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    Post by kondo Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:07 am

    Gargamel wrote:
    bruno sulak wrote:cekaj ovde pricamo o predgovoru hobsonovoj knjizi? sta je sledece?
    ....
    viđao ja takve likove ovde. nose ljudi palestinske šalove, ali se povremeno nađe i neki koledž student koji pokušava da priča engleski sa arapskim naglaskom. klinci, prašta im se. Korbin je matora drtina.

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    zajebavaš garant ili pokušavaš pajtonima da prodaš foru.


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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:17 am

    William Murderface wrote:Budale, mnogo je bolje solidarisati se sa jačima.

    Jeste li nekad videli bogataša koji leti avionom da baca papir na trotoar ili vlasnika limuzine da zaluta u prljavi kvart i tamo baci koru od lubenice? Zbog toga sam zavoleo bogataše, a zamrzeo one druge.
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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:23 am

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    Post by boomer crook Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:24 am

    Gargamel wrote:
    bruno sulak wrote:zasto obama ne njukuje asada zarad dzihadista (posto su ostali samo oni da se ne zezamo) a onda prelazis na zasto JC polagao na grobove ljudi koje isti ti dzihadisti drze ono herojima.
    prvo, kada je Obama mogao da učini nešto kontra Asada, nisu bili samo džihadisti. naprotiv, uspon džihadista je dobrim delom posledica toga što je Obama faktički (tj. postupcima na terenu, ne verbalno) podržao Asada.

    drugo, bitno je kome tačno polažeš venac. koliko god bio ili ne bio pro-palestinski nastrojen, polaganje venca članovima Crnog septembra je potpuno suludo. to što će ih Palestinci možda smatrati herojima, nije na meni da sudim - da sam ja kojim slučajem Palestinac, možda bih i ja kao oni. ali nisam Palestinac, i solidarnost sa Palestincima ne uključuje odavanje počasti ili drugarstvo sa potpunim manijacima.

    pa je Korbin koji odaje počast manijacima ili tup k'o qrac pa ne zna kome i zašto polaže venac ili pak kompletan ludak ubeđen u to da tu nema ničeg spornog. nema trećeg.

    on nije glup vec dosledan anti-imperijalista. to je po meni pozicija koje moze biti problematicna ali nije "glupa".
    dosledni anti-imperijalisti su često i antisemiti, ako se Izrael i/ili Jevreji posmatraju isključivo kao otelotvorenje imperijalizma i sluge krupnog kapitala. pa se i svaki problem na Bliskom istoku tretira kao nekakva izraelska (dakle, imperijalistička) ujdurma.

    prvo nije polagao clanovima crnog septembra. 

    On 15 August 2018 the Daily Mail claimed that Corbyn had instead been pictured 15 yards (14 m) away from the memorial for the air strike victims while holding a wreath near the graves of Salah Khalaf and Atef Bseiso (senior leaders of Fatah and PLO in the early 1970s) who were accused of having links to the Black September Organization responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics, in which eleven Israeli Olympic team members were taken hostage and killed in addition to a West German police officer

    drugo, dizhadisti i razlicite frakcije politickog islama su od pocetka prisutne. znaci doslovce su u pitanju glavosece i ljudi koji se slikaju dok komadaju leseve kurdskih politicarki. i to svako ko je malo pratio tu scenu je to razumeo. da, postojala je i gradjanska/leva struja ali je ona u krvi zatucena od tih istih dzihadista. mislim prema njima crni septembar deluje kao periklovo doba.

    trece, jedino ako su ti skinsi dosledni anti-imperijalisti.

    dakle sta imamo ovde:

    1. nije polagao venac na grob clanovima crnog septembra vec su venci polozeni na groblje zrtvama bombardovanja.
    2. na tom groblju su sahranjeni i lideri PLO i fataha za koje se veruje da imaju veze sa napadom u minhenu.
    3. cela prica je konstruisana na osnovu merenja udaljenosti u koracima novinara daily faila korbina od doticnih grobova, polozaja ruku i cela ta stvar.
    4. predgovor antisemitskoj knjizi iz 1902. godine koja zapravo i nije antisemitska posto je autor antisemita rekonvalsecent. ja ga ne bih pisao ali ja nisam tupavi trockista.

    dakle ovo je ono bas sibanje mrtvog konja.


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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:15 am

    William Murderface wrote:Budale, mnogo je bolje solidarisati se sa jačima.
    povremeno valja ćutati.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-blamed-zionist-lobby-for-blood-libel-cleric-raed-salah-s-expulsion-from-the-uk-1.482455
    In a 2011 article for the far-left Morning Star, the future Labour leader attacked papers, including the JC, for promoting "hysteria" about Mr Salah, saying it was “time that Western governments stood up to the Zionist lobby which seems to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism”.
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    In 2007, during a speech at an East Jerusalem protest, Mr Salah was quoted as saying: “We have never allowed ourselves to knead [the dough for] the bread that breaks the fast in the holy month of Ramadan with children's blood. Whoever wants a more thorough explanation, let him ask what used to happen to some children in Europe, whose blood was mixed in with the dough of the [Jewish] holy bread.”


