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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:27 pm

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    auh bole oči, mnogo su ružni, brezar ubiva takođe
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    em je ružan em piše dezinformacije
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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:58 am

    Ali zato je Junker jedan dobar čovek. I UOPŠTE NIJE PIJANAC!!!!


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:08 pm

    William Murderface wrote:Ali zato je Junker jedan dobar čovek. I UOPŠTE NIJE PIJANAC!!!!

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    Post by Zuper Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:27 pm

    Gargantua wrote:

    Doslo vreme da Srbi troluju Brisel...
    Propala EU.
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    Post by паће Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:39 pm

    Сад сам се сетио да проверим... изгледа да разни стандарди још увек важе. Нпр.

    III. PROVISIONS CONCERNING SIZING
    Size is determined by the weight of the fruit.
    The minimum weight for "Extra" Class is 90
    g, for Class I is 70 g and for Class II is 65
    g.
    To ensure uniformity in size, the range in
    size between produce in the same package
    shall not exceed:
    - 10 g for fruit of weight up to 85 g,
    - 15 g for fruit weighing between 85 g and 120 g,
    - 20 g for fruit weighing between 120 g and 150 g,
    - 40 g for fruit weighing 150 g or more.

    Брити да се шутирају у дупе... моћи ће сад да продају киви произвољне величине. Да не би Дејли Мејл опет писао "26 Jun 2008 ... A market trader has been banned from selling a batch of kiwi fruits because they are 1mm smaller than EU rules allow.", или Бибиси "26 Jun 2008 ... A fruit seller faces throwing away an entire consignment of kiwis because ... each of which is about the size of a small hen's egg and weighs about 60g. ... Agency (RPA) said the consignment failed to meet EU grading rules."


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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm

    Revolutions for Whom?

    Nov 1, 2019 KRISTEN R. GHODSEE , MITCHELL A. ORENSTEIN


    As liberal elites both East and West commemorate the peaceful end of the Cold War and celebrate the successes of the last three decades, it is important to recognize how painful the post-communist transition was – and, for many, continues to be. That is why nostalgia for the economic security and social stability of the authoritarian past is growing.


    PHILADELPHIA – “No one will be worse off than before, but it will be much better for many,” German Chancellor Helmut Kohl assured East Germans after the fall of the Berlin Wall on November 9, 1989. His words helped fuel rapid political and economic changes throughout post-communist Europe. Thirty years later, it’s worth asking how well Kohl and other Western leaders kept this promise.

    Travel to Prague, Kyiv, or Bucharest today and you will find glittering shopping malls filled with imported consumer goods: perfumes from France, fashion from Italy, and wristwatches from Switzerland. At the local Cineplex, urbane young citizens queue for the latest Marvel blockbuster movie. They stare at sleek iPhones, perhaps planning their next holiday to Paris, Goa, or Buenos Aires. The city center hums with cafés and bars catering to foreigners and local elites who buy gourmet groceries at massive hypermarkets. Compared to the scarcity and insularity of the communist past, Central and Eastern Europe today is brimming with new opportunities.

    In these same cities, however, pensioners and the poor struggle to afford the most basic amenities. Older citizens choose between heat, medicine, and food. In rural areas, some families have returned to subsistence agriculture. Young people flee in droves, seeking better opportunities abroad. Economic suffering and political nihilism fuel social distrust as nostalgia for the security and stability of the authoritarian past grows. Populist leaders seize on public discontent to dismantle democratic institutions and steer the economy to the benefit of their friends, family members, and supporters.

    These two worlds exist side by side, both born after the revolutions of 1989. While the last 30 years wrought positive change for a significant minority, the majority of former socialist citizens in Central and Eastern Europe and Central Asia suffered an economic calamity that left deep scars on the collective psyche of the post-communist world.

    When these countries liberalized their economies in the 1990s, economists and policymakers knew there would be recessions, but they could not guess the devastating depth and length of the downturns. Using data from the United States Department of Agriculture, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), we calculated the size of the transitional recessions, and compared their depth in Europe and Eurasia (starting in 1989) to the US Great Depression (starting in 1929).

