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They share a home and could soon share the top jobs in the Labour Party. Rebecca Long Bailey, the shadow business secretary, is to stand on a joint ticket with Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, to succeed Jeremy Corbyn.
Ms Long Bailey has the backing of John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, and will run for leader with her friend and flatmate as her deputy. The two have shared a flat in London since becoming MPs in 2015 and their friendship is thought to have meant that they did not want to compete for the same position.
Both represent Greater Manchester constituencies and joined the shadow cabinet to fill vacancies caused by resignations after the 2016 EU referendum.
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Anduril wrote:
Zaboravio sam ovo - ako imas flat tax od 25% to su ti otprilike liberali (mala do srednja drzava), ali ako imas 50% flat tax, to je vec levica koja moze time da plati gotovo sve Korbinove planove.
Dakle, nije pitanje liberali ili levica, nego princip vs klijentelizam.
Aman, Andurile, prijatelju...
Nije poenta u porezima. Nju Dilovsko dizanje poreza je bilo posledica, a ne uzrok uspona socijaldemokratije. Ne zaboravi da u to vreme imaš Rusiju koju je progutao socijalizam, i u kojoj buržoaziju tamane kao vaške. Imaš Nemačku koja je na ivici da joj se dogodi isto. U isto vreme, u SAD se milioni radnika tuku s policijom, seljaci se hvataju za puške i beže u šume. Imaš deset hiljada rudara koji dižu oružanu pobunu, pa američka vojska mora da uleće da interveniše... Porezi su došli nakon toga, a ne nakon medijskih finti preko Gardijana.
Radnik građanin je u ono vreme bio nosilac moći. Ako on neće da radi, nema vozova, šporeta, kamiona... Nema tenkova, nema bombi, nema koga da drži pušku kada crveni tenkovi nagrnu. Dakle, imalo se sa čime da se pregovara.
Danas svega toga više nema. Globalizacija i kretenizmi su stanovništvo pretvorili u prekarijat i klijentelu - ljude bez svrhe i bez realne političke moći. Očekivati od njih da budu građani je naivno. Alo, Srbi-Burunđani, shvatite to već jednom.
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KinderLad wrote:They share a home and could soon share the top jobs in the Labour Party. Rebecca Long Bailey, the shadow business secretary, is to stand on a joint ticket with Angela Rayner, shadow education secretary, to succeed Jeremy Corbyn.
Ms Long Bailey has the backing of John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, and will run for leader with her friend and flatmate as her deputy. The two have shared a flat in London since becoming MPs in 2015 and their friendship is thought to have meant that they did not want to compete for the same position.
Both represent Greater Manchester constituencies and joined the shadow cabinet to fill vacancies caused by resignations after the 2016 EU referendum.
The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, has cleared the way for her friend Rebecca Long-Bailey to run as the leftwing successor to Jeremy Corbyn, deciding instead to focus on becoming deputy leader.
Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary, had long been regarded as the leadership’s pick for the top job. She is expected to win the backing of the party’s largest donor, Unite, and of key Corbyn allies including elections chief Karie Murphy.
Long-Bailey, who is the MP for Salford, was given a prominent role during the election campaign, including as Labour’s spokeswoman in TV debates, and has stood in for Corbyn at PMQs. But Rayner has built up a significant public profile, and was regarded as a strong potential leadership contender.
However, in a move one colleague described as “sisterly” she is now expected to run for deputy leader instead – smoothing the path for Long-Bailey.
Allies of Rayner said she had yet not made a final decision but that discussions with colleagues were focused on the deputy position.
Other Labour MPs expected to run for the leadership include shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer, Wigan MP Lisa Nandy, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry and high-profile backbencher Jess Phillips.
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bruno sulak wrote:https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/12/corbynism-over-labour-s-next-leader-must-unite-centre-and-left
And soon — before the 2020 local council elections — we need a new leader of the opposition. They have to be a person of stature and experience to withstand what’s coming. They have to be someone who can unite the Labour centre and the left. Not many of the contenders fit that bill.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/election-labour-lib-dems-leader-change-policy-tony-blair-centre-a9247156.html
I’m 56 and only one non-Tory leader, Tony Blair, has won an election in my adult life. Meanwhile, five Tory leaders have won eight elections, the last by a landslide on Thursday.
So a starting point in this “period of reflection” for Labour and the Liberal Democrats is to reflect on what Blair got right and Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Miliband, and equally Nick Clegg and Jo Swinson, got wrong.
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da, šta je toni bler uradio dobro?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Tony_Blair#United_Kingdom_general_electionsMr. Moonlight wrote:da, šta je toni bler uradio dobro?
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Mr. Moonlight wrote:da, šta je toni bler uradio dobro?
bio dobar s rupertom merdokom. cak su i kumovi. onda mu bler jebo zenu.