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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:24 am

    bruno sulak wrote:prvo nije polagao clanovima crnog septembra.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45196409
    Attention has focused on a 2014 Morning Star article, in which he wrote that "wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991".
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    Atef Bseiso was killed in Paris in 1992, and Salah Khalaf was assassinated in Tunisia in 1991.


    drugo, džihadisti i razlicite frakcije politickog islama su od pocetka prisutne. znaci doslovce su u pitanju glavosece i ljudi koji se slikaju dok komadaju leseve kurdskih politicarki.
    politički islamisti i džihadisti su dve sasvim različite stvari, a tipovi koji su krenuli u pobunu 2011-e nisu isti koji ovih dana prave sranja Kurdima. neki od potonjih su 2011-e imali 13 ili 14 godina.
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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:00 am

    Kondo wrote:zajebavaš garant ili pokušavaš pajtonima da prodaš foru.
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/04/thin-controller
    He spent his gap year with friends in Lebanon, then in the throes of civil war. There, he learned Arabic, heard shots fired in anger, escaped from a blown-up building and was briefly captured by militiamen.
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    “He spent his entire time at Balliol,” a college contemporary recalls, “wearing a Mao jacket and talking with a fake ­Palestinian accent. It was like performance art, the sort of thing Gilbert and George would do."
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    Post by kondo Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:43 am

    džilbert end džordž, pajtoni, kurac, palac, kruševac, kraljevo


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    Post by паће Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:45 am

    Kondo wrote:džilbert end džordž, pajtoni, kurac, palac, kruševac, kraljevo

    Није Џилберт него Гилберт, ги се чита као ги увек кад је на почетку имена осим кад је име женско или италијанско. Дакле Гилијам, Гидеон, Гилберт, Гилигили...


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    Post by Anduril Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:21 pm

    Preliva se iz Brexit partije prema Torijima posle prodaje Faraza. 
    LD i LAB zajedno imaju i dalje vise od Torija, ali morace i kod njih da padne takticko glasanje.
    Bilo bi zabavno da hard Toriji dobiju madzoriti, a onda sledecih nekoliko godina kriza i raspad. 
    Progutace penzosi i to, umirace po listama za operacije NHS-a i jesti korenje kao u dobra stara vremena kad su odrastali.
    Skotska da se odvoji a mladji i obrazovaniji Englezi nek se sele za Evropu - sto da placaju penzije i zdravstvo ljudima koji su im se sistematski usrali u zivot.
    Za otvorenije EU drzave je ovo verovatno i najbolja strategija protiv ovih neofastista koji nicu svuda - udari im sankcije (posebno finansijske da se stopiraju razne doznake) 
    da uzivaju u carima nacionalisticke privrede ali zato otvori granice da ljudi mogu sto brze da pobegnu.
    Jedna Madjarska bi se raspala u roku od godinu dana.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am


    https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/80349?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss

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    On both sides, modest attempts are being made to prevent perverse results. The Brexit Party has decided not to field candidates against incumbent Conservative MPs. In May 2019, the party came top in the UK election to the European Parliament with 31 percent of the vote, although the latest polls show that its support has fallen below 10 percent. Its decision to give incumbent Conservatives a free run will probably make little difference.

    However, the Brexit Party’s greatest support tends to be in Labour-held areas that voted to leave the EU in 2016 and that the Conservatives are targeting. By still standing in these seats, the Brexit Party will siphon off some pro-Brexit votes, mainly from the Conservatives. If the Brexit Party wins only 5 or 10 percent in these areas, it could help Labour retain seats it would otherwise lose to the Conservatives.

    On the anti-Brexit side of the scales, the Lib Dems have agreed an election pact with the Greens and Plaid Cymru in sixty seats (out of the total 650 seats in the House of Commons) where only one of the three parties will field a candidate. As with the Brexit Party’s decision, this pact is likely to affect the outcome in very few of these seats.

    This means that in virtually every constituency there will be at least two anti-Brexit parties—Labour and either the Lib Dems, Greens, or Plaid Cymru. In Scotland, the Scottish National Party, another anti-Brexit Party, will also stand, giving anti-Brexit voters there a choice of three candidates.

    The upshot is that through the United Kingdom, in its first-past-the-post system, the anti-Brexit vote will be more divided than the pro-Brexit vote.

    One factor could prevent a clear Conservative majority in the new Parliament: tactical voting. If all anti-Brexit voters back their preferred party, Johnson can look forward to a comfortable victory next month. However, there are non-party campaigns to prevent this by trying to persuade millions of anti-Brexit voters not to vote for their preferred party, but for the local candidate with the best chance of defeating the Conservatives. If these campaigns succeed, they could deprive the Conservatives of twenty to forty seats.

    But that’s a huge “if,” and one that speaks to a larger truth: with four weeks to go, the United Kingdom is experiencing not only its most important election in living memory, but its most unpredictable—and potentially one in which a minority of voters will manage to override the wishes of the majority on the central issue of our times.
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    Post by паће Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:55 am

    ...not only its most important election in living memory, but its most unpredictable—and potentially one in which a minority of voters will manage to override the wishes of the majority on the central issue of our times.

    Јебеш ту већину онда.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:56 pm

    Boris Johnson defends taking money from Russian oligarchs

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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:25 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/concerns-about-antisemitism-mean-we-cannot-vote-labour

    To endorse Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister would be to surrender in the fight against anti-Jewish prejudice, say 24 signatories including John Le Carré, Fay Weldon, Joanna Lumley and William Boyd

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    Opposition to racism cannot include surrender in the fight against antisemitism. Yet that is what it would mean to back Labour and endorse Mr Corbyn for Downing Street. The path to a more tolerant society must encompass Britain’s Jews with unwavering solidarity. We endorse no party. However, we cannot in all conscience urge others to support a political party we ourselves will not. We refuse to vote Labour on 12 December.

    John le Carré (David Cornwell), Fay Weldon, Joanna Lumley, William Boyd, Simon Callow, Antony Beevor, Sathnam Sanghera, Janina Ramirez, Trevor Phillips, Jimmy Wales, Suzannah Lipscomb, Tom Holland, Frederick Forsyth, Peter Frankopan, Ghanem Nuseibeh, Dan Snow, Fiyaz Mughal, Tony Parsons, Dan Jones, Maajid Nawaz, Oz Katerji, Nick Hewer, Ed Husain, Terry Jervis

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