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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:07 am

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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:30 am

The consequences won’t touch only Maine. This past Saturday, I attended a town hall with Elizabeth Warren in Holyoke, Massachusetts, where a schoolteacher asked Warren if she would be running for President. The surprise was not in Warren’s reply, in which she edged toward announcing her candidacy, saying that she would take a “long, hard look” at the race immediately after the midterms, but in her description of why she might run, which was all about Kavanaugh. “I watched eleven men too chicken to question a woman themselves,” she said. “I watched powerful men helping another powerful man. . . . I thought, Time’s up.’ ” Warren continued, “It’s time for women to go to Washington and fix a broken government, and that includes a woman at the top.” Liberals are anticipating the midterm and 2020 elections in part because they believe they can transform the politics of the country, and in part because waiting for the next election is all they believe they can do.


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Post by MNE on Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:41 am

pa ne znam ko bi se ponašao drugačije u takvoj situaciji, jedino neki debelokožac poput Trampa
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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:51 am

Ajde jbt ne moras svaki put isto, sad ti niko ne dira placipickastog frat boy-a. Okacio sam zbog vesti o Vorenkinoj kandidaturi.

A naravno da moze drugacije. Ko ne moze drugacije, neka se ne kandiduje za sudiju vrhovnog suda. On se onamo ponasao kao da mu je zivot u pitanju. A zapravo, u pitanju je bilo samo unapredjenje. Oces da prestanu da te prozivaju? Povuci kandidaturu and it will all go away. Ali ne, frat boy je naviko na privilegije pa to ti je.


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Post by KinderLad on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:04 am

Ustav je zlo 

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Post by MNE on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:31 am

williame bilo je za creepyja nego sam zaboravio da quotujem odnosno pukao je quote pri postovanju
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Post by Anduril on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:23 am

Svaka akcija, a posebno ovakva, ce kad tad izazvati reakciju a ona se na kraju nece svideti republikancima i njihovim donorima. Ovaj sud ce sad poceti da stanca dalje big biznis i evangelikanski ceklist a da je svima jasno da je vec sada izgubio legitimitet.
Sledece ekonomska kriza nije daleko, ona ce pogoditi veliki broj ljudi za koje ovu bagru nije nista briga, a ti ljudi ce znati da nema vise sudskog nacina da se ogranici republikanska oligarhija u koaliciji sa zilotima.
Treba samo jedna kriza, veci sving glasaca i lider koji nece biti kao Obama nego vise kao Tedi/Franklin Ruzvelt i pocne za razbucanjem bagre.
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Post by Zuper on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:35 am

Kada krenu kao Ted pa ih razbuca pa budu jos bogatiji kasnije kao Rokefeler.


I do not see what good can come from dissolving the Standard Oil Company into 40 separate companies, all of which will still remain really under the same control.

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Post by KinderLad on Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:26 pm

Mada bi realno za sve bilo bolje da te krize ne bude, jelte...

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Post by MNE on Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:28 pm

Anduril wrote:Svaka akcija, a posebno ovakva, ce kad tad izazvati reakciju a ona se na kraju nece svideti republikancima i njihovim donorima. 
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Post by паће on Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:34 pm

MNE wrote:
Anduril wrote:Svaka akcija, a posebno ovakva, ce kad tad izazvati reakciju a ona se na kraju nece svideti republikancima i njihovim donorima. 
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Дародавцима или покровитељима... у овом случају ово друго.

А донори су ови што имају вишка органа. Нисам тај.


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"multiple websites" - c'mon, where would you find them? For starters, find ONE multiple website. Oh, you meant "more than one"? Well, that's called "many".

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Post by MNE on Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:35 pm

pokrovitelj zvuči kao sponzor seoskog turnira u malom fudbalu
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Post by паће on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:01 pm

MNE wrote:pokrovitelj zvuči kao sponzor seoskog turnira u malom fudbalu

Зато што је то стари превод, примењивао се свуда док га спонзори нису затукли. Нпр Генекс је био покровитељ такмичења за мис Југославије и томе слично. Завири у новине из шездесетих, кад се била захуктала самоуправна рекламократија.


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то ја бришем, некад милице некад не
"multiple websites" - c'mon, where would you find them? For starters, find ONE multiple website. Oh, you meant "more than one"? Well, that's called "many".
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Post by KinderLad on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:13 pm

Sredstvodavaoci






Ne ide mi danas...
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:44 pm

Potpuno je fantastično kako su senatski GOPeri spakovali priču da se mora rasuđivati na osnovu pretpostavke nevinosti, da ništa nije dokazano, itd, kao da je BK došao na suđenje pa da mu se, jadnom, ne ugroze građanska prava, a ne da je došao na razgovor o poslu, što je, je li, potpuno deseti nivo prosuđivanja i uslovljenosti.

