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    Јанош Винету

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    Post by Јанош Винету Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:28 am

    паће wrote:
    Јанош Винету wrote:
    Тржиште радне снаге није тако либерализовано али и ту има великог помака.

    Помака... али и даље постоје границе и пасоши и визе и радне дозволе. Лакше је преместити фирму или пребацити паре, него се запослити у неком тамоу. Ту постојање националних држава управо служи да сузбије кретање радне снаге.

    То је мислим више питање националних држава а мање капитала. 

    Капитал би волео сезонску радну снагу, и раднике који могу да путују по целом свету а да плаћају порез и намете тамо где је јефтиније. 

    Такође је капитал нашао начина да доака затвореном тржишту радне снаге тиме што ће отворити ћерке фирме у другим националним државама и јурисдикцијама - кад неће брег Мухамеду, онда Мухамед брегу. Ако не може радник из Индије да се пресели у САД, онда се цела фирма пресели тамо где је радник - у Бангалор.


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    Post by паће Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:44 am

    Јанош Винету wrote:
    Такође је капитал нашао начина да доака затвореном тржишту радне снаге тиме што ће отворити ћерке фирме у другим националним државама и јурисдикцијама - кад неће брег Мухамеду, онда Мухамед брегу. Ако не може радник из Индије да се пресели у САД, онда се цела фирма пресели тамо где је радник - у Бангалор.

    И лакше је тако, и не види се у медијима. Замисли довучеш раднике негде у богатији крај и онда их разјуриш кад се више не исплати - одједном имаш стотине људи на улицама на месту које има бар две локалне теве станице и пет хиљада људи који умеју да сниме видео и окаче га.

    Овако само спакујеш фабрику из једне припиздине и пресадиш у другу. И то пази, не да мислим на селидбу из Вијетнама у Бангладеш, него из Јужне Каролине у Вермонт. Јер су им локалне власти изградиле приступне путеве и осталу инфраструктуру и још их ослободиле пореза на пет или десет година. Како су те године истекле, магла.


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    Post by Solus_Rex Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:15 pm



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    A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža."  - Monsier K.
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    Post by Del Cap Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:55 pm

    B. Milanović, može na par mesta al neka ovde

    globalinequality: Hopelessness? (glineq.blogspot.com)

    Hopelessness?

    That today’s world situation is the worst since the end of the Second World War is not an excessive, nor original, statement. As we teeter on the brink of a nuclear war, it does not require too  many words to convince people that this is so.

    The question is: how did we get here? And is there a way out?

    To understand how we got here, we need to go to the end of the Cold War. That war, like the World War I, ended with the two sides understanding the end differently: the West understood the end of the Cold War as its comprehensive victory over Russia; Russia understood it as the end of the ideological competition between capitalism and communism: Russia jettisoned communism, and hence it was to be just another power alongside other capitalist powers.

    The origin of today’s conflict lies in that misunderstanding. Many books have already been written about it, and more will be. But this is not all. The Euro-American world took a bad turn in the 1990s because both the (former) West and the (former) East took a bad turn. The West rejected social-democracy with its conciliatory attitude domestically and willingness to envisage a world without adversarial military blocs internationally for neoliberalism at home and militant expansion abroad. The (former) East embraced privatization and deregulation in economics, and an exclusivist nationalism in the national ideologies underlying the newly-independent states.

    These extreme ideologies, East and West, were the very opposite of what people of goodwill hoped for. The world they wished for, after Western colonial and quasi-colonial wars and Soviet invasions ended, was the world of convergence of the two systems, with mild social-democracy in both, dissolution of war-mongering alliances, and end of militarism. They got nothing of the sort: one system swallowed the other; social democracy died or was corrupted or co-opted by the rich, and militarism through adventuresome foreign invasions and NATO expansion became the new norm. In the former Third World, the victory of the West led to the reinterpretation of the struggle against colonialism. It was now shorn of all of its domestically progressive elements. This facilitated massive corruption in the newly liberated countries.

    The “trivialists”, the intellectuals who misunderstood, either because of their lack of perspicacity or pure interest, the nature of the changes in Eastern Europe, proclaimed the revolutions of 1989 to have been the revolutions of liberalism, multiculturalism, and democracy. They failed to notice that if they were the revolutions of multiculturalism and tolerance, there was hardly any need to break multinational states. Nay, that such a break-up was antithetical to the idea of multiculturalism. Nationalism was thus conflated with democracy.

    The trivialists succeeded in turning the progressiveness of the post-War on its head. Instead of development and progress meaning a combination of the best elements of market (capitalist) economy and socialism, elimination of power-politics in world affairs, and the adherence to the rules of the United Nations, progressiveness in their new reading of history meant unbridled market economics at home, “liberal international order” of unequal power abroad, and pensée unique in ideology.

