson Research Fellow in Heterodox Economics, Faculty of Economics and Girton
College, University of Cambridge
Antonio Andreoni
Senior Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London
Shawky Arif
Senior Lecturer in International Development, University of Northampton
Joseph Baines
Lecturer of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Kate Bayliss
Senior Research Fellow, SOAS, University of London
Hannah Bargawi
Senior Lecturer and co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
Adotey Bing-Pappoe
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Greenwich University
Peter Bloom
Professor of Management, Essex Business School, University of Essex
Bruno Bonizzi
Senior Lecturer, University of Hertfordshire, Hertfordshire Business School
Dr Alberto Botta
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Andrew Brown
Professor of Economics and Political Economy, University of Leeds
Mark Bryan
Reader in Economics, University of Sheffield
Mike Bull
Reader in Social Enterprise, Manchester Metropolitan University
Jonathan Busch
Research Fellow in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Terry Byres
Professor Emeritus of Political Economy, SOAS, University of London
Robert Calvert Jump
Research Fellow, University of Greenwich
Ha-Joon Chang
Reader, Faculty of Economics, University of Cambridge
John Christensen
Director, Tax Justice Network
David Cobham
Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University
Christine Cooper
Professor of Accounting, University of Edinburgh
Christopher Cramer
Professor of the Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Bruce Cronin
Professor of Economic Sociology, University of Greenwich
Andrew Cumbers
Professor of Regional Political Economy, University of Glasgow
Yannis Dafermos
Lecturer in Economics, SOAS University of London
Hulya Dagdeviren
Professor of Economic Development, University of Hertfordshire
William Davies
Professor in Political Economy, Goldsmiths, University of London
Jerome De Henau
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Jonathan Di John
Senior Lecturer, Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Danny Dorling
Halford Mackinder Professor of Geography, University of Oxford
Gary Dymski
Professor of Applied Economics, University of Leeds
Ciaran Driver
Professor of Economics, School of Finance and Management, SOAS, University of London
Trevor Evans
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Berlin School of Economics and Law
Andrew Fanning
Marie Curie Research Fellow, Sustainability Research Institute, University of Leeds
Ben Fine
Emeritus Professor, School of Oriental and African Studies, London
Felix FitzRoy
Emeritus Professor of Economics, School of Economics and Finance, University of St.
Andrews; Research Fellow, IZA, Bonn
Guglielmo Forges Davanzati
Professor of Political Economy, University of Salento and Department of Land Economy,
University of Cambridge
Carlos Fortin
Emeritus Fellow and Research Associate, Institute of Development Studies, University of
Sussex
Vasileios Fouskas
Professor of International Politics and Economics, University of East London
Daniela Gabor
Professor of Economics and Macro-Finance, University of the West of England Bristol
Giorgos Galanis
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Sara Gorgoni
Associate Professor in Economics, University of Greenwich
Ian Gough
Visiting Professor in the Centre for Social Exclusion, London School of Economics
Giorgos Gouzoulis
Research Fellow, University College London
John Grahl
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Middlesex University
Martin Greeley
Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
Alexander Guschanski
Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Hassan Hakimian
Emeritus Professor of Economics, SOAS, London
Barbara Harriss-White
Emeritus Professor, Wolfson College, Oxford
Jostein Hauge
Research Associate at the Institute for Manufacturing, University of Cambridge
Judith Heyer
Emeritus Fellow, Somerville College, Oxford
Ariane Hillig
Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Susan Himmelweit
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Open University
Peter Holmes
Reader in Economics, University of Sussex
Peter Howells
Emeritus Professor of Monetary Economics, UWE Bristol
Leslie Huckfield
Lecturer, Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
Tim Jackson
Professor of Sustainable Development, University of Surrey
Michael Jacobs
Professorial Fellow, Sheffield Political Economy Research Institute, University of Sheffield
Sir Richard Jolly
Emeritus Professor, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
Emily Jones
Associate Professor in Public Policy, Blavatnik School of Government, University of Oxford
Annina Kaltenbrunner
Associate Professor in the Economics of Globalisation and the International Economy,
University of Leeds
Raphael Kaplinsky
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, and Honorary Professor,
Science Policy Research Unit, University of Sussex
Ewa Karwowski
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Hertfordshire
Steve Keen
Honorary Professor, University College London
Effie Kesidou
Associate Professor in Applied Economics, University of Leeds
Mushtaq Khan
Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
Andy Kilmister
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Oxford Brookes University
Suzanne J Konzelmann
Reader in Management, Birkbeck, University of London
Sunil Mitra Kumar
Lecturer in Economics, King’s College London
Ingrid Harvold Kvangraven
Lecturer in International Development, University of York
Neil Lancastle
Senior Lecturer, Accounting and Finance, De Montfort University
Stewart Lansley
Visiting Fellow, University of Bristol
Costas Lapavitsas
Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
Clive Lawson
Director of Studies in Economics, Girton College Cambridge
Jane Lethbridge
Principal Lecturer, Business Faculty, University of Greenwich
Merle Lipton
Visiting Research Fellow at King's College London
Michael Lipton
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Sussex University
Emanuele Lobina
Principal Lecturer, Public Services International Research Unit, University of Greenwich