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Post by Creepy Uncle on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:30 pm

MNE wrote:pa ne znam ko bi se ponašao drugačije u takvoj situaciji, jedino neki debelokožac poput Trampa

Neko ko je dostojan najviše sudske funkcije u zemlji, dakle neko ko u potpunosti vlada svojim temperamentom i ne puca pod pritiskom. Pravnički ekvivalent pilota spejs šatla. Ovo je valjda jasno samo po sebi pa ne vidim neki prostor za polemiku.


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:39 pm

et Gargantua

Pa da, ovo je bio pre svega bila procena karaktera, and he failed miserably - lagao je, cmizdrio je, histerisao je, ogolio je potpuno partijski opredeljenu poziciju, izbacivao je konspirološke teorije, itd.

Ma ne, pazi, argumenti su nebitni, republikanci se već godinama (i pre Trampa) ponašaju prosto kao razbojnička banda - to se videlo hiljadu puta do sada, i šatadauni i pičke strinine. Jedina taktika im je - mi smo bre nenormalni, sklanjajte nam se s puta! Tako u opoziciji, tako na vlasti. Znači pregaziće sve da učine što im srce žudi. Sad sa Trampom tek nema granica, siledžijski do kraja.


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Post by Gargantua on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:43 pm

Američka radikalna stranka
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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:44 pm

Creepy Uncle wrote:
MNE wrote:pa ne znam ko bi se ponašao drugačije u takvoj situaciji, jedino neki debelokožac poput Trampa

Neko ko je dostojan najviše sudske funkcije u zemlji, dakle neko ko u potpunosti vlada svojim temperamentom i ne puca pod pritiskom. Pravnički ekvivalent pilota spejs šatla. Ovo je valjda jasno samo po sebi pa ne vidim neki prostor za polemiku.


Pa jasno, ne merimo ga aršinima običnog Mileta koji se iznervirao jer mu neko rek'o da je ne znam šta. Brate, ne moraš da budeš sudija vrhoovnog suda, ne biju ko neće. Normalna je stvar da će neko da te nagazi, posebno kad su ulozi ovoliki koliki su danas i kad se potpuno menja većina u sudu.  Tvoje je to keep calm and carry on. Ako to ne možeš, nisi za taj posao, kraj. A ne - šta su mi grozne čike i tete rekle, kme! Nevaljala Hilari me napad zbog Trampa! Idi kod mame pa cmizdri i tužakaj se.

Mislim, nothing to see here, move along, Medison će sve da sredi, this is fine, everything is fine, kuče pije kafu, kuća gori, jednom rečju, Amerika pod republikancima


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:44 pm

Gargantua wrote:Američka radikalna stranka

Da.


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:13 pm

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Thread on Anticipating & Preventing Constitutional Crises:
1/ Here are some things that, assuming Trump remains in office, might happen in the next 4 years, & would be broadly consistent w/ events so far--& are troubling enough to think on in advance.
2/ (A) Trump in 2020 once again wins the Electoral College while losing the popular vote--maybe by even more than the ~3m of 2016, after massive mobilization in "blue" states. He is widely regarded as illegitimate, especially given efforts to suppress Dem votes in close states.
3/ Suspicion about the integrity of voting technology and evidence of foreign provocation intensify the feeling of illegitimacy. As Trump pushes an aggressive agenda, states like NY, CA, and MA begin openly claiming the power to nullify federal actions they regard as illegitimate
4/ The country begins to splinter into two regimes. As blue states defy the federal government, red-state legislatures and executives face (or lead) calls to defy federal court judgments limiting vote-suppression laws and other controversial actions. Nullification runs both ways.
5/ (B) A Democrat wins narrowly in 2020, but Trump refuses to recognize the results (consistent with his persistent claims of fraud, etc.), or leaves the White House but becomes a key figure in a "True the Vote" movement that treats the Democrat as illegitimate.
6/ Same general result: parts of the country becomes effective no-go zones for the administration. Tens of millions of people (& some jursidictions?) are more or less strongly committed to "nullification" of EPA rules, civil rights laws, federal law enforcement, etc., etc.
7/ (C) Under extreme legal and political pressure, Trump gives an order that leading military officers, already highly skeptical of his judgment, regard as posing a precipitate threat to peace. They refuse. He takes the conflict public on Twitter, and they do not stand down.
8/ After a nightmarish, week-long standoff, with increasingly strident rhetoric from the White House, they remove him from office with support from key segments of a divided class of elected officials, senior bureaucrats, and commentators, and a majority of a riven population.
9/ The other forms of nullification sketched in the earlier scenarios intensify, especially after Pence loses the next election to a Democrat.
10/ The third (C) is deliberately nightmarish, and I'd set the odds on it very low--but it's more conceivable now than ever. The first two (A) & (B) are well within the plausible band of events. The deliberately extremely part is the warring nullification agendas;
11/ but these follow plausibly if you just maintain the current momentum of political division.
12/ What would make these situations structurally less likely. (A) is easy-ish. The Electoral College is a disaster. Two catastrophic presidencies in 18 years have begun by losing the popular vote. This anachronism makes it easy, even natural, to doubt legitimacy.
13/ The state-legislation proposal at

