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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:59 pm

    Znaci u najranijem slucaju, kako sad stvari stoje, izaci ce iz EU 1.1.2020. Referendum je bio u junu 2016. Samo ta cinjenica ce skoro svim politicarima u EU izbiti iz glave ideju o napustanju iste.
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    Post by Guest Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:14 pm

    tekst u tajmsu malo šta kaže o laburistima. podeljeni, nema strategije ni jasne poruke, otprilike se čeka da se ulupaju. videćemo.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:42 pm

     otprilike se čeka da se ulupaju

    otprilike...

    ali moguce je da svaka stranka ima neki kec u rukavu u slucaju da bude izbora (a vrv hoce). Mislim, jedina predizborna kombinacija koja je iskljucena je LibDems-LAB. Mislim da je nula sanse za to. Mada bice sajtova koji ce rimejnerima "crtati" za koga da glasaju na njihovom mestu ako hoce da ne pobedi torijevci. S druge strane Momentum ce svetski zaleci za Labour, takvu masinu mladih ljudi nema nijedna druga stranka. Bice haos, definitivno. Torijevci pobedjuju...rekao bih 75% no zabava je zagarantovana.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:58 pm

    U međuvremenu kod Laburista manja neslaganja...


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:30 pm

    Nov neresiv problem i nova nadljudska bitka - izbori 9. decembra ili 12. decembra. 

    Mislim, postoje argumenti pro et contra, but...seriously?
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    Post by паће Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:35 pm

    Како рече онај у вицу, "пробуд'ме кад буде пичка 100 динара".


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    Post by Zuper Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:59 am

    Idu izbori u decembru, laburisti prihvatili.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:12 pm

    Downing Street had said it planned to call for a 12 December general election in its one-line bill, but a No 10 source said on Tuesday it would be prepared to accept an amendment, if proposed by the Lib Dems and SNP, for an election one day earlier, on 11 December.

    A Lib Dem source said they had not been directly approached by the government, but would be willing to consider the 11 December date. The SNP said no decision had yet been taken.

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    sa 9. se pomerili na 11, napredak
    to su sreda i četvrtak, koja je jebena razlika.
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    Post by bemty Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:13 pm

    britanija ima svoje prioritete. 

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    Post by rumbeando Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:13 pm

    Channel 4 Dispatches
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    THREAD: 1/10 Dispatches has found that secret meetings have taken place between senior civil servants and representatives of US pharmaceutical firms where the price the NHS pays for its drugs has been discussed.

    2/10 A source with knowledge of the trade talks told Dispatches that British trade negotiators have already held six official meetings with their US counterparts to talk about what might be in any trade deal.

    3/10 Precise details of what has been discussed has been kept strictly confidential. But a Whitehall source has told us that drug pricing has been on the table in all six meetings.

    4/10 The source told Dispatches how US drugs firms have been given direct access to British trade officials.

    5/10 Dispatches has been told that as well as meeting with the US government, senior British trade officials have held face-to-face meetings with representatives of US drug firms, none of which have been declared.

    6/10 Our source also told us that there have been five secret meetings between senior British civil servants and the US pharma industry. Two in Washington and three in London.

    7/10 The most recent being in August after Boris Johnson had become Prime Minister. The source told us that drug “price caps” were discussed in at least one of these meetings.

    8/10 We asked the Department for International Trade for a response on what we’ve discovered.

    9/10 They said: “The sustainability of the NHS is an absolute priority for the government. We could not agree to any proposals or medicines pricing or access that would put NHS finances at risk or reduce clinician and patient choice.”

    10/10 On Dispatches, we discover how the President’s allies and US drug giants want to force the NHS to pay more for US medicines.
    https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1188831701654482945
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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:21 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:40 pm

    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:56 pm

    Gargantua wrote:
    Downing Street had said it planned to call for a 12 December general election in its one-line bill, but a No 10 source said on Tuesday it would be prepared to accept an amendment, if proposed by the Lib Dems and SNP, for an election one day earlier, on 11 December.

    A Lib Dem source said they had not been directly approached by the government, but would be willing to consider the 11 December date. The SNP said no decision had yet been taken.

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    sa 9. se pomerili na 11, napredak
    to su sreda i četvrtak, koja je jebena razlika.

    Poceli su sa 12 unapred znajuci da bi prihvatili 11, umetnost pregovaranja  UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 33 2304934895

    doveli su kompletnu stvar do apsurda
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:58 pm

    rumbeando wrote:

    To je tacno, ali je i dalje daleko demokratskije nego da se neki deal takve vaznosti usvoji sa tipa 315-314 u Parlamentu.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:30 pm

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:50 pm

    Ok, ali koji je jebeni plan?

    Jel mozete onda da se dogovorite da svi glasate za 2ndRef? Ne mozete. 

    Rekao bi covek da je ideja da prodje Brexit (mada, naravno, brexit nikada nece "proci") i da onda se bace na voljene teme. Ali - upravo leva frakcija stranke je ZA izbore. Ili ih rimejneri u stranci ucenjuju necim u izbornom manifestu...ne vredi, ovo je zaplet unutar potke unutar fabule unutar diskursa(tm) unutar...
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:01 pm

    pa za lejbor centriste i rimejnere sve je luz-luz osim drugog referenduma


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm

    Ja mislim da Momentum moze da razbije kampanju. To su ljudi 20-30 godina, nista njima ne smeta nikakve kise i oluje.
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm

    Kaže Đeza bit će kampanja kakvu svijet nije vidio.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 pm

    otto katz wrote:kakvu svijet nije vidio.

    Pola stranke prica jedno, pola drugo?  UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 33 1233199462
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:27 pm

    MPs have passed a proposal which makes it easier for them to alter the Government's election bill which could pave the way for under 18s or EU citizens to have a vote.
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    The Government had wanted to prevent MPs from tabling their own amendments to the Bill as there were suggestions they could use it to drastically alter election rules.

    But it was defeated in a Commons vote on the matter, with MPs supporting a plan put forward by Labour MP Stella Creasy by 312 votes to 295, majority 17.
    ...
    This will allow MPs to add their own changes to the bill which could set out a specific date for the poll or extend voting rights to younger people or EU nationals.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/mps-pass-stella-creasy-amendment-general-election-bill-821604

    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will cancel plans to hold a snap election if parliament votes to lower the voting age or allows European Union citizens to vote because this will mean a six-month delay, his political spokesman said.
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-election-johnson/pm-will-cancel-election-plans-if-voting-age-is-lowered-idUKKBN1X81W2?rpc=401&
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:32 pm

    Veliko je pitanje da li bi uspeli da izglasaju rezoluciju kojom bi se utvrdilo da je danas utorak
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:33 pm

    Morat će ih u nekom trenutku EU gurnuti s litice, inače će brexitirati do sudnjeg dana.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:35 pm

    otto katz wrote:Morat će ih u nekom trenutku EU gurnuti s litice, inače će brexitirati do sudnjeg dana.

    Kraljica je poglavar crkve tako da pna donosi odluku o tomu da je dosao sudnji dan. Ali ona proglasava samo ono sto odobri Parlament...
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