    We divided the post-communist countries into three groups in terms of the average length and depth of their transitional economic slumps. In the most successful countries, the transitional recession was comparable to the US Great Depression (a 30% drop in GDP per capita). For the median countries, the transition recession devastated the economy, exceeding the magnitude of the Great Depression in depth (a 40% decline in GDP per capita) and length (17 years versus ten). The hardest-hit countries never recovered: 30 years later, GDP per capita remains below its level in the late socialist period.

    Moldova best represents the countries where economic transition has failed most people. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Moldova’s GDP per capita plummeted and bottomed out in 1999, when it was 66% below its 1989 level. In 2007, GDP per capita was still 42% lower than in 1989. Although Moldova grew substantially after 2010, it remained 12% below its 1989 level in 2016.

    Moldova is not alone. GDP per capita in five other post-communist countries – Georgia, Kosovo, Serbia, Tajikistan, and Ukraine – remained below 1989 levels in 2016.
    For these countries, transition brought unprecedented levels of economic pain and little gain, except for an elite few. Post-communist economic catastrophes precipitated millions of excess deaths, mass emigration, and a variety of social ills mostly unknown under communism: poverty, organized crime, and growing inequality. And in most post-communist countries, aggregate GDP figures mask massive growth in income polarization since 1989.

    These countries include the world’s fastest-shrinking, owing to demographic death spirals fueled by higher mortality, lower fertility, and increased emigration. A 2016 EBRD study noted that children born around the time of the onset of transition in their countries were about one centimeter shorter, on average, than their peers in the cohorts immediately preceding or following them. That is a difference found in war zones and other environments where babies suffer both micronutrient deficiencies and psychosocial stress.

    As liberal elites both East and West commemorate the peaceful end of the Cold War and celebrate the real successes of the last three decades, it is important to remember that not everyone has benefited from the advent of capitalism. Public opinion surveys reveal tanking levels of social trust, falling confidence in public institutions, and growing anger at income inequality.

    This has created fertile ground for populist parties and leaders, even in some of the most successful countries, like Hungary and Poland. The deep misery caused by the transitional recessions remains a fresh memory for many citizens and will influence political and economic choices in the region for decades to come, just as the experience of the Great Depression still animates public policy in the US.

    Thirty years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, reality has inverted Kohl’s famous promise: many are worse off than before, but it is much better for a few. Until prosperity is broadened to the many, the revolutions that began in 1989 will remain unfinished.



    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/most-postcommunist-citizens-worse-off-by-kristen-r-ghodsee-and-mitchell-a-orenstein-2019-11?a_la=english&a_d=5dbc4890c2f4ed1f0c30f1d7&a_m=&a_a=click&a_s=&a_p=%2Farchive&a_li=most-postcommunist-citizens-worse-off-by-kristen-r-ghodsee-and-mitchell-a-orenstein-2019-11&a_pa=&a_ps=


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:44 pm

    pa ok, ali malo trpaju u relativno istu grupu neuporedivo, tipa Češku i Tadžikistan. 

    Dok smo mi totalni outlier. Ono što se kod nas dešavalo je poremetilo ne samo Hrvatsku, Bosnu i, naravno, Srbiju / Kosovo, nego ceo region, 100% sam siguran. Možda su Mađari jedino malo oprihodovali od toga.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:53 pm

    pa i urbani centri su - pozitivni - izuzeci. milanović je baratao u jednoj knjizi sličnom statistikom, da jako veliki komadi društ(a)va prosto nisu ekonomski dobitnici u zadnje tri decenije.





    sad videh ovo, ne zna se ko je luđi, jal ovaj seronja ili ovi što se primaju ko saučešća

    Bulgaria and Ukraine issued diplomatic protests over remarks by Emmanuel Macron about migrants coming to France from those countries.

    In an interview published Thursday in conservative weekly magazine Valeurs Actuelles the French president said: "I would rather have people who come from Guinea or Côte d'Ivoire legally, who are there and who do this work, than Bulgarian or Ukrainian clandestine networks."

    He also seemed to criticize the EU's posted workers scheme, under which employers send temporary workers to other member countries. "I prefer to have legal migration, registered, under a quota, for x years, rather than hidden posted work," he said.

    Sofia summoned the country's French ambassador to the Foreign Ministry next week, the Sofia Globe reported, adding that Foreign Minister Ekaterina Zaharieva ordered the country’s ambassador in Paris, Angel Cholakov, to deliver a protest note to the French government.


    The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry on Friday also summoned the French ambassador in Kyiv to explain Macron’s comments.

