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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:51 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:na osnovu cega tvrdis da je toliki raspad taj zatvor?
    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/el-chapos-confinement-cockroaches-tacos-and-a-three-lieutenant-escort/
    The facility itself is trash, with cockroach-infested meal trays and frigid, leaky cells. One inmate resorted to drinking from his toilet when the water was shut off. (Its sister facility across the river is now the subject of public attention, as detainees have been living without heat.)

    kakve veze ima ovo sa samoubijanjem?


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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:53 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:a, znaci nisu ga ni snimali. pa da, makes sense.
    https://www.apnews.com/f0eef647142d40a092f5b3fe9321f480
    The jail does have a video surveillance system, but federal standards don’t allow the use of cameras to monitor areas where prisoners are likely to be undressed unless those cameras are monitored only by staff members of the same gender as the inmates. As a practical matter, that means most federal jails nationwide focus cameras on common areas, rather than cell bunks.


    najjace da je ovo nepremostiva prepreka.  USA - США - SAD - Page 14 3984128386


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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:56 pm

    A za Savamalu kriv sef smene u PU Savski Venac. Okam jbg.


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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:04 pm

    ima bubasvaba, znaci moze da se samoubije ko 'oce. #okam


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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:07 pm

    Santino wrote:kakve veze ima ovo sa samoubijanjem?

    Santino wrote:na osnovu cega tvrdis da je toliki raspad taj zatvor?
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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:10 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:kakve veze ima ovo sa samoubijanjem?

    Santino wrote:na osnovu cega tvrdis da je toliki raspad taj zatvor?

    ne pitam te za higijenu, alo.


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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:12 pm

    Santino wrote:najjace da je ovo nepremostiva prepreka.  USA - США - SAD - Page 14 3984128386
    manjak (stručnog) osoblja i težnja ljudi da stvari odrade na najlakši mogući način... očekivano je da se neće dodatno guziti time da kontrolišu zatvorenike kamerama u ćelijama.

    to što ti misliš da je tako trebalo, i da je trebalo Epštajna podvrgnuti tome... hindsight is 20/20.


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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:16 pm

    Santino wrote:ne pitam te za higijenu, alo.
    već linkovao NYT izveštaj o lošem stanju u federalnim zatvorima, ima toga kol'ko voleš.

    Gargamel wrote:Safety Concerns Grow as Inmates Are Guarded by Teachers and Secretaries
    June 17, 2018
    As the Trump administration has curtailed hiring in its quest to reduce the size of the government, some prisons are so pressed for guards that they regularly compel teachers, nurses, secretaries and other support staff to step in.
    ...
    When Mr. Guzmán, who twice escaped from Mexican prisons, was transferred to Manhattan in 2017, the number of workers in the wing, which can house about a half-dozen inmates, was increased to at least four people, including two correctional officers, according to three people with knowledge of the arrangement. But since early this year, they said, the wing has been routinely staffed by two people because of shortages. One is an officer — and sometimes that role is filled by support staff.
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:17 pm

    Ali hindsight jbt. Jer nakon neuspelog pokusaja samoubistva/ubistva apsolutno niko nije mogao da pretpostavi da bi ovako nesto moglo da se desi.

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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:19 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:ne pitam te za higijenu, alo.
    već linkovao NYT izveštaj o lošem stanju u federalnim zatvorima, ima toga kol'ko voleš.

    Gargamel wrote:Safety Concerns Grow as Inmates Are Guarded by Teachers and Secretaries
    June 17, 2018
    As the Trump administration has curtailed hiring in its quest to reduce the size of the government, some prisons are so pressed for guards that they regularly compel teachers, nurses, secretaries and other support staff to step in.
    ...
    When Mr. Guzmán, who twice escaped from Mexican prisons, was transferred to Manhattan in 2017, the number of workers in the wing, which can house about a half-dozen inmates, was increased to at least four people, including two correctional officers, according to three people with knowledge of the arrangement. But since early this year, they said, the wing has been routinely staffed by two people because of shortages. One is an officer — and sometimes that role is filled by support staff.


    Aj jos bar pet puta. Poznato je da argumenti postaju ubedljiviji sa svakim novim ponavljanjem.


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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:21 pm

    meni je ovde najluđe to što mu je važno da nam kaže da se ubio

    #centarmoći
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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:22 pm

    William Murderface wrote:Jer nakon neuspelog pokusaja samoubistva/ubistva apsolutno niko nije mogao da pretpostavi da bi ovako nesto moglo da se desi.
    (birokratska) inercija je čudo.

    Gargamel wrote:Zovem se Džo Smit, i radio sam kao službenik u menhetenskoj kažnjeničkoj ustanovi. U tom odeljenju se nikad ne dešavaju neki problemi, pa sam te noći pridremao misleći da nema potrebe da se guzim i proveravam svakih pola sata.

    Prethodno samoubistvo se desilo pre više od 20 godina. Kako sam mogao da pretpostavim da će se desiti te noći?
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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:23 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:najjace da je ovo nepremostiva prepreka.  USA - США - SAD - Page 14 3984128386
    manjak (stručnog) osoblja i težnja ljudi da stvari odrade na najlakši mogući način... očekivano je da se neće dodatno guziti time da kontrolišu zatvorenike kamerama u ćelijama.

    to što ti misliš da je tako trebalo, i da je trebalo Epštajna podvrgnuti tome... hindsight is 20/20.


    da je tu takav raspršoj ubio bi se još neko za ovih 20 godina. 

    i nije šta ja mislim, nego je to neki minimum za zatvorenika ovakvog kalibra i značaja koji je već pokušavao samoubistvo. a ti možeš da ga izjednačuješ sa nekim džankijima i rednecima koliko hoćeš, samo ispadaš smešan.


