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The Iranian civil aviation chief said this morning that the investigation might take up to two years ... and that the result will NOT be a downing by a missile.
I mean ... why should the world keep cooperating with the regime in the investigation under these preconditions?#PS752 pic.twitter.com/yVV3SdjSvw

— Julian Röpcke (@JulianRoepcke) January 10, 2020

Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752
Aircraft type Boeing 737-8KV

He also says Ukrainian investigators haven't been shown passenger seats or pilots' cabin fragments. No evidence that supports the Iran's version of technical failure has been provided. Today Ukrainians should get access to radar data though.

— Olga Tokariuk (@olgatokariuk) January 10, 2020

This is NOT what a crash site should look like barely 2 days after an unresolved incident. pic.twitter.com/605piQpoM4

— Christo Grozev (@christogrozev) January 10, 2020

Iran has maintained that there was no evidence that the plane was struck by a missile and doubled down on that assertion on Friday, despite western officials pointing to intelligence suggesting the passenger jet was accidentally hit by a missile.

Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization chief, Ali Abedzadeh, speaking during a Friday news conference, urged caution and said that nothing could be determined until the data from the black boxes was analyzed and said statements made by other nations were politically motivated.
But, he added, what could be said was that the plane had not been hit by a missile and was likely on fire before it crashed. He also urged nations with intelligence on the crash, namely the United States and Canada, to share that information with Iran.

“We cannot just give you speculation,” Mr. Abedzadeh said in footage televised and translated on Iranian state television. “So far what I can tell you is that the plane has not been hit by a missile, and we have to look for the cause of the fire.”

Hassan Rezaeifar, the head of the Iranian investigation team, said during the same news conference that it could take more than a month to process the data recovered from the flight recorders and that the investigation could take up to two years. He also noted that Ukraine, France, Canada, and Russia have all said they are willing to assist Iran with the data extraction, and Tehran will send the black box to one of these countries if it fails to retrieve the data.

Normally, Iran has the capacity to download black box data, but Mr. Rezaeifar said that since the devices had been damaged, it would be difficult to extract information.

“We need special software and hardware which are available in our country, but if we fail to extract the data due to the damages of the black box, we will get help from other countries,” he said.

The black box will begin to be evaluated on Friday, Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency reported, “to assess and check whether it is possible to reconstruct and analyze the information inside the country.” State television aired footage that it said showed the two black boxes that were recovered from the crash site.

Yuriy Butusov
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"The wreckage is bulldozed, is Iran interested in a quality investigation?" - ...a source in the Ukrainian Interagency Commission...

Source Censor.net from the interdepartmental commission investigating the plane crash in Iran reports information as of 12.00:

"The second day we are at the crash site. One group went to Iran's Air Traffic Control Center to finally get access to radar recordings. The second team is at the wreckage collection site.

Is Iran interested in a quality investigation? It's not clear. The details of the aircraft continue to be bulldozed and delivered to the assembly site. There is a crowd of different people in uniform and without uniforms at the crash site, hundreds of people are collecting and taking away fragments of the plane, this cannot be controlled. The bulldozer dumps the fragments without any order on the parts dump, from which experts need to extract the parts and lay out the remains of the body. When bulldozed, it is impossible to ensure the safety of parts that are important for understanding the situation. It would be logical to photograph the place of the fall, to identify some of the fragments, and to take them out and lay them out with care. How do you prove, for example, the nature of the explosion if the bulldozer can already cause new damage to the hull fragments? Iranians are literate educated people, they can't help but understand it.

So far, we have not been provided with fragments of the bow of the liner and the cockpit. No passenger seats. We don't understand, we're not being shown the cockpit because they're studying something for themselves, or because it's completely destroyed by the explosion?

To date, we have not been presented with any evidence of the version that Iran originally put forward - about the technical reasons for the incident.

So, what is clear to us at this point, as I see it:

Iran has so far not provided any evidence of its original version of the alleged "technical reasons" for the destruction of the aircraft.
- No radar records have been provided showing that the aircraft is allegedly turning towards the airport;
- No record of pilots' conversations with dispatchers where pilots could report technical problems;
- There are no facts of problems with the technical condition of the aircraft from airport ground services.

2. The Iranian authorities have been negligent in gathering evidence, which may make it difficult to establish the truth.

3. 3. New questions arise on which Iran should have provided reasoned answers.
- which Thor SAMs were near the airport that night, in what condition?
- who and why was filming from the ground on the phone when the plane exploded and crashed?
- Was the attack on the liner an accidental mistake, or a deliberate act of terror?

Sotir wrote:Иранци имају право да воде истрагу.

