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    Post by disident Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:57 am

    Domaci libekovci su bas pali ispod svakog nivoa 

    Da! Da! Da! Pred pravim autoritetom ne sme se reći ne. Poput stare zagonetke, ne zna se šta je starije – kolektivizam na kome počiva fašizam ili politička korektnost?
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    Nedavna vest o ukidanju legendarnih crtanih filmova sa „Dizni plusa“ okrenula je mnoge glave iz generacija koje su upravo uz ova ostvarenja stasavale. Stereotipi koje „Petar Pan“, „Mačke iz visokog društva“, „Maza i Lunja“, „Knjiga o džungli“ i „Dambo“ prikazuju, prema kompaniji Volt Dizni, bili su pogrešni onda, a pogrešni su i sada. Uklanjanjem pomenutih crtanih filmova, kompanija priznaje svoje greške iz prošlosti i podstiče stvaranje inkluzivnije zajedničke budućnosti.
    Nezadovoljstvo (zlo)upotrebom „političke korektnosti” postoji godinama unazad. Štaviše, sa sigurnošću se može reći da je politička korektnost stavila u lance kompletan politički i medijski mejnstrim. Politička korektnost predstavlja jedan vid autocenzure koji nas obavezuje da iz celokupne komunikacije bilo kog tipa eliminišemo loše reči, reči koje vode marginalizaciji i izopštavanju određenih društvenih grupa. Reči proističu iz misli, a misli kasnije oblikuju naše postupke koji mogu biti štetni po ljude iz naše okoline.
    Politička korektnost pravi dve suštinske greške. Na prvom mestu, želeći da izbegne žigosanje osetljivih društvenih kategorija, dovodi upravo do toga da se demonizuju i žigošu ljudi samo na osnovu njihovog izbora reči. Na drugom mestu, politička korektnost iskrivljuje realnost. Na veštački način pokušava da je ulepša gurajući pod tepih sve ono što smatra štetnim u svakodnevnoj ljudskoj komunikaciji. Petar Pan je, na kraju, umakao zlom kapetanu Kuki, ali mu je glave došla politička korektnost 119 godina od njegovog prvog pojavljivanja u noveli britanskog pisca J. M. Berija.

