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by Ointagru Unartan Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:37 amKinder Lad wrote:Sve vise dolazim do zakljucka da je iza Trumpa stajao deo, ako ne i dobar deo, vojnog establismenta.
Ne znam, Hilari je imala odlicne odnose sa vojnim establismentom, mnogo bolje nego Obama.
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Ne znam, Hilari je imala odlicne odnose sa vojnim establismentom, mnogo bolje nego Obama.
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mislim bez rata s rusijom. jednostavno, generali zele, paradoksalno, manje intervencionizma i da se zatvore sukobi koji su otvoreni.
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Radagast wrote:Kinder Lad wrote:Sve vise dolazim do zakljucka da je iza Trumpa stajao deo, ako ne i dobar deo, vojnog establismenta.
Ne znam, Hilari je imala odlicne odnose sa vojnim establismentom, mnogo bolje nego Obama.
Pa deo, ne mislim sav. Mislim, ko zna koliko tu ima interesnih grupa, nikad se nisam previse unosio. Ali i u timu (izbornom) znam da je imao dosta penzionisanih generala i tako to.
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ostap bender wrote:mislim bez rata s rusijom. jednostavno, generali zele, paradoksalno, manje intervencionizma i da se zatvore sukobi koji su otvoreni.
to je i moja intuicija. no, postoji problem. u slučaju sukoba koji otpočne neko drugi a u kome su ugroženi interesi SAD, generali će razmišljati vojnički i davati preporuke u skladu sa time.
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Photino Bird wrote:ostap bender wrote:mislim bez rata s rusijom. jednostavno, generali zele, paradoksalno, manje intervencionizma i da se zatvore sukobi koji su otvoreni.
to je i moja intuicija. no, postoji problem. u slučaju sukoba koji otpočne neko drugi a u kome su ugroženi interesi SAD, generali će razmišljati vojnički i davati preporuke u skladu sa time.
ne mora da znaci da ako je neko protiv samoubilackog rata da je protiv rata uopste.
mislim ovo je sve nagadjanje, naravno, ali nekako mi se uklapaju kockice
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Ma obećao je i ogromne pare za vojsku, jasna računica.
Bolje da obnovimo vojne resurse, in terms of nuclear, nego da zidamo onolike školetine i bolničetine.
Children weep and widows wail,
Our education systems fail,
To hide our guilt we build more jails,
and we shall build still more
Our forests die, the stranglehold
That we put on the earth for gold
Will yet increase ten thousand fold
And no one knows what for
March and die, March and die
Defecate, despoil and lie
Cheat, dissemble, preach & spy
Build your house of straw
Bolje da obnovimo vojne resurse, in terms of nuclear, nego da zidamo onolike školetine i bolničetine.
Children weep and widows wail,
Our education systems fail,
To hide our guilt we build more jails,
and we shall build still more
Our forests die, the stranglehold
That we put on the earth for gold
Will yet increase ten thousand fold
And no one knows what for
March and die, March and die
Defecate, despoil and lie
Cheat, dissemble, preach & spy
Build your house of straw
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ostap bender wrote:mislim bez rata s rusijom. jednostavno, generali zele, paradoksalno, manje intervencionizma i da se zatvore sukobi koji su otvoreni.
bio bih precizniji jer mislim da je bitno - oni ne žele da vode ratove za koje misle da nisu (vojnički) spremni. za ovo što se dešava na b.i. nisu bili spremni pre 15 godina ali su se i oni adaptirali. ako vojska bude procenila da je spremna za neki sukob koji politika od nje traži (a da nije potpuno sumanut tipa m.a.d) ona neće stajati kao prepreka ratu.
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Nije tu reč samo o Rusiji. Tu je i opkoljavanje Kine koje je dobitnik Nobela za mir sistematski izveo u proteklih 5-6 godina, a o čemu se vrlo malo priča u svetskim okvirima. Svi tupe samo kako Kina izvodi nešto strašno u Južnom Kineskom Moru i to je sve. Aktivnosti američkih trupa se prećutkuju. Možda đenerali smatraju da ne mogu pobediti na dva fronta, uče se na svojim uzorima, Hitleru i Vilhelmu II.
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Онда, уводимо израз "Трампова хунта"?
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Ima milion teorija, u stvari mislim da svako ima neku teoriju... ne bih tome pridavao neki značaj, uskoro ćemo imati empirijsko iskustvo(tm) Trampa. Pa ćemo već videti.
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+1паће wrote:Онда, уводимо израз "Трампова хунта"?