National Popular Vote The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.  Explanation  It has been enacted int… https://www.nationalpopularvote.com
has been adopted by states totaling 172 electoral votes. Supporting it should be a priority for any progressive, centrist patriot, or normcore person concerned to cool division.
14/ As for (B), in the medium term progressives need to keep pushing hard for a robust national right to vote and a good old-fashioned voting system that's impossible to hack because it happens on stacks of paper. (Stacks of paper + universal smartphones = anti-fraud nirvana.)
15/ (That is, ballot-stuffing gets very hard when everything is open and filmed.)
16/ The strong voting right is indispensable. It should include the end of ex-felon disenfranchisement. I'd push extend it to the presently incarcerated and non-citizen residents, though I know this will be controversial.
17/ These interventions all have the same pattern. A key to the crisis is that political system generates these ambiguities about who is legitimate: electoral college vs. popular vote, public sentiment vs. who was allowed to vote, etc. Clear majoritarian rules are ...
18/ the best way to resolve such issues. They give every member of the community a core of voice (vote) and count each the same. It's not perfect, but all rigging (making it hard to vote, counting rural states for more) is worse. @JeremyJWaldron is splendid on this.
19/ It's a great virtue in a political system to be able to resolve deep conflicts, not by bringing people together in deeply felt harmony, but by establishing clear, principled, and decisive means for settling the conflicts in practice.
20/ Problems (A) & (B) both prey on fault lines in the US system on this front, and a clearer, more civic-egalitarian democracy is the consistent quality of the response I'm pushing.
21/ Crisis (C) is different--maybe it belongs in a different discussion. It highlights some combination of the following. (1) We've built systems of complexity & destructive potential such they aren't separable from massive authority by military & technical administrators.
22/ This is true of the global economy (see @adam_tooze's great new CRASHED) and the military, to give the easiest examples. (B) As @jamalgreene has pointed out, a democracy that would make Trump the nominee of one of two major parties would have been in deep crisis ...
23/ ... even if he'd lost. A feckless political order & massive technocratic/technological orders will predictably come into other crises of legitimacy. Democracy has to get deeper, stronger, and more informed, or get pushed back in crisis.
24/ No easy solutions there, but a rubric: Democracy or Disaster. That's how it seems to me, anyway.*
/fin *Tweet does not mean I agree with myself.


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Post by Летећи Полип on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:25 pm

Demokrate se ponadale skalpu koji im niko kršten ne bi prepustio, pa se sad ljute što su dobili pesnicu u zube.

Svako ko se iole razume u politiku(tm) zna da je Kavana linija sa koje GOP nisu smeli da odstupe. Kavana nije neki marginalac iz Trampovog šinjela, već čistokrvni establišmentski republikanac. Ako bi on pao, sutra bi svakom od njih neki liberalni magazinčić mogao da nađe da je u osmom razredu vatao devojčice za sisu, ili da je na slavi pevao četničke pesme. Ovako je povučena linija, i to bi bilo to.


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:31 pm

Летећи Полип wrote:Ovako je povučena linija, i to bi bilo to.

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Post by Creepy Uncle on Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:33 pm

Problem je u tome što se uopšte došlo do situacije u kojoj je izbor ove plačipičke postao linija u pesku za GOP, i što se povlače takve linije u pesku oko izbora sudija najvišeg sudskog tela u zemlji. Meni je potpuno jasno, doduše, da zastupnici aktuelne konzervativne revolucije na umu imaju samo jedno - kako sterati libtardima, a sa time ne umem da polemišem, što mi ugrožava i neke višedecenijske lične odnose i to ne sa moje strane - a čak ni ne živim u Americi.


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