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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/Revealed: Election pact between Johnson and Farage edges closer
Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place
Boris Johnson’s aides in Downing Street have “opened channels” with the Brexit Party to discuss a formal general election pact, according to close associates of Nigel Farage.
The two party leaders have not talked since Johnson became Prime Minister. However, back-channel meetings between Number 10 and Brexit Party officials have taken place. Further talks, according to sources contacted by openDemocracy, are scheduled over the coming weekend.
They will include arranging a public meeting between Johnson and Farage that could take place shortly after parliament prorogues next week.
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The anticipated talks between the two party leaders, according to sources, will initially centre on seats where a Brexit Party challenge to a sitting Tory MP would do most damage. In these seats, where Labour and the Liberal Democrats might come close to winning, the absence of a Brexit Party candidate would assist Johnson’s efforts to remain in Number 10.
Farage is understood to have made clear to colleagues that in any pact he expects a similar sacrifice from the Tories to stand aside in a majority of strong Labour seats in the north of England where the pro-Brexit vote was highest.
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expects a similar sacrifice from the Tories to stand aside in a majority of strong Labour seats in the north of England where the pro-Brexit vote was highest.
Bas da vidimo...
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bez glasačke fuzije torijevaca i brexitovaca oni nemaju preterano šansi na izborima posle 31.10.
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korbin ostaje crvena linija za mnoge libdemove, plus su laburisti podeljeni, plus nisu to stranke ujedinjene oko istog cilja, kao što su to ovakve konzerve i faražovci.
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"You should be in Brussels, you're in Morley"
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) September 6, 2019
Boris Johnson was challenged by a passer-by moments after he arrived in the West Yorkshire town
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Gargantua wrote:mislim da je ovamo pozicija bliža. sa ovim isterivanjem 20 torijevaca stranka se pomerila baš u desno, i mislim da je taktičko glasanje lako svarljivo za obe grupe.
korbin ostaje crvena linija za mnoge libdemove, plus su laburisti podeljeni, plus nisu to stranke ujedinjene oko istog cilja, kao što su to ovakve konzerve i faražovci.
Ako je rec o sprecavanju no deal brexita - mozda bi zajednicki nastup sa nekim kompromisnim kandidatom za PM-a funkcionisao. No, nista od toga, to znamo. Morace ako hoce nesto da urade, da rade bas na taktickom nivou (nivou izborne jedinice)
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plachkica wrote:"You should be in Brussels, you're in Morley"
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) September 6, 2019
Boris Johnson was challenged by a passer-by moments after he arrived in the West Yorkshire town
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At the same time, European leaders are becoming concerned about the implications for long-term EU-UK relations of the Conservative party’s embrace under Mr Johnson of a militantly pro-Brexit English nationalism.
They fear that the UK, if still under Conservative rule after a snap general election, will aim to diverge from the EU in economic and security matters far more than anyone expected at the time of the 2016 Brexit referendum.
To the extent that such divergence involved tighter bonds with the US, it would seem to bear out Charles de Gaulle’s prediction that, when the chips are down, London will always choose Washington over the European continent.
Charles Michel, the Belgian incoming president of the European Council, which groups EU heads of governments, (pictured above) says he already sees signs that the UK is looking “more and more” to the US in its foreign policy.
A “hard Brexit” would undoubtedly disrupt the EU economy, as highlighted in this report by Belgium’s University of Leuven. However, the view in EU capitals has been unchanged since the 2016 referendum: the damage to the British economy would be worse.
On Friday Marcel Fratzscher, president of DIW Berlin, an influential German think-tank, said (here in German): “It’s better now to have a hard Brexit than to be kept in suspension for another one or two years.”
Likewise Anne Mulder, the Dutch parliament’s rapporteur on Brexit, says that enough is enough. “We thought the Brits were rational pragmatists. Well, they aren’t.”
This change of tone and perspective is important. Earlier this year Donald Tusk, the former Polish premier who is Mr Michel’s predecessor as European Council president, took a lenient view of delays to Brexit.
Mr Tusk’s generosity reflected the feeling of central and eastern European politicians, keen on a strong British diplomatic and military role in Europe, that perhaps Brexit could somehow be cancelled altogether. In western European capitals, however, such patience is less fashionable than ever.
It is understood that the UK’s acute political divisions may require a short extension of the Brexit deadline beyond October 31, after two delays in March and April.
Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, and other EU leaders would surely favour such an extension, if it were needed for a snap UK general election or even a second Brexit referendum.
However, European policymakers and analysts know that the Conservatives could return to power, because of the splits among the UK’s anti-Brexit forces and the unpopularity of Jeremy Corbyn, Labour’s leftist leader.
Despite Mr Johnson’s crushing defeats in the House of Commons this week and the loss of his parliamentary majority, he has a good chance of winning a snap election, forecasts (here in German) Cathrin Kahlweit of Munich’s Süddeutsche Zeitung.
Across Europe there is bewilderment at the political paralysis of a country once respected for its ability to strike compromises in the most divisive conflicts. But bewilderment is giving way to concern that the UK’s populist turn could damage the EU itself.
https://amp.ft.com/content/76a6eb28-d090-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f?__twitter_impression=true
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To je glavni cilj. Ono što pak recimo Kremlj mnogo bolje razume od ovih pajaca je da će sjebavajući EU sjebati mnogo više od toga.
No, ima 1 druga stvar - a to su izbori koji će mnoge stvari pogurati na jednu ili drugu stranu, a to nisu britanski izbori, kad god bili
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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peter-foster-brexit-longread
Fiasco: the inside story of the Brexit talks
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UK, Hanbury Strategy poll:
— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) September 5, 2019
"Which of the following do you think would be worse?"
Jeremy Corbyn (LAB-S&D) becomes Prime Minister: 43%
Britain leaves the EU with No Deal: 35%
They're both equally bad: 23%
Fieldwork: 3-4 September 2019
Sample size: 995#Brexit #BrexitVote
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Gargantua wrote:1 long read, ili dugi čitanj :paće:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peter-foster-brexit-longread
Fiasco: the inside story of the Brexit talks
За твоје обавештењеРЖ: имамо реч штиво. Енглеском то фали.
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Gargantua wrote:proces, ne objekat.
radnja, ne predmet.
Ја сам га увек доживљавао као именицу. Јасно се види из облика :љ.
Него, а пропао оног што пише унутра... стигао сам отприлике до краја 2017. и дигао руке. Који муљ, које батргање у магли, мрцарење радње у стилу лошег водвиља... Кад мало боље размислим, тако им и треба. Да су пре сто или двеста година побили говна и завршили ствар, не би сад имали ово. Сва она срања која су умели да просипају на рачун других им се управо обијају о главу.
Баба за 20 година постаје кустос музеја Британија, нема царине, само улазнице.
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The prime minister reportedly wrote to Tory members on Friday evening pledging to break the law that will require him to seek an extension of article 50. “They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline. This is something I will never do.”
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The former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith encouraged Johnson to break the law, saying he would be seen as a Brexit “martyr” if judges opted to put him jail for breaching parliament’s terms.
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uglavnom 100% su zglajznuliGargantua wrote:UK, Hanbury Strategy poll:
— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) September 5, 2019
"Which of the following do you think would be worse?"
Jeremy Corbyn (LAB-S&D) becomes Prime Minister: 43%
Britain leaves the EU with No Deal: 35%
They're both equally bad: 23%
Fieldwork: 3-4 September 2019
Sample size: 995#Brexit #BrexitVote
tj. 101%
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KinderLad wrote:that the UK’s populist turn could damage the EU itself.
To je glavni cilj. Ono što pak recimo Kremlj mnogo bolje razume od ovih pajaca je da će sjebavajući EU sjebati mnogo više od toga.
No, ima 1 druga stvar - a to su izbori koji će mnoge stvari pogurati na jednu ili drugu stranu, a to nisu britanski izbori, kad god bili
Svuda je Kremlj oko nas.
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Gargantua wrote:
A “hard Brexit” would undoubtedly disrupt the EU economy, as highlighted in this report by Belgium’s University of Leuven. However, the view in EU capitals has been unchanged since the 2016 referendum: the damage to the British economy would be worse.
To je tacno samo kratkorocno ne i na duze.
Narocito ne ako London dobije podrsku Vasingtona i veceg dela Komonvelta.
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After an extraordinary week, what are Johnson’s options now?
