UK - Politika i društvo

Pa produzice. 

A na izborima, ako ih bude, ce najbolje proci oni koji veruju u ono sto govore, a to su Tories i LibDems. I SNP, naravno.

Cekaj, sta je ovaj genije uradio, prosto sklonio Brexit sa dnevnog reda do kraja nedelje??? 

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Labour MPs who voted for the government’s Brexit deal at second reading this evening have called for more time to discuss it at committee stage. Gareth Snell has said:

The injury inflicted this evening was a mere flesh wound, and if the Leader of the House was willing to bring forward a motion tomorrow with a more considered timetable for committee stage, it would pass this House.

Some of us voted for second reading precisely so we could get on to the next stage for more scrutiny, and didn’t support the programme motion because we did not believe there was sufficient time.

His fellow Labour MP, Ruth Smeeth, said:

All we’re asking for is the opportunity to ensure that the deal which was only presented to us last night works for our constituents and my local economy – we need slightly more time.

Speaking in the Commons, Lucy Powell told the Leader of the House:

We could have a lot longer on committee stage and he could bring forward tomorrow morning a fresh programme motion which allows us longer in committee for us to actually put amendments in a timely fashion.

Jacob Rees-Mogg replied:

I am not unsympathetic to the point about time, it is simply the deadline of 31 October which was set by the European Union and, therefore, we are compressed in the time available to get this bill delivered, which is why I was willing to support the programme motion and felt that it was reasonable under the circumstances.

Ovo je gadno citati i gledati.


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Following PM @BorisJohnson’s decision to pause the process of ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement, and in order to avoid a no-deal #Brexit, I will recommend the EU27 accept the UK request for an extension. For this I will propose a written procedure.

— Donald Tusk (@eucopresident) October 22, 2019

Sporazum o izlasku je izglasan ali to ne mora puno da znaci ako se promeni amandmanima a to je jedan od razloga duzeg vremenskog perioda koji se trazi.
Dzonson sada ceka odluku EU i onda ce verovatno na izbore gde ce moci da mase kako sporazumom tako i tome da je on izglasan sto Mej nikada nije uradila.

A French diplo official says:
“will see at the end of the week if a purely technical extension of a few days is necessary, to finish this parliamentary procedure. But outside these circumstances, an extension to buy time or to discuss the agreement again is excluded.” #Brexit https://t.co/xx4L7tpEpq

— Rym Momtaz ريم ممتاز (@RymMomtaz) October 22, 2019

^^Ma to nije sporno. Realno, pokusavam, ali problem mi je da vidim "put" do poraza Torijevcima na eventualnim izborima. Jedino moze ono - glasaci prosto umeju ponekad da iznenade prosto eto tako. Mogu da se eventualno ujedine LD i Greens, ali i to je jedva 26-27%, plus je pitanje da li bi bas svi Greens glasali za to, plus bi, sinergijski, samo Laburistima uzeli jos remain glasova. 

Laburistima je potpuno uzaludno koprcanje oko Brexita. Torijevci ce ici sa kampanjom da ko glasa za Labour dobija remain koaliciju ako torijevci izgube. I to je tacno. Ako slucajno izgube, ne znam kako, ali ako izgube 100% ce biti 2nd referendum. Prosto ni LibDems ni SNP neće podržati Laburističku vladu bez toga i to svi znaju.

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A French diplo official says:
“will see at the end of the week if a purely technical extension of a few days is necessary, to finish this parliamentary procedure. But outside these circumstances, an extension to buy time or to discuss the agreement again is excluded.” #Brexit https://t.co/xx4L7tpEpq

— Rym Momtaz ريم ممتاز (@RymMomtaz) October 22, 2019

Oni mogu samo da pocepaju EU. Ako ovaj ne vrati Brexit na dnevni red do odluke EU, Nemci i ostali ce ultimativno zahtevati do 31. januara, kao sto pise u poslatom pismu. Nema trika da popuste kada je UK u pitanju.

Mislim, mora Boris da im kaze koliko mu tacno treba. Ako im ne kaze, bice 99% tri meseca.

Francuzi na ispavnom putu, Nemci po zna koji put padaju na Britance jer ne zele da vide racionalno situaciju sve se nadajuci da ce Britnaci da ih zavole, kao 1914...
Sta ce se desiti ako se produzi?
Torijevci uzimaju veliku vecinu, ne kao sada da zavise od DUP i par poslanika, a onda je realan izalazak bez dogovora i bice EU u losijoj situaciji.

Ovaj deal ce biti Torijevcima u manifestu

Nebitno.
Dzonson menja pozicije svakog jutra. Masine ce vec da odradi posao preko medija narocito ako ubedljivo dobiju na izborima.

Ma jok. Izaci ce sa ovim dealom. Ali je poenta sto ce EU, fakat, onda biti u nezgodnijoj situaciji kad prodje "tranzicioni period". Ali, s druge strane, izbori idu svejedno do kraja iduce godine. Ma do kraja ove godine. Ne moze se vladati sa 280 poslanika. Tako da im je s te strane svejedno.

Aha, ok, sad postaje jasnije cemu cela drama - Boris hoce, kao sto je sada pokusao, dakle ultimativno hoce da u nekom momentu dovede paralment do situacije u kojoj ako ne izglasaju njegov deal onda je no deal. I zato ce sada, skoro sigurno, traziti neki short extension, ali pod uslovom da je to "majke mi" poslednji, poslednji, poslednji extension, tipa 10-15 dana. U EU ima onih koji su voljni da sa njim igraju taj tango i oni koji nisu voljni, tako da, videcemo. Ali cela politika i njegova, kao sto je bila i Maykina, je dovesti parlament u situaciju - ili moj deal ili no deal.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50150070?ns_campaign=bbc_breaking

Odlican clanak o kapitulaciji britanskih medija (ukljucujuci BBC) kad prenosi vesti o Brexitu i posebno o Dzonsonu. Pise, Peter Oborne, nekadasnji sef politicki komentator Telegrafa koji bi trebao da zna:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/?fbclid=IwAR1uKuSsc7z7xgPZGreGYSiuE0-un_WTDlVoGsfHjqnf3RymEHSQR58-3aQ

But there is now clear evidence that the prime minister has debauched Downing Street by using the power of his office to spread propaganda and fake news. British political journalists have got chillingly close to providing the same service to Boris Johnson that Fox News delivers for Donald Trump.

Ima 4 godine kako Korbina svi živi razapinju i spinuju na hiljadu načina. O tome može da se napiše knjiga a ne članak. Ali, naravno, Brexit je nešto što cepa samo jezgro onoga što se u najužem smislu zove "država"

BoJo trazi izbore u decembru.

Sad kad ne uspeju ni da raspisu izbore...

Ako odbiju sada izbore (LAB) ispašće najveći magarci na svetu. Korbin više naginje tome da prihvati kako vidim, ali većina poslanika je protiv. Momentum je za (a oni realno treba da vode kampanju)

Za sada radnicki odbija izbore.

Aha, pa da, sad sam video. BoJo hoce da veže izbore za 5 dana duže raspravljanje o WAB. Ok, to nije fer. Neka zaustavi ceo proces do izbora. Ovako treba pristati na izbore a ne znaš o čemu će biti.

Government could go on strike if rejected 

Going to Belgrade next week to speak at a conference on #Brexit and the #Balkans. Also meant to be briefing journalists on what is happening over here! (Anyone?)

Consider that fully. I’m going to #Serbia to talk about the effects they face from political instability in #Britain!

— James Ker-Lindsay (@JamesKerLindsay) October 24, 2019