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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:21 pm

    Ja mislim da njih dvoje ne bi mogli da se dogovore ni oko pomeranja satova

    Treba na finjaka da je odjebe a da to ne izgleda tako. Ako ume
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:29 pm

    Corbyn is 'happy' to meet May to discuss Brexit
    The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has said he is “very happy” to meet Theresa May 
    after she offered to sit down with him to agree a plan which allows the UK to 
    leave the EU with a deal.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:18 pm

    Vrh ce biti da recimo njih dvoje dogovore CU, pa onda za to glasa tipa 150 laburista i 150 torijevaca i to ne prodje UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 17 1399639816
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:06 pm

    So if she cannot reach Brexit compromise with
    @jeremycorbyn
    “we will have to reach out around him

    "Pocepala sam svoju stranku, e vala cu i vasu"
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:23 pm





    Konzerve će sad verovatno pokušati da smene sopstvenu premijerku u parlamentu s obzirom da joj je juče 170 poslanika pisalo da hoće Bregzit bez daljeg odlaganja, tj. u suštini bez dogovora.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:37 pm

    I ako to probaju, u tom trenutku realno predaju Corbynu fantasticno veliku moc u pregovorima sa May. 

    Ali Corbyn daleko od toga da je bez problema. Postoji ogroman broj Laburista, mozda i izmedju 150 i 200 koji zele CM2.0/Norway+, a mnogi i 2ndRef. Hocu da kazem da je u stvari prilicna manjina kod Laburista zadovoljna samo sa CU, pogotovu da se to samo napise u onoj Politickoj deklaraciji koja sustinski ne obavezuje nijednu buducu vlast.
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    Post by kondo Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:46 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    Konzerve će sad verovatno pokušati da smene sopstvenu premijerku u parlamentu s obzirom da joj je juče 170 poslanika pisalo da hoće Bregzit bez daljeg odlaganja, tj. u suštini bez dogovora.


    ne pratim ovaj svinjac dovoljno detaljno samo mi recite da li ova pomenuta ekipa koja je za no deal u fazonu "ne moze nam niko nista jaci smo od sudbine".....

    ja i dalje ne veruem da ova EU moze da ispadne kao pobednik protiv bilo koga ko se ne zove grcka


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:09 pm

    Kondo wrote:
    rumbeando wrote:
    Konzerve će sad verovatno pokušati da smene sopstvenu premijerku u parlamentu s obzirom da joj je juče 170 poslanika pisalo da hoće Bregzit bez daljeg odlaganja, tj. u suštini bez dogovora.


    ne pratim ovaj svinjac dovoljno detaljno samo mi recite da li ova pomenuta ekipa koja je za no deal u fazonu "ne moze nam niko nista jaci smo od sudbine".....

    ja i dalje ne veruem da ova EU moze da ispadne kao pobednik protiv bilo koga ko se ne zove grcka

    Apsolutno.

    Inace, sto se tice sposobnosti EU, Ivan Rogers je to odlicno objasnio - EU strateska vizija - 0 ALI na nivou pregovora majstori - zato sto su od svega napravili 1 legal process. Tako da to uopste nisu "pregovori". Sto im je Varufakis lepo objasnio jos na pocetku, ali su oni bili u fazonu stakojkurac znate vi ko smo mi, dva sata pregovora u Berlinu i gotovo. pola veka su bili u EU i ne znaju kako funkcionise. Some achievement.


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    Post by rumbeando Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:15 pm

    Pa ne baš.

    More than 60 MPs and peers who support the European Research Group (ERG) gathered in committee room 15 of the House of Commons to watch the announcement on Tuesday night.

    One member said they let out a collective gasp when the prime minister said she would invite Labour’s leader into No 10 for talks.
    ...
    Former party leader Iain Duncan Smith told the Guardian: “I fear for Brexit. I am utterly puzzled as to why at this particular point we have handed control to a man who is not fit to run a whelk stall.

    “Jeremy Corbyn is a man who would reduce the UK to an adjunct of Venezuela ... Brexit will end as a hotchpotch. It has left me completely floundering as to what the purpose of this was.”
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    As the meeting broke up, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the ERG’s chair, criticised the prime minister for planning to collaborate with “a known Marxist” and said the move would lose Tory votes.

    “You do find that leaders who decide to go with the opposition rather than their own party find their own party doesn’t plainly follow. I’m not sure this is the way to conciliate people to persuade them if they haven’t moved already to move at this stage. I think getting the support of a known Marxist is not likely to instil confidence in Conservatives.”

    Asked if he would support any form of call for no confidence in the prime minister, Rees-Mogg said he would not try to oust May again, having failed in an attempt in December.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/02/i-fear-for-brexit-erg-dismayed-by-may-plan-to-talk-to-corbyn

    Evo kako je po Gardijanu (a i neki drugi mediji donose slične napise) izgledala sednica vlade:
    Cabinet sources say the seven hours of meetings in Downing Street were at times fractious and bad tempered. It is understood that 14 ministers, including Liz Truss, Andrea Leadsom and Gavin Williamson, opposed a long extension to leaving the EU and 10 were in favour, including chancellor Philip Hammond, who made the case for a second referendum.