    Politička korektnost –  margarin koji se u sve meša


    Pozivanje na političku korektnost i zahtevanje za postupanjem u skladu sa političkom korektnošću nalazimo svuda. Rezultat toga je razvodnjavanje samog pojma političke korektnosti do te mere da on najmanje pripada samoj političkoj sferi. Dakle, politička korektnost i nije nešto politička. Međutim, obzirom na to kakav glas bije sve političko i koje sve konotacije bavljenje politikom sa sobom nosi, najlakše je možda petljanje sa „lošim“ rečima i ulepšavanje forme naše komunikacije obavljati pod kišobranom politike.
    Profesionalni političari modernog doba u svojoj interakciji sa javnošću koriste se posebnim, tzv. „birokratskim“ jezikom, čija je potpora u velikoj meri upravo politička korektnost i on se koristi u cilju da se poveća obuhvat građana (čitaj biračko telo) kojima se političar obraća. Besmisleno je zahtevati od svakog pojedinca da sopstveni sistem vrednosti modifikuje, štaviše, izopači do tačke gde će sva njegova verbalna komunikacija biti podešena da se ničije emocije ne povrede. Napominjem, vređanje, marginalizacija i odbacivanje bilo koga ne sme da bude nešto što se toleriše i opravdava ali postoji vrlo tanka linija posle koje se slobodna komunikacija i slobodno izražavanje sopstvenog mišljenja i sagledavanje realnosti stavljaju na drugo mesto na listi prioriteta. Za demokratsko društvo kakvo mislimo/želimo da imamo, to je apsolutno nedopustivo.
    Zbog čega sam rekao da je politička korektnost najmanje politička? Odgovor je jednostavan. Politička korektnost ušla je u svaku poru čovečanstva i postavila je zahtev da se svaka pora očisti od potencijalne neprijatnosti koju slobodan diskurs nosi sa sobom. Društva i njihovi sistemi vrednosti mogu biti razni ali sloboda je jedna i podleže istim kriterijumima na svakom kvadratnom kilometru planete Zemlje. Politička korektnost bi možda i ovu tvrdnju dovela pod znak pitanja. Da li ste znali da je u Kanadi postojao predlog zakona kojim bi se zabranilo pljeskanje rukama, odnosno, aplaudiranje s obrazloženjem da postoji određen broj ljudi kojima aplauz stvara anksioznost? Nisam ni ja. Takođe, u Kanadi postoji zakon koji svakoga obavezuje da se osobama u svom okruženju obraća isključivo rodno neutralnim jezikom. Odrednice dečak, devojčica, muškarac, žena u društvu kakvo je kanadsko su neprihvatljive jer se možda osoba kojoj smo se mi obratili kao da je muškarac oseća kao nešto što se u matematici zove krug. U francuskim školama, ali i mnogim školama i ustanovama širom sveta, srešćemo formulare u kojima su majka i otac zamenjeni sledećim: roditelj 1 i roditelj 2. U Sjedinjenim Državama zakonski nije dozvoljeno konstatovati da je neko gojazan, neuhranjen, nizak, tamnije ili drugačije boje kože (ne, neću reći „crnac“) jer bi neko mogao da bude uvređen. Vrlo lako bih mogao danima da pišem o banalizovanju praktično svega da bi se postupalo u skladu sa političkom korektnošću, ali bih to ipak zamenio pitanjem – da li je sada iko iznenađen ukidanjem omiljenih crtanih filmova koji su oblikovali naše detinjstvo?

    Da li je politički korektan Holivud – loš Holivud?


    Kritičari su shvatili, a kompanija Volt Dizni aminovala je tvrdnju da su Petar Pan, mačka Mari, Maza i Lunja problematični zbog rasizma, a da su Mogli i Dambo bili deo priča koje su pogrešno predstavljale manjine. Najiskrenije, ne uspevam da se setim bilo čega što bi u ovim crtanim filmovima uopšte moglo da pokrene diskusiju o političkoj (ne)korektnosti. Neće se ničega sličnog sećati ni deca kada dođu u moj uzrast, a koja su se relativno skoro prvi put upoznala sa avanturama gorepomenutih likova. Zbog političke korektnosti, neka buduća deca nikada za to neće ni imati priliku.
    Od kada je politička korektnost prvi put počela da bude bitna odrednica u stvaranju najvećih svetskih filmskih projekata, nezadovoljstvo publike sve više je raslo. U godinama koje su pred nama postoji velika šansa da po prvi put na bioskopskom platnu gledamo Džejms Bonda kog glumi crnac, obzirom na to da se u Holivudu već neko vreme šuška kako bi novi agent 007 mogao biti britanski glumac afričkog porekla Idris Elba. Nisu zanemarljive ni spekulacije da bi agent 007 mogla biti i žena. Takođe, verovatno ćemo uskoro gledati Supermena kog će igrati Majkl B. Džordan, glumac afroameričkog porekla. Štaviše, godinama unazad, rodna i rasna ravnopravnost, predstavljanost manjina, ravnopravnost i predstavljenost seksualnih orijentacija bitni su faktori u dodeljivanju najprestižnijih nagrada za filmska ostvarenja.
    Ne želim, niti bih mogao dati prognozu do kada će nas zapljuskivati talasi političke korektnosti. Međutim, ukidanje crtanog filma Petar Pan izuzetno je simptomatično – u svetu se, bar zvanično, više neće emitovati ovaj crtani film ali nastavimo li da se politički korektno odnosimo prema svemu i svakome, probudićemo se u svetu u kome smo sve manje odrasli, sve manje hrabri, a u kome je sloboda samo privid. To će biti naša nova realnost, realnost koju nećemo moći da isključimo jednim klikom. Naša politička nedođija.  
     
