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Lider Dveri Boško Obradović izjavio je danas da seksualna orjentacija nije ljudsko pravo kao i da je nedostojno svoditi čovekovu ličnost na njegovu seksualnost. Kaže da apsolutno neće podržati Paradu ponosa u Beogradu.

“Poštujem njihovo prisustvo u zajedničkoj borbi protiv izborne krađe, spreman sam da podržim svakoga ko trpi bilo kakvu diskriminaciju ali gej parada je nebitna i nametnuta tema. Ima važnijih tema koje su marginalizovane, poput problema bele kuge ili katastrofalnog stanja u poljprivredi, kao i problemi onih koji imaju kredite u švajcarskim francima”, rekao je on.

“Što se nas tiče, gej parada vređa javni moral Srbije i samo je prvi korak ka paradiranju kroz ostale sfere sistema. Njihov cilj nije gej parada ni okupljanje nego bi da zagospodare udžbenicima, školama, medijima, politikom, zakonodavstvom... A krajnji cilj im je da legalizuju homoseksualne brakove i da im se omogući usvajanje dece. Mi smo protiv ovekve ideologije i po uzoru na rusko zakonodavstvo preložićemo zakon o zabrani promocije homoseksualizma maloletnim licima”, istakao je Obradović u izjavi za N1.

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Post n°102

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Post by beatakeshi Tue May 17, 2016 8:03 pm

Lider Dveri Boško Obradović izjavio je danas da seksualna orjentacija nije ljudsko pravo

Kakva kvalitetna krletina!

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Post by boomer crook Tue May 17, 2016 9:46 pm

moze da bude zanimljivo

https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/05/15/gay-imperialism-universality-particularity-and-capitalist-civilization/

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post n°104

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Post by Agdw Hmlkh Tue May 17, 2016 10:56 pm

hvala hvala !

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Post by boomer crook Tue May 17, 2016 11:23 pm

uopste je dobar blog

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post n°106

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 1:43 am

Tekst je neverovatno glup.

Is there a reason leftists are so ready to condemn queer and feminist organizations that sanction or lend ideological support to imperialism, yet hesitate to condemn anti-imperialist groups which espouse hatred and violence toward women and gays?

Da, razlog je sasvim očigledan i sastoji se u tome što su te anti-imperijalističke grupe (partije, gerilske grupe itd) jedno hiljadu puta politički relevantnije i preko njih se prelamaju neka važna pitanja. Ovo konstatujem kao neko koga ne zanima "anti-imperijalizam", samo mi je smešno ovo pitanje.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 2:00 am

Naravno da nije glup a pitanje je legitimno. Ja sam vise na lenjinistickim pozicijama ali je jasno sta bi tek on rekao o, na primer, srpskom nacionalizmu kao identitetskoj politici.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 2:08 am

Pa ne znam da li je legitimno, ali je glupo. "Anti-imperijalističke grupe" (ono što levičari vide tako) bile su često jedna strana u ratu, nekad vladajuće partije, grupe koje stoje iza velikih terorističkih napada itd. Ne vidim kako to može da se poredi sa feministkinjama i LGBT grupama.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 2:11 am

Pa u toj meri sto su lgbt grupe cesto deo tvojih lokalnih saveza. Neke mikro-politike kojih se odrices ili ocekujuci da ces pridobiti krajnju desnicu ili kako bi podrzao nekog romantizovani i egzotizovani partikularizam.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 2:15 am

Takodje valjda je jadno da su te 'vrednosti' deo levog polja delovanja. Zastita manjina, internacionalizam i all that jazz. Ta neka pritvorenost slabosti, staljinizam bez tenkova i ekonomski redukcionizam koji prikriva saveze sa desnicom u kojima se usvajaju njene vrednosti (kao kada bi molotov ribentropu obeca da ce izruciti sve sovjetske jevreje) je uvek kontraproduktivan.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 2:22 am

ostap bender wrote:Pa u toj meri sto su lgbt grupe cesto deo tvojih lokalnih saveza. Neke mikro-politike kojih se odrices ili ocekujuci da ces pridobiti krajnju desnicu ili kako bi podrzao nekog romantizovani i egzotizovani partikularizam.

Ne mora da bude politički oportunizam, u većini slučajeva je to društveni i politički antagonizam koji oni mogu smatrati bitnijim od tih "mikro-politika".

