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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:39 pm

    Pa jedino to.


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    Post by паће Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:44 pm

    Gargantua wrote:
    William Murderface wrote:Po mom mišljenju jedino što nije tačno je ovo:



    Ne mislim da Vučića u rešavanje Kosova gura šargrepa, nego uprvo štap, odnosno mogućnost da mu EU, ili bar njene najjače članice ukrate podršku i umesto toga podrže opoziciju.

    Možda ali pitanje je zarad čega bi je podržala i, izvedeno iz toga, kakvu opoziciju.

    Osećaj je da ne postoji poseban interes od strane EU da se gura da se stvari ovde menjaju, bar na kratki i srednji rok. Oni bi voleli da je drugačije ("bolje") ali između načelnih želja i aktivnosti da se nešto ostvaruje je poveći jaz. Drugo, ako ih zanima "geopolitika" i tema "ko će i kako iz Srbije da prizna Kosovo" više od teme "idealtipski kandidat za ulazak u EU" onda se prema tome opredeljuju da li i koga podržati, a to nije isto.

    Па то, већ су показали бескрајну курцобољу за све остало, остаје једино то ко ће да буде потрошен за признавање Косова. АВ би да то буде он, ал' што касније, а ако крене гласина да већ постоји влада у сенци која би то прогурала па се разишла по Сејшелима... Јер све остало није битно што се ЕУ тиче.


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    Post by No Country Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:47 pm

    Улазак у ЕУ је требало да означи/ потврди да су 90-те коначно завршене. Да се Србија вратила са странпутице, да нам се више никада неће поновити Слоба-Шешељ-меморандум-Вуковар-Сарајево-Сребреница-бомбардовање-хладњаче. Признавање Косова је, т.ј. требало би да буде, отприлике иста ствар. Тако да та два јесу у вези, вредносној, а не само зато што нас уцењују Косовом.

    Сад, има и ова друга страна: оћу у Немачку, где треба да потпишем? Или: дај да се то смарање више заврши! Или: е баш нећу, цркните душмани! Или Косово као сарма, што га више подгреваш оно те све боље учвршћује на власти. Све су то различити модалитети статуса кво, а међусобно у савршеној и трајној хармонији. 

    Што рече Квинси на суседној теми: како ли само трпе!?
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    Post by kondo Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:59 pm

    No Country wrote:Косово као сарма, што га више подгреваш оно те све боље учвршћује на власти. 


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    I ćorava koka....


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:41 pm


    Stalni izvjestilac Evropskog parlamenta za Bosnu i Hercegovinu i odlazeći zastupnik Cristian Dan Preda pitao je Mogherini da li je urađeno dovoljno?
    "Zapadni Balkan je veoma važan za Evropsku uniju. Napravljen je određeni napredak u posljednjih pet godina, ali u nekim područjima nije. Interesuje me da li mislite da je EU napravila dovoljno? A u svjetlu toga me interesuje uticaj zemalja poput Turske, Rusije i zemalja Zaljeva", pitao je Dan Preda.





    Njemački eurozastupnik Elmar Brok, veteran sa više od tri decenije iskustva u Briselu, upozorio je Mogherini, ali i njenog nasljednika, na uticaj Kine na prostor Zapadnog Balkana.
    "Da li stvarno razumijemo da je kineska inicijativa "Jedan pojas, jedan put" samo dijelom ekonomska, a drugim dijelom sigurnosno-diplomatski uticaj. To je velikim dijelom imperijalizam koji svi moramo dobro razumjeti", poručio je Brok.


    Banecare na tamou piše i slika odlične reportaže na kineskom prehrambenom topickću. Posjeta Xinjangu je zanimljiva. Kako se dublje ulazi sve je zajebanija policija, nakon par kontrola i provjera njemu nisu dali dalje.
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:36 pm

    Cuj, imperijalizam. Sada odjednom smeta kapital.
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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:25 am

    Socijalisti solidno dobili u Spaniji, mada je VOX na iznad 10%.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:42 pm

    To je prirodno, polarizacija, odgovor na jacanje levice itd. Samo da se ovaj put sete da ih prvo pokolju, pa da onda idu dalje.
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    Post by Guest Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:02 pm

    Viktor Orbán “has always been a hero,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Sunday, stating that he holds the Hungarian prime minister in the “highest regard.”