    Autor: Lazar Sorak


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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am

    https://pescanik.net/na-kraju-ali-ne-i-na-cilju/


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:34 am

    Postoji vrlo malo onih koji prevode sa nemackog koji umeju da prevedu da bude lako citljivo, u duhu naseg jezika, a da se nista od smisla ne izgubi.
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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:36 am

    Vrv, ali ja mislim da je ovo prevod s engleskog. Liberalizam - Page 11 1143415371


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:37 am

    E onda ne umem da uhvatim gde se desio kvrc.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:46 am

    Kaže viki da je s nemščine.

    Furcht und Freiheit. Für einen anderen Liberalismus. Suhrkamp, Berlin 2019, ISBN 978-3-518-07513-5

    Edit: a i piše u prvoj rečenici teksta.
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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:09 am

    Ok, moja greska.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:16 pm

    Takodje, uglavnom (uglavnom) se slazem, ali ne vidim sta je to tako radikalno drugacije u odnosu na ono sto vec postoji. Moracu neki put malo da se udubim mozda...
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:17 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Postoji vrlo malo onih koji prevode sa nemackog koji umeju da prevedu da bude lako citljivo, u duhu naseg jezika, a da se nista od smisla ne izgubi.
    U Sarajevu su prije rata izdali prijevod Adorna potpuno nerazumljiv, gugl translejt iz prvih dana.


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    Post by ficfiric Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:06 am

    Ipak se nije zavukao ispod kamena



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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:20 am

    https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/legacies-of-cold-war-liberalism


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:41 pm

    Super zanimljiv tekst Liberalizam - Page 11 903208043
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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:44 pm

    Razvila se i polemika.

    https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/virtues-of-cold-war-liberalism

    https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/a-reply-to-kevin-mattson


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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:27 pm





    Our panel debate the crisis of the liberal order: is the cause of the crisis of liberalism itself, or does it have as much to do with Trump and the rise of populism as anything else?


    🔴 Professor G. John Ikenberry
    🔴 Professor Beate Jahn
    🔴 Professor John J. Mearsheimer


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:15 pm

    Nabasala sam na UnHerd - ja sam sucker za ove igre riječi Liberalizam - Page 11 1233199462  Uglavnom, kažu da objavljuju i lijeve i desne, we should all get along, media je u kurcu, itd..
    Ovo mi je bilo zanimljivo : https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-to-end-anti-capitalism/
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:31 pm

    meni unherd deluje bas da ima desni bias ali blag


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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:06 pm

    https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/neoliberalism-mont-pelerin-society-hayek-mises-human-rights-discourse-market-postcolonialism


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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Oct 09, 2021 4:24 pm

    Liberalizam - Page 11 9780231193856


    je dobra knjiga koja se bavi baš tom temom. Doduše, Vendi počne malo da jede govna na kraju.


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    Post by Del Cap Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:46 pm

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-04-01/francis-fukuyama-liberalism-country

    A Country of Their Own
    Liberalism Needs the Nation
    By Francis Fukuyama
    May/June 2022

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-04-01/francis-fukuyama-liberalism-country

    Liberalism is in peril. The fundamentals of liberal societies are tolerance of difference, respect for individual rights, and the rule of law, and all are under threat as the world suffers what can be called a democratic recession or even a depression. According to Freedom House, political rights and civil liberties around the world have fallen each year for the last 16 years. Liberalism’s decline is evident in the growing strength of autocracies such as China and Russia, the erosion of liberal—or nominally liberal—institutions in countries such as Hungary and Turkey, and the backsliding of liberal democracies such as India and the United States.

    In each of these cases, nationalism has powered the rise of illiberalism. Illiberal leaders, their parties, and their allies have harnessed nationalist rhetoric in seeking greater control of their societies. They denounce their opponents as out-of-touch elites, effete cosmopolitans, and globalists. They claim to be the authentic representatives of their country and its true guardians. Sometimes, illiberal politicians merely caricature their liberal counterparts as ineffectual and removed from the lives of the people they presume to represent. Often, however, they describe their liberal rivals not simply as political adversaries but as something more sinister: enemies of the people.

