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Medisone, uponoc!!!

Even though the right turned to judicial fiat far more frequently, liberals have taken a long time to give up on black-robed power to enact their preferences. This was most notable in decisions around the right to privacy and so-called “substantive due process.” In making such choices in cases ranging from Roe v. Wade (which secured abortion rights) to Obergefell v. Hodges (which legalized same-sex marriage), liberals entered an unholy alliance with Kennedy, Kavanaugh’s predecessor, to advance gay and women’s rights on a libertarian rationale—defending the free choice of individuals independent of state control—even though that rationale mostly serves business interests in most areas of law. The endangerment or even loss of precedents that the left cares about (such as Roe) is going to be a grievous blow, and no one should celebrate that outcome. But if it is going to happen anyway, then it is time to pivot to a democratic strategy to protect what we care about.

http://bostonreview.net/law-justice/samuel-moyn-resisting-juristocracy

et Djamolidin

Sasvim moguće. Ne sećam se većeg udara na legitimitet suda za naših života.

disident wrote:Jbg sad, tako moze da se uz mastu nategne bilo sta da ispadne zapravo poraz i katastrofa u najavi, koja kuca , evo samo sto nije pukla
Izdominirali republikanci, tek ce da sledi eksplatisanje ove pobede, a cela frka pre biranja joj samo daje na vaznosti i ore dublje brazdu koja razdvaja americko drustvo

Ne, ma ovo je užas, ali sasvim očekivani užas. Još kad se birao Gorsič, razgovarali smo o opasnosti da još jedan sudija pandrkne i da završimo sa konzervativnom većinom. Niko nije pandrknuo, ali se pičkica Kenedi povukao, i tu smo gde smo. Krizica je izbila samo zato što su sad uspeli da predlože ovako lošeg kandidata, pa se tu javila neka mala nada da možda neće biti izabran, ali ja sam svjedno bio siguran da će se to desiti. Posledice će biti dugoročne i vrlo loše, u to nema sumnje.

Djamolidin hoće da kaže nešto drugo - nije samo po sebi loše da se liberali malo izleče od svoje naivne vere u ustavni sud kao u force for the good. On to već odavno nije (setimo se samo Citizen United, kao najgoreg primera) i dobro je da se sa tom zabludom već jednom raskrsti.

Takođe je tačno i da ovaj izbor potkopava legitimitet suda. Da su izabrali nekog manje problematičnog nego što je i-tebe-sam-sit Kavana, možda bi taj problem bio manje izražen, ali on se na saslušanju potpuno ofirao kao partisan, i to ozbiljno narušava ugled cele institucije kao navodno objektivnog i nepolitičkog (ili bar nepartijskog) arbitra. Istina je da je to uvek bila iluzija, ali sad nije više čak ni to, the jig is up.

Meni ovaj tekst na tu temu bio dobar.

In 2003, Justice Stephen Breyer referred to the “miracle” of national compliance with the court’s edicts, even in the wake of “controversial decisions” like Bush v. Gore. There is nothing inevitable or self-sustaining about this “miracle.” Courts do have some tools to mandate adherence to their orders—namely, their ability to hold individuals in contempt of court. But judges will surely hesitate to hold governors, legislators, and Cabinet secretaries in contempt. The truth is that we haven’t seen massive resistance to the Supreme Court since the segregation battles of the 1950s and ’60s. And despite two presidents’ celebrated efforts to integrate schools with the help of the National Guard, the South’s resistance succeeded in slowing the pace of desegregation.
This precedent is appalling. But it demonstrates that the playbook can work. Progressives should recognize the danger in adopting the tactics of segregationists. Getting to the point of massive liberal resistance to the court would require a significant psychological shift, since the left has long viewed the Supreme Court as a saving grace. Kavanaugh’s confirmation alone won’t bring Democrats all the way there. But if he leads the court into a frenzy of reactionary jurisprudence, progressives may feel they have no other alternative.
No matter the end result of liberal defiance, it will likely transform the Supreme Court’s legitimacy crisis into a full-blown constitutional crisis. Kavanaugh’s confirmation will have poisoned the foundation of the judiciary’s authority. The Supreme Court derives its power from the belief that it sits above the political fray. Brett Kavanaugh is poised to shatter that illusion.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-constitutional-crisis.html

Jel su već počeli sa tim spinom, ili nagađaš? Ne bih se iznenadio, naravno.

Mislim, demokratama niko nije kriv, igrali su bipartisanship igru i kad je uveliko bilo jasno da imaju posla sa ljudima koji idu na sve ili ništa i koji su spremni da pregaze sve i svakog ko im se nađe na putu. Eto im ga sad pristoynity.

et Creepy

Da, upravo sam na to i mislio. Iluzija nepristrasnog ustavnog suda je zapravo oduvek zavisila od spremnosti obe strane da zažmure na jedno oko, a sad je tome kraj. Za pola Amerike Ustavni sud postaje  mesto gde sedi Trampov drugar seksualni zlostavljač koji je lagao pred senatom. Pod legitimnošću sam podrazumevao razloge koje svi akteri prihvataju kao opravdanje autoriteta jedne institucije. Naravno da će republikanci biti listom presrećni, ali stvar je u tome da se održi iluzija nepristrasnosti, a ona se raspada na naše oči.