    In an interview with Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita, Juncker described his respect for the Hungarian leader, whom he previously famously once greeted with the words “Hello, dictator.”

    “I have known him since the latter half of the '90s, when he first became prime minister. Previously, I admired him for the courage he showed when the Soviet army was still stationed in Hungary,” Juncker said.

    For me, he has always been a hero. I also have a good personal relationship with him. And I am sure he would say the same of me,” Juncker said. He added: “For years I called Orbán, privately, a dictator and he would laugh about it.”
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    Post by паће Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 pm

    Док је совјетска војска још била у Мађарској, то је била гомила пијаних магационера који су будзашто распродавали све што би дохватили. Нико није хтео с њима ни да поприча, тад је одједном била срамота знати руски. Осим неколицине који су се обогатили тргујући с њима (знао сам једног).


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    Post by Zuper Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:10 pm

    I onda neko kaze Rusi losi a mogao si dobro zaraditi bez ikakve opanosti.
    Samo sto su mittleuropjeci suvise rasisticki nastrojeni da bi to vise iskoristili.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:39 pm

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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:26 pm

    Gargantua wrote:
    Viktor Orbán “has always been a hero,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Sunday, stating that he holds the Hungarian prime minister in the “highest regard.”

    In an interview with Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita, Juncker described his respect for the Hungarian leader, whom he previously famously once greeted with the words “Hello, dictator.”

    “I have known him since the latter half of the '90s, when he first became prime minister. Previously, I admired him for the courage he showed when the Soviet army was still stationed in Hungary,” Juncker said.

    For me, he has always been a hero. I also have a good personal relationship with him. And I am sure he would say the same of me,” Juncker said. He added: “For years I called Orbán, privately, a dictator and he would laugh about it.”

    Lepo, lepo...


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    Post by Erős Pista Wed May 01, 2019 4:46 pm

    Glavna stranka desnog centra iz Evropskog parlamenta mora uspostaviti savez sa populističkim nacionalističkim grupama nakon nadolazećih izbora i isključiti stranke ljevice, rekao je mađarski premijer Viktor Orban.
    Orbanova vladajuća stranka Fides je suspendovana iz vladajuće Evropske narodne stranke (EPP) u martu zbog nepoštivanja vladavine prava, slobode medija i prava manjina.
    Orban je odbacio kršenje principa Evropske unije i rekao je da želi da ostane dijelom EPP-a. No u intervjuu koji su novine La Stampa objavile u srijedu, Orban je rekao da grupa mora odbaciti svoju odbojnost prema desnici.
    "EPP se priprema da počini samoubistvo i želi se vezati za ljevicu", rekao je Orban.
    "Moramo naći drugi put za kooperaciju sa evropskim desnim krilom", dodao je.
    Na izborima za Evropski parlament koji se održavaju u maju očekuje se da će Evropska narodna stranka osvojiti naveći broj mjesta ali da neće imati većinu što znači da će morati formirati partnerstvo sa drugim grupama kako bi kontrolisali Parlament i oblikovali EU u narednih pet godina.
    https://www.slobodnaevropa.org/a/29914603.html


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    Post by Zuper Thu May 02, 2019 5:24 pm

    Pijani odradjuje posao za Brisel,

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    Post by Erős Pista Thu May 02, 2019 6:17 pm

    Joj, kad EPP sad zaokrene u desno, pa kad Zuperiška krene da botuje za Brisel k'o za SZS EU  - what's next? - Page 26 1143415371


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    Post by Zuper Thu May 02, 2019 6:31 pm

    Mislis da se ujedine sa ENF?
    Pre mislim da ce to liberali iz ALDE. Slusaj Makarona...
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    Post by Guest Thu May 09, 2019 11:58 pm

    Epsko praznoslovlje:


    The Sibiu Declaration

    https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/05/09/the-sibiu-declaration/
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri May 10, 2019 12:12 am

    "Ajmo na rucak"
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri May 10, 2019 12:33 am

    Lade se prasitji


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    Post by boomer crook Fri May 10, 2019 12:36 am



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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Guest Tue May 14, 2019 5:39 pm

    https://www.socialeurope.eu/where-are-the-limits-of-europe

    Where are the limits of Europe?
    by Branko Milanovic on 14th May 2019
    ...