    The very nature of liberalism makes it susceptible to this line of attack. The most fundamental principle enshrined in liberalism is one of tolerance: the state does not prescribe beliefs, identities, or any other kind of dogma. Ever since its tentative emergence in the seventeenth century as an organizing principle for politics, liberalism deliberately lowered the sights of politics to aim not at “the good life” as defined by a particular religion, moral doctrine, or cultural tradition but at the preservation of life itself under conditions in which populations cannot agree on what the good life is. This agnostic nature creates a spiritual vacuum, as individuals go their own ways and experience only a thin sense of community. Liberal political orders do require shared values, such as tolerance, compromise, and deliberation, but these do not foster the strong emotional bonds found in tightly knit religious and ethnonationalist communities. Indeed, liberal societies have often encouraged the aimless pursuit of material self-gratification.

    Liberalism’s most important selling point remains the pragmatic one that has existed for centuries: its ability to manage diversity in pluralistic societies. Yet there is a limit to the kinds of diversity that liberal societies can handle. If enough people reject liberal principles themselves and seek to restrict the fundamental rights of others, or if citizens resort to violence to get their way, then liberalism alone cannot maintain political order. And if diverse societies move away from liberal principles and try to base their national identities on race, ethnicity, religion, or some other, different substantive vision of the good life, they invite a return to potentially bloody conflict. A world full of such countries will invariably be more fractious, more tumultuous, and more violent.

    That is why it is all the more important for liberals not to give up on the idea of the nation. They should recognize that in truth, nothing makes the universalism of liberalism incompatible with a world of nation-states. National identity is malleable, and it can be shaped to reflect liberal aspirations and to instill a sense of community and purpose among a broad public.

    For proof of the abiding importance of national identity, look no further than the trouble Russia has run into in attacking Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed that Ukraine did not have an identity separate from that of Russia and that the country would collapse immediately once his invasion began. Instead, Ukraine has resisted Russia tenaciously precisely because its citizens are loyal to the idea of an independent, liberal democratic Ukraine and do not want to live in a corrupt dictatorship imposed from without. With their bravery, they have made clear that citizens are willing to die for liberal ideals, but only when those ideals are embedded in a country they can call their own.

    LIBERALISM’S SPIRITUAL VACUUM

    Liberal societies struggle to present a positive vision of national identity to their citizens. The theory behind liberalism has great difficulties drawing clear boundaries around communities and explaining what is owed to people inside and outside those boundaries. This is because the theory is built on top of a claim of universalism. As asserted in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights”; further, “Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.” Liberals are theoretically concerned with violations of human rights no matter where in the world they occur. Many liberals dislike the particularistic attachments of nationalists and imagine themselves to be “citizens of the world.”

    The claim of universalism can be hard to reconcile with the division of the world into nation-states. There is no clear liberal theory, for instance, on how to draw national boundaries, a deficit that has led to intraliberal conflicts over the separatism of regions such as Catalonia, Quebec, and Scotland and disagreements over the proper treatment of immigrants and refugees. Populists, such as former U.S. President Donald Trump, have channeled that tension between the universalist aspirations of liberalism and the narrower claims of nationalism to powerful effect.

    Nationalists complain that liberalism has dissolved the bonds of national community and replaced them with a global cosmopolitanism that cares about people in distant countries as much as it cares for fellow citizens. Nineteenth-century nationalists based national identity on biology and believed that national communities were rooted in common ancestry. This continues to be a theme for certain contemporary nationalists, such as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has defined Hungarian national identity as being based on Magyar ethnicity. Other nationalists, such as the Israeli scholar Yoram Hazony, have sought to revise twentieth-century ethnonationalism by arguing that nations constitute coherent cultural units that allow their members to share thick traditions of food, holidays, language, and the like. The American conservative thinker Patrick Deneen has asserted that liberalism constitutes a form of anticulture that has dissolved all forms of preliberal culture, using the power of the state to insert itself into and control every aspect of private life.