Lorena Lombardozzi
Lecturer in Economics, The Open University
Pedro Mendes Loureiro
Lecturer in Latin American Studies, University of Cambridge
Terry McKinley
Professor of Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
Laurie Macfarlane
Head of Patient Finance, UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose
Maureen Mackintosh
Professor of Economics, The Open University
Julia Martin-Ortegqa
Professor of Ecological Economics, University of Leeds, UK
Paul Mason
Visiting Professor of Economics, Wolverhampton University
Imko Meyenburg
Senior Lecturer in Economics and International Business, Anglia Ruskin University
Jo Michell
Associate Professor of Economics, University of the West of England Bristol
Jonathan Michie
Professor of Innovation and Knowledge Exchange, University of Oxford
Johnna Montgomerie
Reader in International Political Economy and Head of Department, European and
International Studies, King’s College London
Simon Mohun
Emeritus Professor of Political Economy, Queen Mary University of London
Richard Murphy
Professor of Practice in International Political Economy, City, University of London
Bona Muzaka
Reader in International Political Economy, King’s College London
Natalya Naqvi
Assistant Professor in International Political Economy, London School of Economics
Susan Newman
Associate Professor in Economics, University of the West of England
Maria Nikolaidi
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Dan O’Neill
Associate Professor in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Ozlem Onaran
Professor of Economics, University of Greenwich
Christine Oughton
Professor of Management Economics, SOAS, University of London
Carlos Oya
Professor of Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Cem Oyvat
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
José Gabriel Palma
Emeritus Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Economics, Cambridge University
John Palmer
Former Political Director, European Policy Centre, Brussels
Alberto Paloni
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Glasgow
Marco Veronese Passarella
Lecturer of Economics, University of Leeds
Jonathan Perraton
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Sheffield
Avinash Persaud
Emeritus Professor, Gresham College; former senior banker, J.P.Morgan and State Street
Ann Pettifor
Director, Policy Research in Macroeconomics (PRIME)
Valentino Piana
Director of the Economics Web Institute
Kate Pickett
Professor of Epidemiology, Deputy Director of the Centre for Future Health, University of
York
Jeff Powell
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Kate Raworth
Senior Associate, Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford
Hugo Radice
Life Fellow, School of Politics and International Studies, University of Leeds
Howard Reed
Director, Landman Economics
Matteo Rizzo
Senior Lecturer in Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
Pallavi Roy
Lecturer in International Economics, SOAS University of London
Shampa Roy-Mukherjee
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of East London
Josh Ryan-Collins
Head of Research, Institute for Innovation and Public Policy, University College London
Magnus Ryner
Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Alfredo Saad Filho
Professor of Political Economy and International Development, King's College London
Diego Sanchez-Ancochea
Professor of the Political Economy of Development, University of Oxford
Malcolm Sawyer
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University of Leeds
Gregor Semieniuk
Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London; Research Assistant Professor in
Economics, University of Massachusetts Amherst
Marianne Sensier
Research Fellow in Economics, University of Manchester
Mimoza Shabani
Senior Lecturer in Financial Economics, University of East London
Alan Shipman
Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Kalim Siddiqui
Senior Lecturer in International Political Economy, University of Huddersfield
Prem Sikka
Professor of Accounting and Finance, University of Sheffield
Andrew Simms
Co-director, New Weather Institute; Research Associate, Centre for Global Political
Economy, University of Sussex
Pritam Singh
Visiting Scholar, Wolfson College, University of Oxford
Alan Southern
University of Liverpool Management School
Guy Standing
Professorial Research Associate, SOAS, University of London
Julia Steinberger
Professor of Social Ecology and Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Sara Stevano
Postdoctoral Research Associate, European and International Studies, King’s College London
Frances Stewart
Emeritus Professor of Development Economics, University of Oxford
Engelbert Stockhammer
Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Beth Stratford
Fellow at the New Economics Foundation
Hanna Szymborska,
Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Jeff Tan
Associate Professor in Political Economy, Aga Khan University, UK
Paul Temple
Reader in Economics, University of Surrey
Geoff Tily
Senior Economist, Trades Union Congress
Jan Toporowski
Professor of Economics and Finance, SOAS University of London
Daniele Tori
Lecturer in Finance, Open University Business School
Mehmet Ugur
Professor of Economics and Institutions, University of Greenwich
Elvira Uyarra
Reader in Innovation Management and Policy, University of Manchester
Elisa Van Waeyenberge
Senior Lecturer and Co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
Roberto Veneziani
Professor of Economics, Queen Mary University of London
Ragupathy Venkatachalam
Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Bhaskar Vira
Professor of Political Economy and Head of Department of Geography, University of
Cambridge
Robert H. Wade
Professor of Global Political Economy, London School of Economics and Political Science
Geoff Whittam
Reader Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
John Weeks
Professor Emeritus of Development Economics, SOAS University of London
Rafael Wildauer
Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Richard Wilkinson
Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology, University of Nottingham.
