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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:01 pm


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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:20 pm

    Videh jutros, umro sam istorijski fragmenti - Page 19 1399639816


    To je ovaj lik
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bettaney
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:38 pm

    he was allegedly known for his admiration for Adolf Hitler and for singing the "Horst-Wessel-Lied"


    Pa to je ono, lako cemo sa SS-ovima ovog sveta to je odmah jasno sta je, SA-ovi su problem... istorijski fragmenti - Page 19 2304934895
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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:12 pm

    Komunjare se, ocekivano, ne slazu

    The story of Michael behaving completely incompetently, being hopelessly drunk and stuffing MI5 documents through the letterbox of the Soviet embassy, was, needless to say, pure invention. The same goes for the story of a confused general, Arkady Gouk - first secretary at the Soviet embassy and head of the KGB’s British section - going round to MI5 and handing back the documents. Obvious fabrication.


    The British secret services had their double agent in the KGB and did not want to blow his cover. It was Oleg Gordievsky who informed MI6 that there was yet another mole in the British secret service. Michael found himself under investigation and was presented with a stark choice: either put a bullet through your head or give a full confession. Over a bottle of whisky he told all.


    Before his trial, on remand, he sought out IRA prisoners to tell them about the MI5 agents in their movement. He passed on similar information to Arthur Scargill and the National Union of Mineworkers. Names were given …. but evidently to no effect.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:21 pm

    dobro je ovaj prošo
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:51 pm

    Good luck u detaljnom utvrđivanju šta je istina u tim pričama. istorijski fragmenti - Page 19 1143415371


    Inače, ovaj tip operacija je nekako najefikasniji:


    One spring night in 1962 a short, stocky Russian walked into the FBI office in Midtown Manhattan and offered his services as a spy for the United States. Aleksei Kulak, then 39, was working undercover as a science official at the United Nations. He said he was unhappy with his progress at his true employer, the KGB.

    Kulak was taking a huge risk simply by entering the FBI office. The building was on East 69th Street at the corner of Third Avenue—just three blocks from the Soviet U.N. mission on Park Avenue at 68th Street, which provided cover for dozens of KGB agents. “Aren’t you worried they may be watching the FBI building?” an FBI agent asked.

    “No,” Kulak replied. “All of our people are out covering a meeting with your guy, Dick.”

    Your guy, Dick.

    The Russian was clearly saying that the KGB had a mole inside the FBI. With those three words, he set off an earthquake inside the bureau that reverberated for decades—and remains unsettled even now.

    Kulak became the FBI’s Bureau Source 10, with the code name FEDORA. (Behind his back, agents called him Fatso.) The FBI assigned the code name UNSUB Dick, “UNSUB” being the term for “unknown subject,” to the mole that Kulak said was hidden inside the bureau.

    Kulak had scarcely left the FBI building that evening before the bureau launched a mole hunt that “shook the foundations of the bureau,” says David Major, who spent 24 years as an FBI counterintelligence agent and was the first bureau official assigned to the National Security Council in the White House. Over the course of three decades, hundreds of agents’ careers fell under the shadow of the investigation. In terms of corrosive effect, Major cites only one comparable event in U.S. intelligence history: the notorious mole hunt James Jesus Angleton conducted within the CIA, which paralyzed the agency’s Soviet operations and destroyed or damaged the careers of as many as 50 loyal CIA officers between 1961 and 1974, when Angleton was fired. “You know how Angleton ripped apart the agency,” Major, who retired from the FBI in 1994, told me. “Well, the same thing happened to the bureau. Dick ripped the bureau apart. But it never became public.”

    ...

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-the-fbi-spent-decades-hunting-for-a-soviet-spy-on-its-staff-15561/
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    Post by Јанош Винету Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:37 pm

    Quincy Endicott wrote:

    Adam Curtis je napravio dokumentarac o njima i jedan vrlo detaljan post na blogu:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/3662a707-0af9-3149-963f-47bea720b460
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    Post by beatakeshi Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:42 pm

    Hvala za ovo, promaklo mi je!
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    Post by Sotir Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:46 pm

    Gargantua wrote:Videh jutros, umro sam istorijski fragmenti - Page 19 1399639816


    To je ovaj lik
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bettaney

    То је била нека будала, а не шпијун.
    Овако описано нема шансе да је радио као шпијун.
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    Post by Zuper Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:49 pm

    Zanimljivo je da je KGB najuspesniji u kontraspijunazi bio osamdesetih i pred sam raspad SSSR.
    Posto su uspeli da probuse CIA sa vrobavanjem Aldrica Ejmsa, sklopili su citavu sliku i pokupili tokom osamedesetih gomilu najzancajnih CIA saradnika po dubini sovjetskog bezbedonosnog sistema.
    Jedan od primera,



    Iz vrha GRU-a.
    On je zasluzan da Amerikanci pridju Kinezim i otvore ih...covek promenio tok istorije svojom informacijom.
    Mozda najznacajni agent Amera u SSSR.
    Njega je KGB navatao osamdesetih sa informacijama iz CIA koje je prosledio Ejms. Ubrzo je streljan i grob mu se ne zna.

    Nije ni cudo sto zapad nije znao sta se desava u SSSR i koliko je blizu bio kraj koji je organizovao KGB...
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    Post by Јанош Винету Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:00 am

    Ta budala je bio glavni MI5 oficir za kontrašpijunažu i hvatanje ruskih špijuna.