    Instead of a social-democratic capitalism with peace, to be progressive began to mean neo-liberalism with the permission to wage war on anyone who disagreed with it. Instead of mild and innocuous mixture of socialism and capitalism at home and equal power of all states internationally, we got served the power of the rich at home, and the power of big countries internationally. It was a weird return to the quasi-colonial hegemony, taking place—incongruously, at first—at the time of “liberal victory”.

    The rest, from today’s perspective, seems almost preordained. The virulent nationalism of Eastern Europe that fueled the revolutions of 1989 finally engulfed the most powerful country in that part of the world: Russia. Xenophobic nationalism is the same everywhere: in Estonia, Serbia, Ukraine, Russia or Azerbaijan. But the greater the country, the more destabilizing and imperialistic it is. What began as the nationalist revolutions in Eastern Europe ends now as the revolution of unchained nationalism in Russia: the same ideological movement but with the regain of “lost” territories as its objective rather than their “liberation”.

    The rule of the rich locally and of the powerful internationally seems so ideologically entrenched today that no hope of betterment, no hope of national nor economic equality seems on the horizon. A lot of responsibility for this disastrous state of affairs lies on the “trivialists”, the intellectual elite who defined, promoted, and defended this pernicious ideology of inequality. The hopelessness envelops not only the present where we stand on the precipice of the extinction of a part of humankind, but the future too. Progressive thought has been vitiated, remodeled, and extirpated. The medieval darkness, under the name of “liberty”, is descending.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:51 pm

    Prpa, Branko.


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    Post by Del Cap Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:08 am

    Прпа је Бранка.......
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:11 am

    Bezidejnost je ono sto lomi dusu. Nekada je svaka susa imala svoj manifest, dok danas ni u teoriji nema nacelnog resenja. Svi bi satro da se vrate u pedesete, a u stvari u devedesete. Kao i heroinista sto zeli da vrati vreme unazad, ne da se uopste ne bi drogirao, nego da bi mogao da se drogira ispocetka. Za desnicu je jasno da su pogubljeni, ali i ljudi na levici se zavaravaju ako misle da ce puko oporezovanje i redistribucija da im resi probleme. Svetu je potreban razvojni program. U suprotnom, jedino sto preostaje je pljacka. Pa ko sta dovati, i medju pojedincima, i medju nacijama.


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    Post by паће Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:18 am

    Реч редистрибуција, ака прерасподела, је још један либералистички трик. Треба да вуче на ревизионизам, који је муљачина над природним визионизмом. Не постоји природно стање расподеле, све је то ствар друштвеног договора, најчешће наметнутог.


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    Post by Indy Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:12 am

    Dobar je Branko, kao i uvek, samo (kao i uvek) to je samo pola priče... Za drugu polovinu (ekološki slom planete) odlučio je da bude malko nagluv, mada moram da kažem da me je impresionirao spremnošću da makar sasluša kritiku (drugi likovi sličnog formata me instantno blokiraju na Twitteru kad im postavim neko nezgodno pitanje.)
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:13 am

    Ne znam, ja kad pročitam “trebalo je bolje pre 30 godina”, pomislim “eh da mi vremeplov nije na servisu ove nedelje, začas bih ja to opravio”. Ovaj je krenuo da razradjuje tu misao kako je u stvari trebalo, pa je to još gore ispalo nego što obično biva.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Indy Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:22 am

    Piše lepo u naslovu (doduše, sa znakom pitanja).
    EDIT. Mislim, legitimno je ponekad osećati se beznadežno. Štaviše...
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    Post by паће Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:35 am

    Мада, нада је и оно, из неког аустралијског постапокалиптичног филма, „свако вече сам легао са надом да ћу ујутро бити жив кад устанем“.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:36 am

    Da volem beznadežnost gledo bi francuske filmove.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:41 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Ne znam, ja kad pročitam “trebalo je bolje pre 30 godina”, pomislim “eh da mi vremeplov nije na servisu ove nedelje, začas bih ja to opravio”. Ovaj je krenuo da razradjuje tu misao kako je u stvari trebalo, pa je to još gore ispalo nego što obično biva.

    U sustini isti tekst koji citamo jos od 2016. Samo sto je sada vec krenulo da naginje ka grimdarku. Okej, shvatili smo, Regan i Tacerova uprskali stvar. Tu smo, gde smo - sta sada da radimo?


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    Post by Indy Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:54 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Da volem beznadežnost gledo bi francuske filmove.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:06 pm

    The Strange Death of the Liberal Individual
    Apr 24, 2023
    YANIS VAROUFAKIS

    Only a comprehensive reconfiguration of property rights over the increasingly cloud-brd instruments of production, distribution, collaboration, and communication can rescue the foundational liberal idea of liberty as self-ownership. Reviving the liberal individual thus requires precisely what liberals detest: a revolution.


    ATHENS – My father was the epitome of the liberal individual, a splendid irony for a lifelong Marxist. To make a living, he had to lease his labor to the boss of a steel plant in Eleusis. But during every lunch break he wandered blissfully in the open-air backyard of the Archaeological Museum of Eleusis, where he luxuriated in the discovery of ancient steles full of clues that antiquity’s technologists were more advanced than previously thought.