Christina Wolf
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Kingston University
Adrian Wood
Emeritus Professor of International Development, University of Oxford
Yuliya Yurchenko
Senior Lecturer in Political Economy, University of Greenwich, UK
The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services.
The results are now plain. We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain — which the economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis.
Given private sector reluctance, what the UK economy needs is a serious injection of public investment, which can in turn leverage private finance attracted by the expectation of higher demand. Such investment needs to be directed into the large-scale and rapid decarbonisation of energy, transport, housing, industry and farming; the support of innovation- and export-oriented businesses; and public services. It is clear that this will require an active and green industrial strategy, aimed at improving productivity and spreading investment across the country.
Experience elsewhere (not least in Germany) suggests a National Investment Bank would greatly help. With long-term real interest rates now negative, it makes basic economic sense for the government to borrow for this, spreading the cost over the generations who will benefit from the assets. As the IMF has acknowledged, when interest payments are low and investment raises economic growth, public debt is sustainable.
At the same time, we need a serious attempt to raise wages and productivity. A higher minimum wage can help do this, alongside tighter regulation of the worst practices in the gig economy. Bringing workers on to company boards and giving them a stake in their companies, as most European countries do in some form, will also help. The UK’s outlier rate of corporation tax can clearly be raised, not least for the highly profitable digital companies.
As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the Labour party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government.
David G. Blanchflower
Bruce V. Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics.
University of Stirling; former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Victoria Chick
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London
Lord Meghnad Desai
Emeritus Professor of Economics, London School of Economics and Political Science
Stephany Griffith-Jones
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex;
Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University
Simon Wren-Lewis
Emeritus Professor of Economics and Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford
Jonathan Aldred
Director of Studies in Economics, Emmanuel College, and Faculty of Economics, University
of Cambridge
Tanweer Ali
Lecturer, Empire State College, State University of New York
Patrick Allen
Chair, Progressive Economy Forum
Carolina Alves
Joan Robinson Research Fellow in Heterodox Economics, Faculty of Economics and Girton
College, University of Cambridge
Antonio Andreoni
Senior Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London
Shawky Arif
Senior Lecturer in International Development, University of Northampton
Joseph Baines
Lecturer of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Kate Bayliss
Senior Research Fellow, SOAS, University of London
Hannah Bargawi
Senior Lecturer and co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
Adotey Bing-Pappoe
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Greenwich University
Peter Bloom
Professor of Management, Essex Business School, University of Essex
Bruno Bonizzi
Senior Lecturer, University of Hertfordshire, Hertfordshire Business School
Dr Alberto Botta
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Andrew Brown
Professor of Economics and Political Economy, University of Leeds
Mark Bryan
Reader in Economics, University of Sheffield
Mike Bull
Reader in Social Enterprise, Manchester Metropolitan University
Jonathan Busch
Research Fellow in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Terry Byres
Professor Emeritus of Political Economy, SOAS, University of London
Robert Calvert Jump
Research Fellow, University of Greenwich
Ha-Joon Chang
Reader, Faculty of Economics, University of Cambridge
John Christensen
Director, Tax Justice Network
David Cobham
Professor of Economics, Heriot-Watt University
Christine Cooper
Professor of Accounting, University of Edinburgh
Christopher Cramer
Professor of the Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Bruce Cronin
Professor of Economic Sociology, University of Greenwich
Andrew Cumbers
Professor of Regional Political Economy, University of Glasgow
Yannis Dafermos
Lecturer in Economics, SOAS University of London
Hulya Dagdeviren
Professor of Economic Development, University of Hertfordshire
William Davies
Professor in Political Economy, Goldsmiths, University of London
Jerome De Henau
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Jonathan Di John
Senior Lecturer, Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Danny Dorling
Halford Mackinder Professor of Geography, University of Oxford
Gary Dymski
Professor of Applied Economics, University of Leeds
Ciaran Driver
Professor of Economics, School of Finance and Management, SOAS, University of London
Trevor Evans
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Berlin School of Economics and Law
Andrew Fanning
Marie Curie Research Fellow, Sustainability Research Institute, University of Leeds
Ben Fine
Emeritus Professor, School of Oriental and African Studies, London
Felix FitzRoy
Emeritus Professor of Economics, School of Economics and Finance, University of St.