The tide is turning. The Brexit extension legislation will go through, unimpeded, possibly as early as today. And Boris Johnson now appears to have lost the fight for an early election, before October 31. He and his team miscalculated parliament’s willingness to grant an election. It turned out to have been a huge tactical error for him to withdraw the whip from 21 Tory rebels - if only because he would have needed their votes to trigger an election. The combination of prorogation of parliament and the suspension of 21 Tories was simply too much for the British soul. They are now all panicking. You can tell this is the case when they start blaming advisers, like Dominic Cummings in this case.
Even the touted possibility of the government launching a vote of no-confidence in itself would probably not work now, because the united opposition would fail to support it. Yesterday, Labour and the SNP got together and agreed to frustrate any attempt for an Oct 14 or 15 election. They fear that Johnson would win it. We agree. What we are struggling to understand is why they believe that Corbyn’s prospects are better as a result. We think the opposite is the case. Maybe some believe that the EU will offer a long transition - until after the scheduled election in 2022, and that the UK parliament would then accept that offer.
We have yet to understand why team Johnson is not frustrating the anti-Brexit legislation through one of the means we have outlined in recent days. The media are silent on this point. If readers have any information on this particular point, we would like to hear it. Maybe they received legal advice. Or they concluded that any further involvement of the Queen would backfire. It is also possible - in theory - that they have a better plan, but we should probably not overestimate their strategic acumen. They certainly did not game the election scenarios carefully enough. The two-thirds majority threshold in the fixed-term parliaments act was always, and remains, formidable.
So what can Johnson do apart from cranking up the rhetoric, like the pledge that he'd rather die in a ditch than ask for an extension? What will he do when the request for an extension is the law?
One option for him is to resign shortly before the critical Oct 17 EU summit. At that point the Queen would have to appoint the leader of the opposition as prime minister. Corbyn's sole job would be to ask for a Brexit extension and make way for elections afterwards, since he commands no parliamentary majority either. The election scenario would be the same as it would have been on Oct 14 - a choice between Johnson and Corbyn. It would make it harder for Johnson to campaign on a Brexit delivery theme when he so clearly failed to deliver Brexit. At the same time, it would allow Johnson to accuse Corbyn of surrendering to the EU, or betrayal of Brexit. The outcome would depend on whether Johnson and Nigel Farage would manage to unite. The election campaign would be horrendous.
Another option for Johnson is to defy the Brexit bill, and risk being impeached by parliament. This is what Robert Peston was suggesting yesterday. Impeachment in the UK is an ancient procedure to try individuals for high treason that is now considered obsolete, in contrast for example to the US. But would it not be easier for parliament to launch a vote of no-confidence and install Jeremy Corbyn in Number 10? We presume that the LibDems might hold their nose, but maybe not all opposition MPs would support Corbyn.
A third possibility is for Johnson to find some way for the EU to reject the extension. This is probably the smartest choice, but requires a strategy the UK has not yet deployed. The UK could refuse to comply with EU demands attached to an extension, like appointing a European Commissioner. The UK could co-opt another member state ready to wield a veto - maybe against the promise of preferential treatment for its citizens after Brexit. Maybe Johnson could tell the European Council that the request for an extension was forced on him by his parliament, and that the European Council would risk a very disturbing period unless they refuse this reluctant request.
The fourth and least likely possibility is for Johnson to agree a deal. This is something he could have done after an early election.
There is a silver lining for Johnson. The Labour Party is not doing itself any favours. Since the current parliament is not in a position to settle Brexit one way or the other, there is logic to an early election. Voters would not be happy with another Brexit extension. They want to get this over and done with. It was the April extension that put a premature end to Theresa May’s premiership.
Johnson is receiving a lot of bad media coverage now, but five weeks without parliament will give him an opportunity to reassert his authority. His party's conference will undoubtedly reward his uncompromising stance on Brexit. Things might look different then. A reminder of the weakness of Labour’s Brexit strategy came last night on BBC's Question Time when Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, struggled to explain the party's official policy. Labour would renegotiate, put the deal to a referendum, and then campaign against its own deal. This construction is obviously a fudge to cover up deep disagreements inside the party. We don’t think this position would survive an election campaign.
https://www.eurointelligence.com/public.html
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Someone shared this under the Times piece. Suspect millions of people feel like this. Many, many millions. They will never come back to the parties they hold responsible. pic.twitter.com/YOECHFVTNH
— Labour Leave (@labourleave) September 7, 2019