    Following his return home, at just after 5 p.m. every day, and a late siesta, he would emerge ready to share in our family life and to write up his findings in academic articles and books. His life at the factory was, in short, neatly separated from his personal life.

    It reflected a time when even leftists like us thought that, if nothing else, capitalism had granted us sovereignty over ourselves, albeit within limits. However hard one worked for the boss, one could at least fence off a portion of one’s life and, within that fence, remain autonomous, self-determining, free. We knew that only the rich were truly free to choose, that the poor were mostly free to lose, and that the worst slavery was that of anyone who had learned to love their chains. Still, we appreciated the limited self-ownership we had.

    Young people today have been denied even this small mercy. From the moment they take their first steps, they are taught implicitly to see themselves as a brand, yet one that will be judged according to its perceived authenticity. (And that includes potential employers: “No one will offer me a job,” a graduate told me once “until I have discovered my true self.”) Marketing an identity in today’s online society is not optional. Curating their personal lives has become some of the most important work young people do.


    Before posting any image, uploading any video, reviewing any movie, sharing any photograph or tweet, they must be mindful of whom their choice will please or alienate. They must somehow work out which of their potential “true selves” will be found most attractive, continually testing their opinions against their notion of what the average opinion among online opinion-makers might be. Because every experience can be captured and shared, they are continually consumed by the question of whether to do so. And even if no opportunity actually exists for sharing the experience, that opportunity can readily be imagined, and will be. Every choice, witnessed or otherwise, becomes an act in the careful construction of an identity.

    One need not be a leftist to see that the right to a bit of time each day when one is not for sale has all but vanished. The irony is that the liberal individual was snuffed out neither by fascist brownshirts nor by Stalinist commissars. It was killed off when a new form of capital began to instruct youngsters to do that most liberal of things: be yourself. Of all the behavioral modifications that what I call cloud capital has engineered and monetized, this one is surely its overarching and crowning achievement.

    Possessive individualism was always detrimental to mental health. The techno-feudal society that cloud capital is fashioning made things infinitely worse when it demolished the fence that provided the liberal individual with a refuge from the labor market. Cloud capital has shattered the individual into fragments of data, an identity comprising choices expressed by clicks, which its algorithms are able to manipulate in ways no human mind can grasp. It has produced individuals who are not so much possessive as possessed, or rather persons incapable of self-possession. It has diminished our capacity to focus by co-opting our attention.

    We have not become weak-willed. No, our focus has been hijacked by a new ruling class. And because the algorithms embedded in cloud capital are known to reinforce patriarchy, invidious stereotypes, and pre-existing oppression, the most vulnerable – girls, the mentally ill, the marginalized, and the poor – suffer the most.

    If fascism taught us anything, it is our susceptibility to demonizing stereotypes and the ugly attraction (and potency) of emotions like righteousness, fear, envy, and loathing that they arouse in us. In our contemporary social reality, the cloud brings us face to face with the feared and loathed “other.” And because online violence seems bloodless and anodyne, we are more likely to respond to this “other” with taunting, demeaning language and bile. Bigotry is techno-feudalism’s emotional compensation for the frustrations and anxieties we experience in relation to identity and focus.

    Comment moderators and hate-speech regulation can’t stop this brutalization because it is intrinsic to cloud capital, whose algorithms optimize for the cloud rents that flow more copiously toward Big Tech’s owners from hatred and discontent. Regulators cannot regulate artificial-intelligence-driven algorithms that even their authors cannot understand. For liberty to have a chance, cloud capital needs to be socialized.

    My father believed that finding something timelessly beautiful to focus on, as he did while wondering among the relics of Greek antiquity, is our only defense from the demons circling our soul. I have tried to practice this over the years in my own way. But in the face of techno-feudalism, acting alone, isolated, as liberal individuals will not get us very far. Cutting ourselves off from the internet, switching off our phones, and using cash instead of plastic is no solution. Unless we band together, we will never civilize or socialize cloud capital – and never reclaim our own minds from its grip.

    And herein lies the greatest contradiction: Only a comprehensive reconfiguration of property rights over the increasingly cloud-brd instruments of production, distribution, collaboration, and communication can rescue the foundational liberal idea of liberty as self-ownership will require. Reviving the liberal individual thus requires precisely what liberals detest: a new revolution.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:46 pm

    Ne razumem šta konkretno traži. Na stranu što čovek, uvek i svugde kada hoće nešto da uradi ili kaže, mora da vodi računa o toma kakav će utisak ostaviti na druge. To čak nije vezano ni za kapitalizam kao takav.


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:26 am

    https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/what-happened-to-liberalism/

    What Happened to Liberalism?
    Becca Rothfeld speaks with Samuel Moyn about his book Liberalism Against Itself and why liberalism is in crisis.

    Samuel Moyn, Becca Rothfeld
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:06 pm

    https://pescanik.net/trajna-kriza-liberalizma/


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