    Michael Bettaney worked in counter-espionage in MI5. He had been recruited when he was at Oxford university - where he had been an admirer of Adolf Hitler and had a habit of singing the Nazi Party anthem in local pubs.

    Here is Bettaney back then.

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    MI5 did a thorough check on him - called positive vetting - and decided he was fine. Perfect MI5 material. Bettaney was then sent off to Northern Ireland to fight terrorism where he was wounded by a car bomb. He then had a horrible experience. Hidden in a cupboard he had to watch in silence as one of his informants was shot through the kneecaps by other terrorists.

    Here is Bettaney later - after he had been working for MI5.

    Bettaney came back to London a changed man. He decided that MI5 was both corrupt and incompetent. He started drinking heavily and told his colleagues loudly that he was no longer a fascist - but he had become a communist.

    So MI5 decided to promote him. He was positively vetted again - found to be perfect MI5 material, and sent to the Russian desk.

    Bettaney became more and more unstable. In October 1982 he was convicted of being drunk and disorderly. The next week he was convicted for fare-dodging. Finally MI5 did begin to notice - and two separate inquiries were set up to look into Bettaney's behaviour. But each was unaware of the other's existence.

    Neither of them noticed that he had been stealing a huge amount of MI5 top secret documents and stashing them at his home. Bettaney was only caught when he took some of the best of these secrets and tried to stuff them into the letter box of the Second Secretary of the Russian Embassy - Mr Gouk.
    itd.

    Ja inače znam za lika iz bloka, velikog nacionalsocijalistu i oficira VOA, mislim u činu kapetana, koji je svuda furao legitimaciju VOA i postrojavao pandure dok je mahao službenim Heklerom. Ponekad je lagano vozio svoju Open Tigru i puštao nacističke koračnice iz nje dok je low-rideovao po bloku.

    Ne znam gde je taj lik sada, prestao sam da se družim sa tom ekipom.

    Apsolutno verujem da je takva ista ekipa svuda na svetu.


    "For a while you wondered whether the fools were pretending to be fools as some kind of deception, or whether there was a real efficient service somewhere else.

    Later in my fiction, I invented one.

    But alas the reality was the mediocrity. Ex-colonial policemen mingling with failed academics, failed lawyers, failed missionaries and failed debutantes gave our canteen the amorphous quality of an Old School outing on the Orient express. Everyone seemed to smell of failure."


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    Post by Јанош Винету Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:22 am

    Još je jači primer g. Geoffrey Prime: serijski nasilni pedofil koji je imao kartoteku devojčica iz svog kraja, potencijalnih žrtava. Takođe je bio i komunista.

    On je sam otišao kod Rusa sa namerom da bude špijun. Primili su ga i pustili da im prosleđuje podatke. U jednom momentu su se zabrinuli zbog njegovih pedofilskih aktivnosti, rešili da je preterao i da neće da imaju ništa sa njim, i probali da ga odrukaju kod MI5 tako što će se bahatiti po bečkim restoranima. MI5 ništa nije ukapirao, na kraju je njegova sopstvena žena otišla u policiju da ga prijavi.

    Even the Russians got worried about his paedophile activities and seemed to want to dump him. In 1980 Prime had gone to Vienna to meet the KGB. Instead of meeting him secretly as they normally did, the Russians took him openly to the best restaurants where they knew Western intelligence agents would recognise them as KGB agents.

    But even then noone noticed them - or Prime.

    Prime's wife Rhona wrestled with her conscience - and in the end went to the police and told them everything about Prime. He was sent to jail for 35 years for spying and 3 years for the assaults on young girls - which says a lot about the priorities of the British establishment at that time.
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    Post by beatakeshi Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:31 pm

    http://standard.rs/2019/04/08/milovan-vitezovic-ono-nije-kralj-petar-prvi-ni-svoj-ni-moj/

    (moglo je i na serije/film, ali mi se učinilo prikladnije ovde)
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    Post by Sotir Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:02 am

    Пре тачно 75 година.


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    Post by Guest Fri May 03, 2019 12:51 pm

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    Post by bela maca Fri May 03, 2019 12:53 pm

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    Post by Guest Fri May 03, 2019 1:43 pm

    Inspektor Dragiša Blanuša, šef zatvora kad je Milošević isporučen Hagu, posle ga tužili zbog otmice Miloševića pa je oslobođen.
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    Post by Sotir Sat May 04, 2019 7:11 am

    Ali najjače je 41 (četrdeset jedan) bedž, plus katalog bedževa. Liči da se ozbiljno navukao na bedževe.
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    Post by boomer crook Sat May 04, 2019 8:38 am

    beatakeshi wrote:http://standard.rs/2019/04/08/milovan-vitezovic-ono-nije-kralj-petar-prvi-ni-svoj-ni-moj/

    (moglo je i na serije/film, ali mi se učinilo prikladnije ovde)

    kako su svi oni ludi


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    Post by beatakeshi Mon May 06, 2019 7:53 pm

    Manje zlo. istorijski fragmenti - Page 19 1233199462
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 06, 2019 7:59 pm

    Debelom dvoglavom orlu koji napada na Drazu otpozadi fali druga, Titova glava.
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    Post by Sotir Mon May 06, 2019 8:23 pm

    Hvali samo u pozadini Čerčil koji, dok puši tompus, vuče kanap i sapliće Dražinog konja.
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