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https://www.rebeccalongbailey.com/about/
Well...
Well...
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@Garg
Ajoj, a ti nisi bio ciničan...
A da nije možda zbog toga što je u to vreme neoliberalibralni bubble bio na vrhuncu, a konzumerizmom opijena masa bila progresivno nastrojena, ili makar tolerantna?
Ajoj, a ti nisi bio ciničan...
A da nije možda zbog toga što je u to vreme neoliberalibralni bubble bio na vrhuncu, a konzumerizmom opijena masa bila progresivno nastrojena, ili makar tolerantna?
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delom. a možda je delom i neki od razloga koje navodi Adonis.Летећи Полип wrote:A da nije možda zbog toga što je u to vreme neoliberalibralni bubble bio na vrhuncu, a konzumerizmom opijena masa bila progresivno nastrojena, ili makar tolerantna?
npr.
Fifth, successful Labour leaders win by becoming in effect leader of the Liberal Democrats too. That’s what Blair, Attlee and Wilson/Roy Jenkins all did: they united Labour and Liberal England.
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KinderLad wrote:https://www.rebeccalongbailey.com/about/
Well...
na internetu kazu robotizovana, neharizmaticna, suvise bliska mekdonelu. u najboljem slucaju zenski korbin. doduse i to je mnogo bolje nego neki kandidat po ukusu pola mejsona tipa emili tornbri.
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Bler je uzeo centar. Bukvalno ga je oteo Torijevcima koji su se gusili u sektaskim medjusobicama.
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Летећи Полип wrote:@Garg
Ajoj, a ti nisi bio ciničan...
o jeste bio cinican. to mu je politika.
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i mi glupi smo od takvoga blera nikakvu korist da napravimo a radi za nase peneze
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Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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zvezda je zivot wrote:KinderLad wrote:https://www.rebeccalongbailey.com/about/
Well...
na internetu kazu robotizovana, neharizmaticna, suvise bliska mekdonelu. u najboljem slucaju zenski korbin. doduse i to je mnogo bolje nego neki kandidat po ukusu pola mejsona tipa emili tornbri.
Ne, Tornberi nije dobar izbor. Ona sustinski jeste New Labour. Plus s juga. Mislim, obojila bi ponovo ceo London u crveno, ali...cemu. RBL...jbg, stvarno nema "ono nesto". Zna o cemu prica ali...ne znam.
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hic Rhodus, hic saltaKinderLad wrote:Bler je uzeo centar. Bukvalno ga je oteo Torijevcima koji su se gusili u sektaskim medjusobicama.
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pa kleg je bio u vlasti. ne vidim gde je on ovom logikom pogresio. on je libdem bler.
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bruno sulak wrote:pa kleg je bio u vlasti. ne vidim gde je on ovom logikom pogresio. on je libdem bler.
ali libdem nisu labour
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https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32633462bruno sulak wrote:pa kleg je bio u vlasti. ne vidim gde je on ovom logikom pogresio.
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NEW Opinium poll
— Thomas Colson (@tpgcolson) December 13, 2019
The main reasons people did not vote Labour
— The leadership (43%)
— Brexit (17%)
— Their economic policies (12%)
(Research carried out Dec 13) pic.twitter.com/hCwf7zrf0j
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pa adonis kaze da eto i libdemi i lejbor treba da uce od blera. ja pitam sta kleg treba da nauci? da preda stranku chuki npr. i da budu stranka prekarnih radnika iz londona. mislim stvarno ne razumem osim te neke grunfovske logike da je bolje pobediti nego izgubiti.
uzgred budi receno ni braun nije dobio izbore. zar ne?
uzgred budi receno ni braun nije dobio izbore. zar ne?
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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KinderLad wrote:NEW Opinium poll
— Thomas Colson (@tpgcolson) December 13, 2019
The main reasons people did not vote Labour
— The leadership (43%)
— Brexit (17%)
— Their economic policies (12%)
(Research carried out Dec 13) pic.twitter.com/hCwf7zrf0j
osim sto naravno ne znas gde pocinje brexit a gde staje leadership.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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bruno sulak wrote:pa adonis kaze da eto i libdemi i lejbor treba da uce od blera. ja pitam sta kleg treba da nauci? da preda stranku chuki npr. i da budu stranka prekarnih radnika iz londona. mislim stvarno ne razumem osim te neke grunfovske logike da je bolje pobediti nego izgubiti.
uzgred budi receno ni braun nije dobio izbore. zar ne?
kleg treba da nauci da ne ulazi u koaliciju sa konzervama. mada nije njemu lose ni u onoj kuci u kaliforniji...
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Siroma Jeremija. Kad te baš niko ne voli...
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