Andrews; Research Fellow, IZA, Bonn
Guglielmo Forges Davanzati
Professor of Political Economy, University of Salento and Department of Land Economy,
University of Cambridge
Carlos Fortin
Emeritus Fellow and Research Associate, Institute of Development Studies, University of
Sussex
Vasileios Fouskas
Professor of International Politics and Economics, University of East London
Daniela Gabor
Professor of Economics and Macro-Finance, University of the West of England Bristol
Giorgos Galanis
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Sara Gorgoni
Associate Professor in Economics, University of Greenwich
Ian Gough
Visiting Professor in the Centre for Social Exclusion, London School of Economics
Giorgos Gouzoulis
Research Fellow, University College London
John Grahl
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Middlesex University
Martin Greeley
Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
Alexander Guschanski
Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Hassan Hakimian
Emeritus Professor of Economics, SOAS, London
Barbara Harriss-White
Emeritus Professor, Wolfson College, Oxford
Jostein Hauge
Research Associate at the Institute for Manufacturing, University of Cambridge
Judith Heyer
Emeritus Fellow, Somerville College, Oxford
Ariane Hillig
Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Susan Himmelweit
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Open University
Peter Holmes
Reader in Economics, University of Sussex
Peter Howells
Emeritus Professor of Monetary Economics, UWE Bristol
Leslie Huckfield
Lecturer, Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
Tim Jackson
Professor of Sustainable Development, University of Surrey
Michael Jacobs
Professorial Fellow, Sheffield Political Economy Research Institute, University of Sheffield
Sir Richard Jolly
Emeritus Professor, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex
Emily Jones
Associate Professor in Public Policy, Blavatnik School of Government, University of Oxford
Annina Kaltenbrunner
Associate Professor in the Economics of Globalisation and the International Economy,
University of Leeds
Raphael Kaplinsky
Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, and Honorary Professor,
Science Policy Research Unit, University of Sussex
Ewa Karwowski
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Hertfordshire
Steve Keen
Honorary Professor, University College London
Effie Kesidou
Associate Professor in Applied Economics, University of Leeds
Mushtaq Khan
Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
Andy Kilmister
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Oxford Brookes University
Suzanne J Konzelmann
Reader in Management, Birkbeck, University of London
Sunil Mitra Kumar
Lecturer in Economics, King’s College London
Ingrid Harvold Kvangraven
Lecturer in International Development, University of York
Neil Lancastle
Senior Lecturer, Accounting and Finance, De Montfort University
Stewart Lansley
Visiting Fellow, University of Bristol
Costas Lapavitsas
Professor of Economics, SOAS, University of London
Clive Lawson
Director of Studies in Economics, Girton College Cambridge
Jane Lethbridge
Principal Lecturer, Business Faculty, University of Greenwich
Merle Lipton
Visiting Research Fellow at King's College London
Michael Lipton
Emeritus Professor of Economics, Sussex University
Emanuele Lobina
Principal Lecturer, Public Services International Research Unit, University of Greenwich
Lorena Lombardozzi
Lecturer in Economics, The Open University
Pedro Mendes Loureiro
Lecturer in Latin American Studies, University of Cambridge
Terry McKinley
Professor of Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
Laurie Macfarlane
Head of Patient Finance, UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose
Maureen Mackintosh
Professor of Economics, The Open University
Julia Martin-Ortegqa
Professor of Ecological Economics, University of Leeds, UK
Paul Mason
Visiting Professor of Economics, Wolverhampton University
Imko Meyenburg
Senior Lecturer in Economics and International Business, Anglia Ruskin University
Jo Michell
Associate Professor of Economics, University of the West of England Bristol
Jonathan Michie
Professor of Innovation and Knowledge Exchange, University of Oxford
Johnna Montgomerie
Reader in International Political Economy and Head of Department, European and
International Studies, King’s College London
Simon Mohun
Emeritus Professor of Political Economy, Queen Mary University of London
Richard Murphy
Professor of Practice in International Political Economy, City, University of London
Bona Muzaka
Reader in International Political Economy, King’s College London
Natalya Naqvi
Assistant Professor in International Political Economy, London School of Economics
Susan Newman
Associate Professor in Economics, University of the West of England
Maria Nikolaidi
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Dan O’Neill