    Almost nobody looked at inequality as a limiting factor in the growth of a union. Yet there at least three reasons why it may be.

    First, a union with member states at very different income levels requires large transfers form the richer to the poorer to function normally.

    Secondly, a very unequal union is, by definition, composed of member states whose endowments of capital and labour are very different. Hence the optimal economic policy for a poor member may not be the same as the optimal policy for a rich member. (We find here echoes of the optimal currency area.)

    Thirdly, and currently perhaps most importantly, if such a union implies freedom of movement systematic labour flows which then follow—with people moving from poorer to richer members—may be politically destabilising, if richer members are unwilling to accept migrants.

    ...

    We can then legitimately ask: are there limits to EU enlargement—limits imposed by the higher inequality arising from the accession of new and poorer members? If Turkey alone joined, the underlying Gini of a new union would be 17 points. If the western Balkans’ four candidate members joined as well, it would rise further to 17.5. This underlying inequality, which is not subject to domestic or EU-wide economic policies (the latter because the EU budget is so small), would then represent close to half of the overall inequality among 615 million citizens of the union.

    It would be an unmanageable union.

    This is why the EU should not continue with its unsustainable policy, which seems to offer candidate countries potential membership at the end a very long (or, rather, interminable) tunnel. That policy leads only to frustration on both sides. The EU should look at things as they are and create a new category of countries which will not be members for any realistic period of time.

    Perhaps it could wait until such potential members become richer on their own, which means the EU should by all means encourage greater Chinese investment and involvement in those countries—the opposite of what it is doing now. Or perhaps it could wait until convergence of incomes within EU members and lower all-EU inequality permits another round of enlargement—which is unlikely to happen before the second half of this century.

    evo roknuću se od ekonomizacije politike
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue May 14, 2019 8:34 pm

    Bitno je da je prvo ugurao Tursku u sve to pa onda pravio racunicu
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    Post by boomer crook Tue May 14, 2019 8:47 pm

    Gargantua wrote:
    https://www.socialeurope.eu/where-are-the-limits-of-europe

    Where are the limits of Europe?
    by Branko Milanovic on 14th May 2019
    ...

    Almost nobody looked at inequality as a limiting factor in the growth of a union. Yet there at least three reasons why it may be.

    First, a union with member states at very different income levels requires large transfers form the richer to the poorer to function normally.

    Secondly, a very unequal union is, by definition, composed of member states whose endowments of capital and labour are very different. Hence the optimal economic policy for a poor member may not be the same as the optimal policy for a rich member. (We find here echoes of the optimal currency area.)

    Thirdly, and currently perhaps most importantly, if such a union implies freedom of movement systematic labour flows which then follow—with people moving from poorer to richer members—may be politically destabilising, if richer members are unwilling to accept migrants.

    ...

    We can then legitimately ask: are there limits to EU enlargement—limits imposed by the higher inequality arising from the accession of new and poorer members? If Turkey alone joined, the underlying Gini of a new union would be 17 points. If the western Balkans’ four candidate members joined as well, it would rise further to 17.5. This underlying inequality, which is not subject to domestic or EU-wide economic policies (the latter because the EU budget is so small), would then represent close to half of the overall inequality among 615 million citizens of the union.

    It would be an unmanageable union.

    This is why the EU should not continue with its unsustainable policy, which seems to offer candidate countries potential membership at the end a very long (or, rather, interminable) tunnel. That policy leads only to frustration on both sides. The EU should look at things as they are and create a new category of countries which will not be members for any realistic period of time.

    Perhaps it could wait until such potential members become richer on their own, which means the EU should by all means encourage greater Chinese investment and involvement in those countries—the opposite of what it is doing now. Or perhaps it could wait until convergence of incomes within EU members and lower all-EU inequality permits another round of enlargement—which is unlikely to happen before the second half of this century.

    evo roknuću se od ekonomizacije politike

    on neki put ko onaj profesor koji zna put do sokratove kuce u atini koje vise nema nego do svoje.


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    Post by No Country Tue May 14, 2019 9:07 pm

    Европа се некако истовремено, мада на потпуно различите начине, удаљила и од Србије и од саме себе. Бродови у магли.


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