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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:41 am

Pržun wrote:Jeste, ruralna tradicionalnost protiv gradskih novotarija. I to je jos jedna linija sukoba. 


Medjutim, sta je sad moja poenta. Vikinski varvari i saksonski jeomeni mozda mogu privredjivati na drugaciji nacin, ali su opet deo iste ruralne, tradicionalne, kakogod kulture. Isto kao sto su onaj lumpen geta, sto se bavi sitnim kriminalnom, i onaj IT hipster deo iste urbane kulture.

vikinzi su za saksonca elementarna nepogoda. kada se skupi velika paganska armija da osveti ragnara engleska gori a kralj se krije u mocvari i misli da je doslovce dosao kraj sveta.

it hipster, na primer, kupuje vutru od lumpena.


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Post by William Murderface on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:42 am

Ne, ta je podela odavno među nama i Holivud je samo vešto (zlo)upotrebljava. U pitanju je drevna mitologija Robina Huda, priprostog čoveka sa sela, koji će u naše ime oteti zlato od ekonomskih i političkih elita iz grada.

Jao, lebe mekani.

Robin Hood, previously known as Robin of Locksley, was the Lord of Locksley and the Earl of Huntington. He was seen as a hero across Nottinghamshire for giving up his own titles to save the peasants of Locksley and across Nottinghamshire. Often seen by his men as thoughtful and brave, he is also known for being arrogant, naive, and for risking other people's lives for his own glory. Robin fought for King Richard in Acre, Israel, during the Third Crusade with his manservant Much whom Robin made a free man after his return from the Holy Land. Robin, after his return, lost his lands, house and title and was Outlawed, becoming the people of Nottinghamshire's only hope


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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:47 am

Pa dobro. Niti su se odnosi vikinga sa drugima svodili samo na pljacku, niti gradski lumpeni zive samo od prodaje narkotika. Nego i od razbojnistva, kradje kola, provale, dzeparenja itd. Visoke gradske klase zive u konstantom strahu od sirotinje i lumpena. Otud izdvajanje u ekskluzivna naselja, visoke ograde, privatno obezbedjenje itd.
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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:48 am

ostap bender wrote:ma slobodan selenic koji se nagutao pop kulture. btw, kod selenica je jasnine - seljak je dobar na selu, kada se pokrene (odnosno kada se varvarizuje) postaje problem. tada lomi klavire i jebe gospodje.

ja uopste nisam siguran da Selenic te koji lomi klavire i jebe gospodje vidi kao "jeomene". Mnogo mi vise lice, u njegovom prikazu, na "varvare".


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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:49 am

Pržun wrote:Pa dobro. Niti su se odnosi vikinga sa drugima svodili samo na pljacku, niti gradski lumpeni zive samo od prodaje narkotika. Nego i od razbojnistva, kradje kola, provale, dzeparenja itd. Visoke gradske klase zive u konstantom strahu od sirotinje i lumpena. Otud izdvajanje u ekskluzivna naselja, visoke ograde, privatno obezbedjenje itd.

Dakle da "remiziramo": jeomeni i hipsteri zive od postenog rada, dok lumpeni i varvari zive od razbojnistva  Tribute to Batman - Page 4 2304934895


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Post by William Murderface on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:53 am

Vote DJB!


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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:54 am

William Murderface wrote:Vote DJB!

+1

DJB mu dodje kao neka farsa petooktobarske koalicije, mister bean varijanta iste


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Post by William Murderface on Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:58 am

Kinder Lad wrote:
William Murderface wrote:Vote DJB!

+1

DJB mu dodje kao neka farsa petooktobarske koalicije, mister bean Istok Pavlović varijanta iste


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:01 am

Pržun wrote:Pa dobro. Niti su se odnosi vikinga sa drugima svodili samo na pljacku, niti gradski lumpeni zive samo od prodaje narkotika. Nego i od razbojnistva, kradje kola, provale, dzeparenja itd. Visoke gradske klase zive u konstantom strahu od sirotinje i lumpena. Otud izdvajanje u ekskluzivna naselja, visoke ograde, privatno obezbedjenje itd.

to je u okviru istog drustva. varvarin autsajder, nemec, neko ko ne govori tvoj jezik.  antonim od gradjanin. 

samim tim industrijski radnik nije varvarin, seljak nije varvarin ali emigrant iz predgradja koji razbija kola - mladi divljak sto bi rekao sarkozi jeste., ovom logikom varvari bi bili oni koji uopste ne glasaju danas - emigranti, teroristi, pobunjenici...


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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:02 am

Svi ti kulturni koncepti i konstrukti u Kisjunhasovom tekstu su sumanuti. Zna se oko cega se lome koplja u Srbiji: privatizacija i EU.


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:04 am

tacno. za razliku od francuske, us of a i britanije gde postoji makar jos jedan momenat.


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Post by Kondo on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:05 am

pomozite mi, kada seljak postaje seljan i obrnuto?