    Following the meeting, a spokesperson for Ukraine's foreign ministry said Macron's comments had been taken out of context.

    "The parties confirmed that there is a complete understanding between Kyiv and Paris and cooperation in implementing agreements on the movement of citizens of both countries," the spokeperson said.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:12 pm

    On mislim da ne zna šta radi, a ovi jesu budale što se primaju. 

    That being said, i ja mislim da bi u EU trebalo da važi pravilo - slobodan si da ideš kad nađeš posao u nekoj drugoj zemlji u firmi registrovanoj u toj drugoj zemlji.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:14 pm

    Mislim, znam šta radi - pokušava da zađe iza leđa desnici, a da pri tom ne ispadne rasista. Ali ovim postiže i nešto drugo.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 am

    E ovo je dobro. Originalne price ljudi koji odlicno znaju o cemu pricaju. Pravo nedeljno natenane citanje

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/03/berlin-wall-30-years-on-five-german-writers-assess-bernhard-schlink-franck-geissler-ohler
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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:01 pm

    Ako ne žele Bugare i slične, neka izađu iz EU.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:01 pm

    паће wrote:Сад сам се сетио да проверим... изгледа да разни стандарди још увек важе. Нпр.

    III. PROVISIONS CONCERNING SIZING
    Size is determined by the weight of the fruit.
    The minimum weight for "Extra" Class is 90
    g, for Class I is 70 g and for Class II is 65
    g.
    To ensure uniformity in size, the range in
    size between produce in the same package
    shall not exceed:
    - 10 g for fruit of weight up to 85 g,
    - 15 g for fruit weighing between 85 g and 120 g,
    - 20 g for fruit weighing between 120 g and 150 g,
    - 40 g for fruit weighing 150 g or more.

    Брити да се шутирају у дупе... моћи ће сад да продају киви произвољне величине. Да не би Дејли Мејл опет писао "26 Jun 2008 ... A market trader has been banned from selling a batch of kiwi fruits because they are 1mm smaller than EU rules allow.", или Бибиси "26 Jun 2008 ... A fruit seller faces throwing away an entire consignment of kiwis because ... each of which is about the size of a small hen's egg and weighs about 60g. ... Agency (RPA) said the consignment failed to meet EU grading rules."



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    Post by Mr.Pink Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:06 pm

    dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:Ako ne žele Bugare i slične, neka izađu iz EU.



    albanci i pravoslavni bugari su laHke mete. ovi prvi cak i nisu eu. ali katolicki hrvati, he he

    samo da se taj bregzit zavrsi i bice spektakl


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    Post by паће Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:17 pm

    Зато га и развлаче у већ трећи недоглед, јер н'уму да се спреме за тај спектакл. Мислим да завирују у будућност и ништа им није јасно.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:30 pm

    Mora malo da vrati uslugu Macronu, a i, eto, idu izbori. 

    Uglavnom, "mi" smo se opet provukli  EU  - what's next? - Page 37 2304934895
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:03 pm

    https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2019&mm=11&dd=04&nav_category=78&nav_id=1612592

    EEA je nesto o cemu moze da se prica.
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    Post by Guest Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:26 pm

    Vladimir Medjak
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    31. окт
    Одговор за
    @rumeliobserver
    EEA was a platform for countries that could have joined but chose themselves not to. Not the other way around. Norway and Iceland could join if they chose to.
    They call it "fax democracy".
    EEA is not an option.

    Norway contributes to EU budget without having access to it. Norway harmonise with acquis without participating in its development including environment.
    Norway/Iceland are way above EU average GDP and can afford that position.
    Not applicable to WB in most of aspects

    Одговор за
    @StevenBlockmans @rumeliobserver
    и 9 других
    Lets negotiate membership with 30 countries of EEA instead of EU27 (UK not included). That is much easier and more relaxed.
    What could go wrong?
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:32 pm

    Dobro, ali nije rec o prikljucenju EFTA. Hocu da kazem, ne mora biti prepisano ono sto je ugovor sa zemljama EFTA. Svajcarska recimo ima sasvim nesto trece. Ok, znam, nismo ni Svajcarska. Ali principijelno.
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    Post by Zuper Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:17 pm

    EFTA je dobar izbor sa nekim lokalnnim karakteristikama koja pregovara svaka drzava posebno.

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