    Significantly, Deneen and other conservatives have broken with economic neoliberals and have been vocal in blaming market capitalism for eroding the values of family, community, and tradition. As a result, the twentieth-century categories that defined the political left and right in terms of economic ideology do not fit the present reality neatly, with right-wing groups being willing to countenance the use of state power to regulate both social life and the economy.

    There is considerable overlap between nationalists and religious conservatives. Among the traditions that contemporary nationalists want to preserve are religious ones; thus, the Law and Justice party in Poland has been closely aligned with the Polish Catholic Church and has taken on many of the latter’s cultural complaints about liberal Europe’s support for abortion and same-sex marriage. Similarly, religious conservatives often regard themselves as patriots; this is certainly true for the American evangelicals who formed the core of Trump’s “Make America Great Again” movement.

    The substantive conservative critique of liberalism—that liberal societies provide no strong common moral core around which community can be built—is true enough. This is indeed a feature of liberalism, not a bug. The question for conservatives is whether there is a realistic way to turn back the clock and reimpose a thicker moral order. Some U.S. conservatives hope to return to an imagined time when virtually everyone in the United States was Christian. But modern societies are far more diverse religiously today than at the time of Europe’s religious wars in the sixteenth century. The idea of restoring a shared moral tradition defined by religious belief is a nonstarter. Leaders who hope to effect this kind of restoration, such as Narendra Modi, India’s Hindu nationalist prime minister, are inviting oppression and communal violence. Modi knows this all too well: he was chief minister of the western state of Gujarat when it was racked by communal riots in 2002 that left thousands dead, mostly Muslims. Since 2014, when Modi became prime minister, he and his allies have sought to tie Indian national identity to the masts of Hinduism and the Hindi language, a sea change from the secular pluralism of India’s liberal founders.

    THE INESCAPABLE STATE

    Illiberal forces around the world will continue to use appeals to nationalism as a powerful electoral weapon. Liberals may be tempted to dismiss this rhetoric as jingoistic and crude. But they should not cede the nation to their opponents.

    Liberalism, with its universalist pretensions, may sit uneasily alongside seemingly parochial nationalism, but the two can be reconciled. The goals of liberalism are entirely compatible with a world divided into nation-states. All societies need to make use of force, both to preserve internal order and to protect themselves from external enemies. A liberal society does this by creating a powerful state but then constraining the state’s power under the rule of law. The state’s power is based on a social contract among autonomous individuals who agree to give up some of their rights to do as they please in return for the state’s protection. It is legitimized by both the common acceptance of the law and, if it is a liberal democracy, popular elections.

    Liberal rights are meaningless if they cannot be enforced by a state, which, according to the German sociologist Max Weber’s famous definition, is a legitimate monopoly of force over a defined territory. The territorial jurisdiction of a state necessarily corresponds to the area occupied by the group of individuals who signed on to the social contract. People living outside that jurisdiction must have their rights respected, but not necessarily enforced, by that state.

    States with a delimited territorial jurisdiction therefore remain critical political actors, because they are the only ones able to exercise a legitimate use of force. In today’s globalized world, power is employed by a wide variety of bodies, from multinational corporations to nonprofit groups to terrorist organizations to supranational bodies such as the European Union and the United Nations. The need for international cooperation in addressing issues such as global warming and pandemics has never been more evident. But it remains the case that one particular form of power, the ability to enforce rules through the threat or the actual use of force, remains under the control of nation-states. Neither the European Union nor the International Air Transport Association deploys its own police or army to enforce the rules it sets. Such organizations still depend on the coercive capacity of the countries that empowered them. To be sure, there is today a large body of international law that in many domains displaces national-level law; think, for example, of the European Union’s acquis communautaire, which serves as a kind of common law to regulate commerce and settle disputes. But in the end, international law continues to rely on national-level enforcement. When EU member states disagree on important matters of policy, as they did during the euro crisis of 2010 and the migrant crisis of 2015, the outcome is decided not by European law but by the relative power of the member states. Ultimate power, in other words, continues to be the province of nation-states, which means that the control of power at this level remains critical.