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Post by William Murderface on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:07 am

Boli mozak od Kišjuhasa

Podrška Bregzitu bila je najviša u ruralnim oblastima Engleske, a ruralna Francuska je ta koja pruža podršku Marin le Pen. Čak i u Nemačkoj, gde ne postoji (tolika) dominacija jednog glavnog grada, najveće protivljenje migrantima je u ruralnim zonama.

A može i ovako:

I once asked Danny Dorling why, when I was at school, geography was about the shapes of rivers, but now all the best-known geographers seem to be Marxists. He said it’s because when you look at a map and see that the people on one side of some line are rich and healthy and long-lived and the people on the other side are poor and sick and die young, you start to wonder why, and that turns you towards deep-causal explanations, which then lead in the direction of Marxism. Travelling around England, I’ve often had cause to remember that remark. We’re used to political analysis based on class, not least because Britain’s political system is arranged around two political parties whose fundamental orientations are around class. What strikes you if you travel to different parts of the country, though, is that the primary reality of modern Britain is not so much class as geography. Geography is destiny. And for much of the country, not a happy destiny.
To be born in many places in Britain is to suffer an irreversible lifelong defeat – a truncation of opportunity, of education, of access to power, of life expectancy. The people who grow up in these places come from a cultural background which equipped them for reasonably well-paid manual labour, un- and semi- and skilled. Children left school as soon as they could and went to work in the same industries that had employed their parents. The academically able kids used to go to grammar school and be educated into the middle class. All that has now gone, the jobs and the grammar schools, and the vista instead is a landscape where there is often work – there are pockets of unemployment, but in general there’s no shortage of jobs and the labour force participation rate is the highest it has ever been, a full 15 points higher than in the US – but it’s unsatisfying, insecure and low-paid. This new work doesn’t do what the old work did: it doesn’t offer a sense of identity or community or self-worth. The word ‘precarious’ has as its underlying sense ‘depending on the favour of another person’. Somebody can take away the things you have whenever they feel like it. The precariat, as the new class is called, might not know the etymology, but it doesn’t need to: the reality is all too familiar.


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:10 am

Kondo wrote:pomozite mi, kada seljak postaje seljan i obrnuto?

kada ode na fakultet i dobije kolumnu.


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:11 am

mislim, ja samo branim konana, sardukare i frimene od kisjujhuhasa.


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Post by паће on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:24 am

Kondo wrote:pomozite mi, kada seljak postaje seljan i obrnuto?

Онако без зајебанције, сељани су сви житељи села, дакле сељак може да буде и сељанин, мада може да буде и грађанин (има још у мом крају, негде на пола пута између центра и старе индустријске зоне, још доста кућа са котаркама и шталама и шупама за кола/тракторе). С друге стране може да буде сељанин неко ко није сељак, нпр. сеоски ковач, ћата, бирташ итд.


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Post by Kondo on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:29 am

nije ti to bas sasvim tacno, ne mora da znaci da je seljak ekonomska odrednica


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Post by паће on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:32 am

Па може као културна, али тек то нема везе са тим да ли је сељанин или није. Сељанин си ако живиш на селу, грађанин ако живиш у граду, номад ако живиш на путу, а за оне који су деци оставили станове и отишли да живе у викендицама нисам баш начисто. Да ли су викенђани или викендијанци или нешто треће?


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Post by uskok i ajduk on Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:38 am

паће wrote:Сељанин си ако живиш на селу, грађанин ако живиш у граду, номад ако живиш на путу

А ако живиш у граду, а радиш на селу?  Tribute to Batman - Page 4 2304934895


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Post by паће on Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:07 am

uskok i ajduk wrote:
паће wrote:Сељанин си ако живиш на селу, грађанин ако живиш у граду, номад ако живиш на путу

А ако живиш у граду, а радиш на селу?  Tribute to Batman - Page 4 2304934895

Гастарбајтер грађанин Tribute to Batman - Page 4 1143415371. Зависи шта радиш - већ сам споменуо градске сељаке, који у сред града имају сеоска газдинства. Моја основна школа гледа једном таквом у авлију, са све стогом сламе и гомилом кукурузовине за краве, а преко његовог крова се види новоградња; до центра има отприлике километар. Не знам где су му биле њиве (његов син је ишао са мном у разред, ал' никад нисам питао), ал' нису могле бити далеко ван града.

Или си, рецимо, пајкан, живиш у граду а радиш у сеоској станици. Обратно је чешће, дакако, ал' има и овог.


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Post by beatakeshi on Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:25 am

Kako bi vas Pol Pot razjurio.
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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:55 am

pristajem ako ukine kolumne danasa.


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Post by Kondo on Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:30 pm

kolumne politike >>>> kolumne danasa


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:33 pm

danas je ponor gluposti a politika samo ponor.


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Post by plachkica on Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:34 pm

ostap bender wrote:ma slobodan selenic koji se nagutao pop kulture. btw, kod selenica je jasnine - seljak je dobar na selu, kada se pokrene (odnosno kada se varvarizuje) postaje problem. tada lomi klavire i jebe gospodje.


A žene vole da ih seljak jebe, i tu onda pošteni građanin nema šanse.
Žene su krive.

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