Он некако природно гравитира том латиноамеричком моделу. Њему је све декор, од дугоногих источноевропљанки до генерала.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/what_the_hell_is_wrong_with_america_s_establishment_liberals.htmlWhat the Russia obsession represents is a massive ethical failure on the part of American liberals. People really will suffer under President Trump—women, queer people, Muslims, poor people of every stripe. But so many in the centrist establishment don’t seem to care. They’re far too busy weaving themselves into intricate geopolitical power plays that don’t really exist, searching for a narrative that exonerates them from having let this happen, to do anything like real political work. They won’t accept that Trumpism is America, in all its blood-splattered horror—that the dry civics lesson of a democracy they love so much is capable of creating a monster. Decades of neoliberal policy disenfranchised people to the extent that Donald Trump could look like a savior; far better to just hide your bad conscience somewhere far away in Eastern Europe. It wasn’t us, it wasn’t our country, we were all duped by Putin. And if this means falling into reactionary paranoia, screaming red-faced about traitors and spies, slobbering embarrassingly over the incoherent rants of any two-bit con artist whose name isn’t Donald Trump—so be it. None of this will help anyone or achieve anything, but that’s not the point. And then, at the end, with nothing solved, they shrug at us like Eric Garland’s imagined game-theory version of Hillary Clinton. Jesus, what can you do?
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Tramp je, da te podsetim, izabran ne zahvaljujući "tiraniji većine" nego upravo zahvaljujući antidemokratskom mehanizmu koji su mudri Očevi osnivači ugradili u svoj projekat ne bi li osujetili demokartiju - elektorskom koledžu. To treba stalno iznova ponavjati - ubedljiva većina je glasala protiv Trampa, na vlast ga je doveo antidemokratski relikt zasnovan na pretpostavci da elite znaju bolje i da je demokratija opasna.
Па и Берни је изгуран антидемократски - тзв. суперделегатима и контролом медија.
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Jasno, sve antivećinske mere koje treba da spreče tiraniju većine, osiguravajući, mnogo uobičajeniju, tiraniju elite.
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Indy wrote:Obzirom da je (po meni) glavna meta ove "PropOrNot" operacije u stvari Rusija i Putin, sklon sam da verujem da ima nekakve veze sa Ukrajinom. (EDIT. Naravno, to je skroz bez dokaza... )...
Hm, hm...
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Sorry, North Carolina, But You Don’t Really Qualify as a Democracy Anymore
By Daniel Politi
A group of experts that rates the integrity of elections around the world say North Carolina can’t really be considered a democracy anymore. The state where the outgoing governor signed a law stripping his successor of certain powers scored 58/100 in the 2016 election, according to the Electoral Integrity Project, a joint effort between Harvard University and the University of Sydney. That places the state alongside the likes of Cuba, Indonesia and Sierra Leone.
“If it were a nation state, North Carolina would rank right in the middle of the global league table—a deeply flawed, partly-free, democracy that is only slightly ahead of the failed democracies that constitute much of the developing world,” writes Andrew Reynolds, an associate professor at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who is also an EIP adviser.
Reynolds was one of the experts responsible for creating the model to evaluate the quality of elections around the world, which involves measuring “50 moving parts of an election process.” And in an op-ed piece for the News & Observer, Reynolds notes he would have never imagined that his state would rank so poorly. But what happens on Election Day is really just the tip of the iceberg. Reynolds explains:
That North Carolina can no longer call its elections democratic is shocking enough, but our democratic decline goes beyond what happens at election time. The most respected measures of democracy – Freedom House, POLITY and the Varieties of Democracy project all assess the degree to which the exercise of power depends on the will of the people: That is, governance is not arbitrary, it follows established rules and is based on popular legitimacy.
Reynolds focused on North Carolina, but looking at EIP’s data it is clear the state is hardly the worst in the United States. Arizona, for example, scored 53/100 while Wisconsin received a 54/100.
That’s the overall ranking though. In a few aspects North Carolina’s elections aren’t just the worst in the United States, but the worst in the world:
North Carolina does so poorly on the measures of legal framework and voter registration, that on those indicators we rank alongside Iran and Venezuela. When it comes to the integrity of the voting district boundaries no country has ever received as low a score as the 7/100 North Carolina received. North Carolina is not only the worst state in the USA for unfair districting but the worst entity in the world ever analyzed by the Electoral Integrity Project.
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Interesantan osvrt na tehnokrate, na celu sa Klintonkom (a ovde bi dodao i gotovo sve EU lidere od Merkel preko Holanda ili Junkera), i kako nisu u stanju da artikulisu i time brane demokratske vrednosti u stilu jakih demokratskih lidera.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/23/democracy-is-dying-as-technocrats-watch/
No, za tako nesto su vec potrebni autenticni lideri sa vise zivotnog iskustva od profesionalnog politicara.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/23/democracy-is-dying-as-technocrats-watch/
No, za tako nesto su vec potrebni autenticni lideri sa vise zivotnog iskustva od profesionalnog politicara.
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