    There is thus no necessary contradiction between liberal universalism and the need for nation-states. Although the normative value of human rights may be universal, enforcement power is not; it is a scarce resource that is necessarily applied in a territorially delimited way. A liberal state is perfectly justified in granting different levels of rights to citizens and noncitizens, because it does not have the resources or the writ to protect rights universally. All people within the state’s territory are due the equal protection of the law, but only citizens are full participants in the social contract, with special rights and duties, in particular the right to vote.

    The fact that states remain the locus of coercive power should inspire caution about proposals to create new supranational bodies and to delegate such power to them. Liberal societies have had several hundred years of experience learning how to constrain power at a national level through rule-of-law and legislative institutions and how to balance power so that its use reflects general interests. They have no idea how to create such institutions at a global level, where, for example, a global court or legislature would be able to constrain the arbitrary decisions of a global executive. The European Union is the product of the most serious effort to do this at a regional level; the result is an awkward system characterized by excessive weakness in some domains (fiscal policy, foreign affairs) and excessive power in others (economic regulation). Europe at least has a certain common history and cultural identity that do not exist at the global level. International institutions such as the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court continue to rely on states to enforce their writs.

    The German philosopher Immanuel Kant imagined a condition of “perpetual peace” in which a world populated by liberal states would regulate international relations through law rather than by resorting to violence. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has demonstrated, unfortunately, that the world has not yet reached this post-historical moment and that raw military power remains the ultimate guarantor of peace for liberal countries. The nation-state is therefore unlikely to disappear as the crucial actor in global politics.

    THE GOOD LIFE

    The conservative critique of liberalism contains, at its core, a reasonable skepticism of the liberal emphasis on individual autonomy. Liberal societies assume an equality of human dignity, a dignity that is rooted in an individual’s ability to make choices. For that reason, they are dedicated to protecting that autonomy as a matter of basic rights. But although autonomy is a fundamental liberal value, it is not the sole human good that automatically trumps all other visions of the good life.

    The realm of what is accepted as autonomy has steadily expanded over time, broadening from the choice to obey rules within an existing moral framework to making up those rules for oneself. But respect for autonomy was meant to manage and moderate the competition of deeply held beliefs, not to displace those beliefs in their entirety. 

    Not every human being thinks that maximizing his or her personal autonomy is the most important goal of life or that disrupting every existing form of authority is necessarily a good thing. Many people are happy to limit their freedom of choice by accepting religious and moral frameworks that connect them with other people or by living within inherited cultural traditions. The U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment was meant to protect the free exercise of religion, not to protect citizens from religion.

    Successful liberal societies have their own culture and their own understanding of the good life, even if that vision may be thinner than those offered by societies bound by a single doctrine. They cannot be neutral with regard to the values that are necessary to sustain themselves as liberal societies. They need to prioritize public-spiritedness, tolerance, open-mindedness, and active engagement in public affairs if they are to cohere. They need to prize innovation, entrepreneurship, and risk-taking if they are to prosper economically. A society of inward-looking individuals interested only in maximizing their personal consumption will not be a society at all.

    States are important not just because they are the locus of legitimate power and the instruments for controlling violence. They are also a singular source of community. Liberal universalism on one level flies in the face of the nature of human sociability. People feel the strongest bonds of affection for those closest to them, such as friends and family; as the circle of acquaintance widens, their sense of obligation inevitably attenuates. As human societies have grown larger and more complex over the centuries, the boundaries of solidarity have expanded dramatically from families and villages and tribes to entire countries. But few people love humanity as a whole. For most people around the world, the country remains the largest unit of solidarity to which they feel an instinctive loyalty. Indeed, that loyalty becomes a critical underpinning of the state’s legitimacy and thus its ability to govern. In certain societies, a weak national identity can have disastrous consequences, as is evident in some struggling developing countries, such as Myanmar and Nigeria, and in some failed states, such as Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria.

