UK - Politika i društvo

Gargamel wrote:

bruno sulak wrote:cekaj ovde pricamo o predgovoru hobsonovoj knjizi? sta je sledece?

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viđao ja takve likove ovde. nose ljudi palestinske šalove, ali se povremeno nađe i neki koledž student koji pokušava da priča engleski sa arapskim naglaskom. klinci, prašta im se. Korbin je matora drtina.

William Murderface wrote:Budale, mnogo je bolje solidarisati se sa jačima.

Gargamel wrote:

bruno sulak wrote:zasto obama ne njukuje asada zarad dzihadista (posto su ostali samo oni da se ne zezamo) a onda prelazis na zasto JC polagao na grobove ljudi koje isti ti dzihadisti drze ono herojima.

prvo, kada je Obama mogao da učini nešto kontra Asada, nisu bili samo džihadisti. naprotiv, uspon džihadista je dobrim delom posledica toga što je Obama faktički (tj. postupcima na terenu, ne verbalno) podržao Asada.

drugo, bitno je kome tačno polažeš venac. koliko god bio ili ne bio pro-palestinski nastrojen, polaganje venca članovima Crnog septembra je potpuno suludo. to što će ih Palestinci možda smatrati herojima, nije na meni da sudim - da sam ja kojim slučajem Palestinac, možda bih i ja kao oni. ali nisam Palestinac, i solidarnost sa Palestincima ne uključuje odavanje počasti ili drugarstvo sa potpunim manijacima.

pa je Korbin koji odaje počast manijacima ili tup k'o qrac pa ne zna kome i zašto polaže venac ili pak kompletan ludak ubeđen u to da tu nema ničeg spornog. nema trećeg.

on nije glup vec dosledan anti-imperijalista. to je po meni pozicija koje moze biti problematicna ali nije "glupa".

dosledni anti-imperijalisti su često i antisemiti, ako se Izrael i/ili Jevreji posmatraju isključivo kao otelotvorenje imperijalizma i sluge krupnog kapitala. pa se i svaki problem na Bliskom istoku tretira kao nekakva izraelska (dakle, imperijalistička) ujdurma.

On 15 August 2018 the Daily Mail claimed that Corbyn had instead been pictured 15 yards (14 m) away from the memorial for the air strike victims while holding a wreath near the graves of Salah Khalaf and Atef Bseiso (senior leaders of Fatah and PLO in the early 1970s) who were accused of having links to the Black September Organization responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics, in which eleven Israeli Olympic team members were taken hostage and killed in addition to a West German police officer

William Murderface wrote:Budale, mnogo je bolje solidarisati se sa jačima.

bruno sulak wrote:prvo nije polagao clanovima crnog septembra.

drugo, džihadisti i razlicite frakcije politickog islama su od pocetka prisutne. znaci doslovce su u pitanju glavosece i ljudi koji se slikaju dok komadaju leseve kurdskih politicarki.

Kondo wrote:zajebavaš garant ili pokušavaš pajtonima da prodaš foru.

Kondo wrote:džilbert end džordž, pajtoni, kurac, palac, kruševac, kraljevo

Latest Westminster voting intention (11-12 Nov, minor methodological change, see following tweet)

Con - 42%
Lab - 28%
Lib Dem - 15%
Brexit Party - 4%
Green - 4%
Other - 7%https://t.co/33vKWh4Cfp pic.twitter.com/K7UujhvToT

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 12, 2019

Latest YouGov favourability figures (11-12 Nov)

Johnson - 43 / 49 (net -6)
Swinson - 24 / 48 (net -24)
Sturgeon - 25 / 57 (net -32)
Farage - 27 / 62 (net -35)
Corbyn - 24 / 66 (net -42)https://t.co/33vKWhmd6X pic.twitter.com/cJ2m9Mbtw0

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 13, 2019

https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/80349?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss

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On both sides, modest attempts are being made to prevent perverse results. The Brexit Party has decided not to field candidates against incumbent Conservative MPs. In May 2019, the party came top in the UK election to the European Parliament with 31 percent of the vote, although the latest polls show that its support has fallen below 10 percent. Its decision to give incumbent Conservatives a free run will probably make little difference.

However, the Brexit Party’s greatest support tends to be in Labour-held areas that voted to leave the EU in 2016 and that the Conservatives are targeting. By still standing in these seats, the Brexit Party will siphon off some pro-Brexit votes, mainly from the Conservatives. If the Brexit Party wins only 5 or 10 percent in these areas, it could help Labour retain seats it would otherwise lose to the Conservatives.

On the anti-Brexit side of the scales, the Lib Dems have agreed an election pact with the Greens and Plaid Cymru in sixty seats (out of the total 650 seats in the House of Commons) where only one of the three parties will field a candidate. As with the Brexit Party’s decision, this pact is likely to affect the outcome in very few of these seats.

This means that in virtually every constituency there will be at least two anti-Brexit parties—Labour and either the Lib Dems, Greens, or Plaid Cymru. In Scotland, the Scottish National Party, another anti-Brexit Party, will also stand, giving anti-Brexit voters there a choice of three candidates.

The upshot is that through the United Kingdom, in its first-past-the-post system, the anti-Brexit vote will be more divided than the pro-Brexit vote.

One factor could prevent a clear Conservative majority in the new Parliament: tactical voting. If all anti-Brexit voters back their preferred party, Johnson can look forward to a comfortable victory next month. However, there are non-party campaigns to prevent this by trying to persuade millions of anti-Brexit voters not to vote for their preferred party, but for the local candidate with the best chance of defeating the Conservatives. If these campaigns succeed, they could deprive the Conservatives of twenty to forty seats.

But that’s a huge “if,” and one that speaks to a larger truth: with four weeks to go, the United Kingdom is experiencing not only its most important election in living memory, but its most unpredictable—and potentially one in which a minority of voters will manage to override the wishes of the majority on the central issue of our times.

...not only its most important election in living memory, but its most unpredictable—and potentially one in which a minority of voters will manage to override the wishes of the majority on the central issue of our times.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/concerns-about-antisemitism-mean-we-cannot-vote-labour

To endorse Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister would be to surrender in the fight against anti-Jewish prejudice, say 24 signatories including John Le Carré, Fay Weldon, Joanna Lumley and William Boyd

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Opposition to racism cannot include surrender in the fight against antisemitism. Yet that is what it would mean to back Labour and endorse Mr Corbyn for Downing Street. The path to a more tolerant society must encompass Britain’s Jews with unwavering solidarity. We endorse no party. However, we cannot in all conscience urge others to support a political party we ourselves will not. We refuse to vote Labour on 12 December.

John le Carré (David Cornwell), Fay Weldon, Joanna Lumley, William Boyd, Simon Callow, Antony Beevor, Sathnam Sanghera, Janina Ramirez, Trevor Phillips, Jimmy Wales, Suzannah Lipscomb, Tom Holland, Frederick Forsyth, Peter Frankopan, Ghanem Nuseibeh, Dan Snow, Fiyaz Mughal, Tony Parsons, Dan Jones, Maajid Nawaz, Oz Katerji, Nick Hewer, Ed Husain, Terry Jervis