    Williamson asked the prime minister directly how long a Brexit extension she would be willing to accept, but she declined to answer, cabinet sources said.

    One cabinet source said a particularly tense moment came when Claire Perry, the climate change minister, “went on a rant” about rightwingers changing the direction of Brexit policy and Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, “bellowed from the other end of the table” that such language was unhelpful, forcing May to intervene.

    One cabinet remainer described Tuesday’s shift as a significant step towards a softer Brexit, and “a triumph of fact over wishful thinking” – but warned that it is unclear whether May’s decision will survive the furious backlash that is likely to ensue in her own party.

    Cox, whose evidence that the UK risked being trapped in the Irish backstop indefinitely helped sink May’s deal at the second meaningful vote, urged her to make concessions to Corbyn in order to win a majority.

    He spoke after several ministers had argued against any further extension to article 50, and said the government had to shift its position.

    “He said, give Labour whatever they want to get it over the line,” said one cabinet source. In what was described by two sources as one of the key moments in the day-long negotiations, Michael Gove, who chaired the Vote Leave campaign, strongly agreed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/02/theresa-may-calls-for-talks-with-jeremy-corbyn-in-bid-to-save-brexit
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:17 pm

    Ne radi se o tome, nije to pitao, pitao je u odnosu na EU, a ne njihova party politics.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:21 pm

    He said, give Labour whatever they want to get it over the line

    Super su ovo smislili, taman da se ovi pokarabase sta oni u stvari hoce
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:24 am

    KinderLad wrote:
    He said, give Labour whatever they want to get it over the line

    Super su ovo smislili, taman da se ovi pokarabase sta oni u stvari hoce
    UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 17 1233199462 Drama absurda, nadrealizam, dada im nisu ravni.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:38 am

    Pa ono, prvi sam se setio  UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 17 1861198401

    May has kicked her Brexit can firmly into Corbyn's face UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 17 1233199462

    Sick of seeing the Tory party tearing itself apart, May is now getting Labour in on the act


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/02/may-has-kicked-her-brexit-can-firmly-into-corbyns-face
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    Post by Anduril Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:32 am

    Jos samo da se Toriji raspadnu - to bi bila pocasna nagrada ove Brexit gluposti.
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    Post by Anduril Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:09 am

    Inace, jos jedna potvrda odakle dolazi ova degenerisana klasa budala:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/01/posh-boys-better-bullshitters-women-ucl
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    Post by Sotir Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:22 am

    Па то је исто одакле долазе и претходне генерације које су водиле Британију.

    Иначе, гледам ово, и причу о скандалима око потплаћивања за уписе на престижне колеџе у Америци. Тај сталеж је у Америци свега неколико генерација стар.
    Могу да замислим како је било у Средњем веку са племством, кад су имали за собом десетине још горих генерација...
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    Post by паће Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:32 am

    Ако се не варам, реч сноб је скраћеница од сине нобилитате, без племства, што је била ознака за студентарију/боемлук/пијандуре по универзитетским градовима а која је имала само паре, не и ћагу. Да се некако разликују од оних са ћагом, то су урезивали на врата својих просторија.


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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:57 am

    Lek je raskulačivanje, jbg.
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    Post by Sotir Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:05 am

    Gargantua wrote:Lek je raskulačivanje, jbg.
    На крају ипак ћемо морати да признамо да је Филип био исувише милостив у својим идејама...
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:24 am

    паће wrote:Ако се не варам, реч сноб је скраћеница од сине нобилитате, без племства, што је била ознака за студентарију/боемлук/пијандуре по универзитетским градовима а која је имала само паре, не и ћагу. Да се некако разликују од оних са ћагом, то су урезивали на врата својих просторија.

    Varaš se.

    Online Etymology Dictionary kaže sledeće:

    snob (n.)
    1781, "a shoemaker, a shoemaker's apprentice," of unknown origin. It came to be used in Cambridge University slang c. 1796, often contemptuously, for "townsman, local merchant," and passed then into literary use, where by 1831 it was being used for "person of the ordinary or lower classes." Meaning "person who vulgarly apes his social superiors" is by 1843, popularized 1848 by William Thackeray's "Book of Snobs." The meaning later broadened to include those who insist on their gentility, in addition to those who merely aspire to it, and by 1911 the word had its main modern sense of "one who despises those considered inferior in rank, attainment, or taste." Inverted snob is from 1909.
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/snob#etymonline_v_23782

    A Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary sledeće:

    Folk etymology connects the word with Latin sine nobilitate ‘without nobility’ but the first recorded sense has no connection with this.

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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:27 am

    Gargantua wrote:Lek je raskulačivanje, jbg.

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