    THE CASE FOR LIBERAL NATIONALISM

    This argument may seem similar to ones made by Hazony, the conservative Israeli scholar, in his 2018 book, The Virtue of Nationalism, in which he advocates a global order based on the sovereignty of nation-states. 

    He makes an important point in warning against the tendency of liberal countries, such as the United States, to go too far in seeking to remake the rest of the world in their own image. But he is wrong in assuming that the existing countries are clearly demarcated cultural units and that a peaceful global order can be built by accepting them as they are. Today’s countries are social constructions that are the byproducts of historical struggles that often involved conquest, violence, forced assimilation, and the deliberate manipulation of cultural symbols. There are better and worse forms of national identity, and societies can exercise agency in choosing among them.

    In particular, if national identity is based on fixed characteristics such as race, ethnicity, or religious heritage, then it becomes a potentially exclusionary category that violates the liberal principle of equal dignity. Although there is no necessary contradiction between the need for national identity and liberal universalism, there is nonetheless a powerful potential point of tension between the two principles. When based on fixed characteristics, national identity can turn into aggressive and exclusive nationalism, as it did in Europe during the first part of the twentieth century.

    A society of inward-looking individuals will not be a society at all.

    For this reason, liberal societies should not formally recognize groups based on fixed identities such as race, ethnicity, or religious heritage. There are times, of course, when this becomes inevitable, and liberal principles fail to apply. In many parts of the world, ethnic or religious groups have occupied the same territory for generations and have their own thick cultural and linguistic traditions. In the Balkans, the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia, ethnic or religious identity is de facto an essential characteristic for most people, and assimilating them into a broader national culture is highly unrealistic. It is possible to organize a form of liberal politics around several cultural units; India, for example, recognizes multiple national languages and has in the past permitted its states to set their own policies with regard to education and legal systems. Federalism and the concomitant devolution of powers to subnational units are often necessary in such diverse countries. Power can be formally allocated to different groups defined by their cultural identity in a structure that political scientists call “consociationalism.” Although this has worked reasonably well in the Netherlands, the practice has been disastrous in places such as Bosnia, Iraq, and Lebanon, where identity groups see themselves locked in a zero-sum struggle. In societies in which cultural groups have not yet hardened into self-regarding units, it is therefore much better to deal with citizens as individuals rather than as members of identity groups.


    On the other hand, there are other aspects of national identity that can be adopted voluntarily and therefore shared more broadly, such as literary traditions, historical narratives, and language, food, and sports. Catalonia, Quebec, and Scotland are all regions with distinct historical and cultural traditions, and they all include nationalist partisans seeking complete separation from the country to which they are linked. There is little doubt that these regions would continue to be liberal societies respecting individual rights were they to separate, just as the Czech Republic and Slovakia did after they became separate countries in 1993.

    National identity represents obvious dangers but also an opportunity. It is a social construct, and it can be shaped to support, rather than undermine, liberal values. Many countries have historically been molded out of diverse populations that feel a strong sense of community based on political principles or ideals rather than deterministic group categories. Australia, Canada, France, India, and the United States are all countries that in recent decades have sought to construct national identities based on political principles rather than race, ethnicity, or religion. The United States has gone through a long and painful process of redefining what it means to be an American, progressively removing barriers to citizenship based on class, race, and gender—although this process is still incomplete and has experienced many setbacks. In France, the construction of a national identity began with the French Revolution’s Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, which established an ideal of citizenship based on a common language and culture. In the mid-twentieth century, Australia and Canada were countries with dominant white-majority populations and restrictive laws regarding immigration and citizenship, such as the notorious “White Australia” policy, which kept out immigrants from Asia. Both, however, reconstructed their national identities on nonracial lines after the 1960s and opened themselves up to massive immigration. Today, both countries have larger foreign-born populations than does the United States, with little of the United States’ polarization and white backlash.
     