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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:27 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    William Murderface wrote:Jer nakon neuspelog pokusaja samoubistva/ubistva apsolutno niko nije mogao da pretpostavi da bi ovako nesto moglo da se desi.
    (birokratska) inercija je čudo.

    samo što čuda završavaju na drugoj strani okamove oštrice, i to ne onoj koja tebi odgovara.


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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:27 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    William Murderface wrote:Jer nakon neuspelog pokusaja samoubistva/ubistva apsolutno niko nije mogao da pretpostavi da bi ovako nesto moglo da se desi.
    (birokratska) inercija je čudo.

    Gargamel wrote:Zovem se Džo Smit, i radio sam kao službenik u menhetenskoj kažnjeničkoj ustanovi. U tom odeljenju se nikad ne dešavaju neki problemi, pa sam te noći pridremao misleći da nema potrebe da se guzim i proveravam svakih pola sata.

    Prethodno samoubistvo se desilo pre više od 20 godina. Kako sam mogao da pretpostavim da će se desiti te noći?

    i to što nije bilo samoubistava nema baš nikakve veze sa određenim radnjama kaznenih vlasti na prevenciji istih?
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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:30 pm

    Santino wrote:i nije šta ja mislim, nego je to neki minimum za zatvorenika ovakvog kalibra i značaja koji je već pokušavao samoubistvo.
    pritvorenici su bili El Chapo, Manafort. što će reći, ljudi koji ne zaostaju za Epštajnom u kalibru i značaju. naprotiv.

    pa to insistiranje na vanrednom značaju potonjeg i nema nekog smisla.
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    Post by Gargamel Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:31 pm

    Creepy Uncle wrote:i to što nije bilo samoubistava nema baš nikakve veze sa određenim radnjama kaznenih vlasti na prevenciji istih?
    možda ima neke veze sa tim da nisu patili od manjka stručne radne snage?
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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:39 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Santino wrote:i nije šta ja mislim, nego je to neki minimum za zatvorenika ovakvog kalibra i značaja koji je već pokušavao samoubistvo.
    pritvorenici su bili El Chapo, Manafort. što će reći, ljudi koji ne zaostaju za Epštajnom u kalibru i značaju. naprotiv.

    pa to insistiranje na vanrednom značaju potonjeg i nema nekog smisla.

    značaja za dalju istragu. kljucni svedok istrage koja je prava bomba. 

    i nijedan od pomenute dvojice se nije ubio niti bio ubijen.


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    Post by MNE Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:09 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    MNE wrote:Niko ne krivi Džoa koji je zaspao (ako je i to uopšte tačno). Poenta je da imaš zatvorenika koji treba da bude pod konstantnim CCTV nadzorom, ako se isti pokvari onda bukvalno pošalješ dvojicu koji na stolicama sjede ispred njegove ćelije dok se isti ne popravi.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/unproven-claim-of-camera-malfunction-before-epsteins-death/
    A New York Post story, citing “law enforcement officials,” said that cameras in the Metropolitan Correctional Center would have captured activity outside the cells, but not inside them. There is so far no substantiation for a claim that there was a “camera malfunction” at the prison before Epstein’s death, as viral social media posts say.

    That unproven assertion appears to have been spurred by a tweet by a user named Michael Coudrey, whose website says he offers “social media and ‘digital information warfare’ services to political candidates across the country.”

    okej zato sam i napisao "ako je tačno", ako ovakvog zatvorenika nisu imali pod video nadzorom onda eto ne znam šta da kažem...
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    Boktejebo

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    Post by plachkica Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:41 am

    je l moguće ovo?

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    The day after he was taken off suicide watch, disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein spent at least two hours locked up alone with a young woman, in a private room reserved for inmates and their attorneys, according to an attorney who was visiting the prison that day.

    “The optics were startling. Because she was young. And pretty,” said the visiting attorney, who asked that his name not be used because he didn’t want to create friction with the prison administration. He speculated the woman could be a lawyer—NBC News has reported that Epstein paid members of his team to sit with him in a room for eight hours a day for attorney-client meetings, allowing him to avoid his cell.

    The visiting attorney went to the Manhattan Correctional Center on July 30, a day after Epstein was reportedly taken off suicide watch and transferred into the Special Housing Unit (SHU). During the hours the visiting attorney was present, it wasn’t Epstein’s main lawyer, Reid Weingarten, or other named attorneys who visited him.

    “If I was him, I would have hired… an old bald guy,” said the lawyer, who said the young woman was in there with Epstein for at least two hours when he was there. He also pointed out that the room is locked when prisoners go in, after their handcuffs are removed, and unlocked only when prisoners leave and handcuffs are put back on.

    Weingarten and other attorneys representing Epstein have not responded to requests for comment by Forbes.
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-spent-time-alone-with-young-female-prison-visitor/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:25 am

    da mi ubace seksi advokata na par sati u cz nakon visemesecnog posta, ja bih trazio da mi ne skidaju lisice

    i zbog sebe i zbog nje
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