Opet kažem, ja niti podržavam SWP niti bih takve antagonizme uzimao kao meni bitne. Samo ne razumem šta je autoru članka toliko nejasno u svemu ovome.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 2:26 am

Ovo sto si napisao nije odgovor.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 2:29 am

Oni ne moraju biti tek puki oportunisti. Prosto možda misle da je u datom trenutku za političko pozicioniranje bitnije šta neko misli o Hezbolahu ili Hamasu, nego o feminizmu i LGBT pravima.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 2:50 am

Koja je to situacija koja ih sprecava da se odrede prema situaciji s svojih pozicija. Sta ih sprecava da kazu podrzavamo borbu palestinskog naroda ali osudjujemo javna pogubljena fatahovaca i homoseksualaca?

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 3:02 am

Pa zato što to tebi može da znači jedno, ali će javnosti u jednoj zapadnoj zemlji značiti nešto sasvim drugo - 'homonacionalizam' i to.

Na stranu to što bi takvo "određivanje prema situaciji" bilo apsurdno, nešto kao kada bi ti sad rekao podržavam Dveri ali osuđujem njihov odnos prema homoseksualcima.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 3:07 am

pa kako kada su dveri bas od toga napravile svoju politiku?

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 3:09 am

mislim los ti je primer. ne postoji nijedan aspekt politike dveri koji bi trebalo podrzati bilo u odnosu prema globalnom bilo prema lokalnom. hamas/hezbolah su vec druga prica i gro njihovog clanstva u njima vidi otpor stranoj okupaciji. to ostavlja prostora za manevre. bas kao sto i lenjin i fanon kazu.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by No Country Wed May 18, 2016 3:10 am

fernoux-h wrote:podržavam Dveri ali osuđujem njihov odnos prema homoseksualcima.

Sounds like someone we know.

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 3:12 am

Jednostavno politika nije hemija i ne možeš ti da biraš šta ti se sviđa pa da ređaš.

Recimo ti u Srbiji možeš da kažeš ja podržavam Paradu i podržavam radničku klasu. Ali čim si napravio ovaj prvi izbor, drugi je potpuno beznačajan - ti si zauzeo jednu objektivno liberalnu poziciju. Kao Srbljanovićka koja je protiv NATO i podržava "poštovanje različitosti" i sl. Niko ne zna da je ona protiv NATO, niti ga to zanima, koliko god ona puta to ponovila. Znaju je po stavovima o LGBT, nacionalizmu itd. a njen stav o NATO je tu potpuno nebitan.

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 3:14 am

ovo tek nista ne znaci. i naravno da nije politika hemija al je jos manje rasprodaja gde se kupuje djuture.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 3:15 am

mislim prava politika pocinje tek kada shvatis da ne pripadas niti jednoj od strana u sporu (koji u slucaju parade nije radnicka klasa vs liberali) vec da imas svoju poziciju. sve drugo je mukanje i persiflaza. lenjin je govorio da se kompromisi prave kada znas gde stojis.

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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started

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Post by fernoux-h Wed May 18, 2016 3:16 am

ostap bender wrote:hamas/hezbolah su vec druga prica i gro njihovog clanstva u njima vidi otpor stranoj okupaciji.

E pa upravo to. A u feminizmu ne vidi ništa posebno, prema njemu se odnosi na jedan pasivan, konzervativan način zajedno sa jedno sto drugih stvari koje se kose sa konzervativnim i religioznim stavovima.

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Post by Filipenko Wed May 18, 2016 9:20 am

Koliko ja razumem, fernoux podržava LGB Terorizam, ali mu je problem kada se levičari organizuju i oružjem ištu prava koja su im uskraćena ili se bore za gole živote?

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Post by boomer crook Wed May 18, 2016 10:43 am

fernoux-h wrote:

ostap bender wrote:hamas/hezbolah su vec druga prica i gro njihovog clanstva u njima vidi otpor stranoj okupaciji.

E pa upravo to. A u feminizmu ne vidi ništa posebno, prema njemu se odnosi na jedan pasivan, konzervativan način zajedno sa jedno sto drugih stvari koje se kose sa konzervativnim i religioznim stavovima.

To opet nista ne znaci za njihove mikropolitike niti znaci ista ako se nekriticki podrzava svako ko je protiv 'zapada'.

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Post by kondo Wed May 18, 2016 11:00 am

ne podrzavam dveri ali podrzavam boskovu izjavu. potpuno je sumanuto ocekivati da ce stranka koja svoj identitet u najvaznijem delu bazira na "porodicnim", heteroseksualnim vrednostima odjednom skociti da brani LGBT prava samo zato sto su neke LGBT organizacije skocile u odbranu izbornog procesa (na stranu sto ga nisu odbranile). razumem zasto je ovim organizacijama vazno da smeksaju dveri ali je to budalasta ideja jednako kao sto bi bilo budalasto da 1 bosko obradovic podrzi prajd.

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