    Nonetheless, the difficulty of forging a common identity in sharply divided democracies should not be underestimated. Most contemporary liberal societies were built on top of historical nations whose understandings of national identity had been forged through illiberal methods. France, Germany, Japan, and South Korea were all nations before they became liberal democracies; the United States, as many have noted, was a state before it became a nation. The process of defining the American nation in liberal political terms has been long, arduous, and periodically violent, and even today that process is being challenged by people on both the left and the right with sharply competing narratives about the country’s origins.

    Liberalism would be in trouble if people saw it as nothing more than a mechanism for peacefully managing diversity, without a broader sense of national purpose. People who have experienced violence, war, and dictatorship generally long to live in a liberal society, as Europeans did in the period after 1945. But as people get used to a peaceful life under a liberal regime, they tend to take that peace and order for granted and start longing for a politics that will direct them to higher ends. In 1914, Europe had been largely free of devastating conflict for nearly a century, and masses of people were happy to march off to war despite the enormous material progress that had occurred in the interim.

    The world has perhaps arrived at a similar point in human history: it has been free from large-scale interstate war for three-quarters of a century and has, in the meantime, seen a massive increase in global prosperity that has produced equally massive social change. The European Union was created as an antidote to the nationalism that had led to the world wars and in that respect has been successful beyond all hopes. But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine augurs more disarray and violence ahead.

    At this juncture, two very different futures present themselves. If Putin is successful in undermining Ukrainian independence and democracy, the world will return to an era of aggressive and intolerant nationalism reminiscent of the early twentieth century. The United States will not be immune from this trend, as populists such as Trump aspire to replicate Putin’s authoritarian ways. On the other hand, if Putin leads Russia into a debacle of military and economic failure, the chance remains to relearn the liberal lesson that power unconstrained by law leads to national disaster and to revive the ideals of a free and democratic world.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:50 pm

    Kakvi naporno opstemestasenje (doduse, samo sam preleteo boldovane delove).


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    Post by Del Cap Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:16 pm

    pa da, to je i moj utisak, čekao sam jaku i novu poentu kad ono ništa posebno.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Apr 03, 2022 2:22 pm

    Ja sam ovde marksista - sredstva za proizvodnju i proizvodni odnosi su prosto prevazisli ne samo klasicne nation-states, nego i klasicne imperije. Tj njih prvo. Mislim, plitko je ovo, ali ima se o cemu raspravljati, no ne mogu sad.
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    Post by паће Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:41 pm

    Па јес, нашао је тренутак, а и онако баздуљевски извукао две-три ствари, потпуно пренебрегао крдо слонова у соби, и храбро ка доказу тезе.


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    Post by Јанош Винету Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:27 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Ja sam ovde marksista - sredstva za proizvodnju i proizvodni odnosi su prosto prevazisli ne samo klasicne nation-states, nego i klasicne imperije. Tj njih prvo. Mislim, plitko je ovo, ali ima se o cemu raspravljati, no ne mogu sad.

    Овде бих се сагласио са овим, мислио сам да контрирам и опонирам али моје лично искуство то потврђује. 

    Све успешне мултинационалне корпорације имају седиште и руководство у некој нацији-држави али производњу у неких других шеснаест држава а запослене узимају одакле год је могуће. 

    У овом систему слободне трговине робом и новцем то им највише одговара.
    Тржиште радне снаге није тако либерализовано али и ту има великог помака.


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    Post by паће Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:35 pm

    Јанош Винету wrote:
    Тржиште радне снаге није тако либерализовано али и ту има великог помака.

    Помака... али и даље постоје границе и пасоши и визе и радне дозволе. Лакше је преместити фирму или пребацити паре, него се запослити у неком тамоу. Ту постојање националних држава управо служи да сузбије кретање радне снаге.


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