Sotir wrote:Реално гледано, снимци са ракетама су постављени анонимно преко нета

The United Nations said Friday that it has video evidence appearing to show Iranian security forces "shooting to kill" protesters during Iran's latest wave of demonstrations.
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Iranians took to the streets in mid-November, shortly after the government announced an increase in fuel prices by as much as 300%. The exact death toll in the protests remains unclear as the government has withheld these numbers.

The UN Human Rights Office said it had information suggesting that at least 208 people were killed, including 13 women and 12 children. It said at least 7,000 have reportedly been arrested across the country. The government imposed a nationwide internet shutdown for over a week.

Sotir wrote:По снимцима се положај ПВО система Тор налази у близини места где је погођен авион. Ту су им нека војна постројења. Али ту је и рута којом углавном иду авиони који узлећу са оближњег аеродрома. Морао би да буде озбиљан зајеб да би гађали авион. Нпр да су пребацили на аутоматско гађање у периодима кад нема цивилних авиона (а украјински Боинг је каснио сат времена на полетању, плус је мало скренуо са курса).

AZ-5 wrote:ma mogo je biti i airbus ili bilo koji drugi, od rakete ne bi pobego

Short footage of the recorders was released by Iranian media on Friday. The black boxes — that are actually bright orange — are seen sitting inside a crate, handled by the officials with the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO).

The flight data recorder appears to be largely intact, yet it’s quite charred and has a handful of visible dents in its body. The cockpit voice recorder, for its part, appears to be missing most of its assembly — only the data storage itself is seen in the crate.

Graham Braithwaite, professor of safety and accident investigation at Cranfield University, has said the Iranian handling of the crash site, including the apparent quick removal of evidence, raised “serious concerns over the integrity of the investigation”.

“Where you have flight recorders that tell you what has happened you can move quickly to clearing the site,” he said. “But if the recorders are damaged [as the Iranians have said] then all you have is the forensic evidence at the site to tell you the story.”
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Braithwaite, who teaches a course in air accident investigations, said he was surprised that the Iranians had moved to clear the crash site before other interested parties, including Ukrainian, Canadian and other technical investigators had been able to make their own examination, which he said he would have been expected under annex 13 of the Chicago convention, the international agreement that sets out protocols for crash inquiries.

CBS crew just visited the #Ukrainian airlines crash site west of Tehran. Nine am local time. Virtually all pieces of the plane were removed yesterday - say locals. Scavengers now picking site clean. No security. Not cordoned off. No sign of any investigators. pic.twitter.com/hhNJyokhjq

— Elizabeth Palmer (@elizapalmer) January 10, 2020

The Iranian military was so apprehensive about the threat of an Israeli airstrike on its nuclear installations in 2007 and 2008 that it mistakenly fired on civilian airliners and, in one instance, on one of its own military aircraft, according to classified American intelligence reports.

The civilian planes were fired on by surface-to-air missiles and antiaircraft batteries and intercepted by Iranian fighter jets.

“Iranian air defense units have taken inappropriate actions dozens of times, including firing antiaircraft artillery and scrambling aircraft against unidentified or misidentified targets,” noted a heavily classified Pentagon intelligence report, which added that the Iranian military’s communications were so inadequate and its training deficiencies so significant that  “misidentification of aircraft will continue.”
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In Iran, air defense units were edgy, fearing that an enemy aircraft might try to mimic the flight profile of a civilian airliner, according to a classified Pentagon assessment.

The combination of heightened vigilance and poor command and control led to series of mistakes, according to a highly classified 2008 Pentagon report on “Operational Mishaps by Air Defense Units.”

In June 2007, the report noted, a Revolutionary Guards air defense unit fired a TOR-M1 surface-to-air missile at a civilian airliner. In May 2008, an antiaircraft battery fired on an Iranian reconnaissance drone and a civilian airliner. That same month, an antiaircraft battery fired on an Iranian F-14 fighter jet.
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In June 2008, soon after the Israeli air exercise, Iranian air defense units fired at two more civilian aircraft. In one instance, an Iranian F-4 fighter scrambled to intercept an Iraqi Airways flight from Baghdad to Tehran to visually inspect the passenger plane. The Iraqi Airways plane was not harmed.

"Based on the information from the MIVD (Dutch military intelligence), we can state that it is likely that an Iranian anti-aircraft missile has led to the crash of the aircraft," defence minister Ank Bijleveld was quoted as saying by a spokesman after a cabinet meeting.
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Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said separately in Brussels that it was "indeed very likely that the plane has been shot down by Iranian missiles".

Asked whether Iran should face EU sanctions, Blok said it was "important that independent research makes clear what exactly happened".