Associate Professor in Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Ozlem Onaran
Professor of Economics, University of Greenwich
Christine Oughton
Professor of Management Economics, SOAS, University of London
Carlos Oya
Professor of Political Economy of Development, SOAS, University of London
Cem Oyvat
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
José Gabriel Palma
Emeritus Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Economics, Cambridge University
John Palmer
Former Political Director, European Policy Centre, Brussels
Alberto Paloni
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Glasgow
Marco Veronese Passarella
Lecturer of Economics, University of Leeds
Jonathan Perraton
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Sheffield
Avinash Persaud
Emeritus Professor, Gresham College; former senior banker, J.P.Morgan and State Street
Ann Pettifor
Director, Policy Research in Macroeconomics (PRIME)
Valentino Piana
Director of the Economics Web Institute
Kate Pickett
Professor of Epidemiology, Deputy Director of the Centre for Future Health, University of
York
Jeff Powell
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Kate Raworth
Senior Associate, Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford
Hugo Radice
Life Fellow, School of Politics and International Studies, University of Leeds
Howard Reed
Director, Landman Economics
Matteo Rizzo
Senior Lecturer in Development Studies, SOAS, University of London
Pallavi Roy
Lecturer in International Economics, SOAS University of London
Shampa Roy-Mukherjee
Senior Lecturer in Economics, University of East London
Josh Ryan-Collins
Head of Research, Institute for Innovation and Public Policy, University College London
Magnus Ryner
Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Alfredo Saad Filho
Professor of Political Economy and International Development, King's College London
Diego Sanchez-Ancochea
Professor of the Political Economy of Development, University of Oxford
Malcolm Sawyer
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University of Leeds
Gregor Semieniuk
Lecturer in Economics, SOAS, University of London; Research Assistant Professor in
Economics, University of Massachusetts Amherst
Marianne Sensier
Research Fellow in Economics, University of Manchester
Mimoza Shabani
Senior Lecturer in Financial Economics, University of East London
Alan Shipman
Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Kalim Siddiqui
Senior Lecturer in International Political Economy, University of Huddersfield
Prem Sikka
Professor of Accounting and Finance, University of Sheffield
Andrew Simms
Co-director, New Weather Institute; Research Associate, Centre for Global Political
Economy, University of Sussex
Pritam Singh
Visiting Scholar, Wolfson College, University of Oxford
Alan Southern
University of Liverpool Management School
Guy Standing
Professorial Research Associate, SOAS, University of London
Julia Steinberger
Professor of Social Ecology and Ecological Economics, University of Leeds
Sara Stevano
Postdoctoral Research Associate, European and International Studies, King’s College London
Frances Stewart
Emeritus Professor of Development Economics, University of Oxford
Engelbert Stockhammer
Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London
Beth Stratford
Fellow at the New Economics Foundation
Hanna Szymborska,
Lecturer in Economics, Open University
Jeff Tan
Associate Professor in Political Economy, Aga Khan University, UK
Paul Temple
Reader in Economics, University of Surrey
Geoff Tily
Senior Economist, Trades Union Congress
Jan Toporowski
Professor of Economics and Finance, SOAS University of London
Daniele Tori
Lecturer in Finance, Open University Business School
Mehmet Ugur
Professor of Economics and Institutions, University of Greenwich
Elvira Uyarra
Reader in Innovation Management and Policy, University of Manchester
Elisa Van Waeyenberge
Senior Lecturer and Co-Head of Department of Economics, SOAS University of London
Roberto Veneziani
Professor of Economics, Queen Mary University of London
Ragupathy Venkatachalam
Lecturer in Economics, Goldsmiths, University of London
Bhaskar Vira
Professor of Political Economy and Head of Department of Geography, University of
Cambridge
Robert H. Wade
Professor of Global Political Economy, London School of Economics and Political Science
Geoff Whittam
Reader Glasgow School for Business and Society, Glasgow Caledonian University
John Weeks
Professor Emeritus of Development Economics, SOAS University of London
Rafael Wildauer
Lecturer in Economics, University of Greenwich
Richard Wilkinson
Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology, University of Nottingham.
Christina Wolf
Senior Lecturer in Economics, Kingston University
Adrian Wood
Emeritus Professor of International Development, University of Oxford
Yuliya Yurchenko
Senior Lecturer in Political Economy, University of Greenwich, UK
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