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by Erős Pista Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:00 pm
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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."
Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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Dobro je sto su sad postali svesni da Bajden necemoci da bude kandidat, ali ono sto nije dobro jeste sto je Bob u pravu i sto je ovo u velikoj meri vec unapred smisljen scenario iza kojeg stoji ko drugi nego Hilari i njena banda, sto je katastrofa.
Nadam se da ce uspeti sa nadju nekog iole kasvetnog.
Nadam se da ce uspeti sa nadju nekog iole kasvetnog.
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Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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Mislim, ovo sve govori... alternative su skoro sigurno mnogo gore.
https://www.wuwm.com/2024-06-28/bernie-sanders-on-tour-in-wisconsin-supporting-president-bidens-reelection
https://www.wuwm.com/2024-06-28/bernie-sanders-on-tour-in-wisconsin-supporting-president-bidens-reelection
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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."
Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
Old Dry Keith
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Nakon uvida u bojište Demokratske stranke, rekao bih da sledi zapravo najbezvezniji scenario u kome Bajden ostaje kandidat a dve frakcije se dugo kolju oko toga može li on da iznese
izbore ili ne. Ako to bude tako, bolje da izaberu Trampa aklamacijom da ne bi gubili i vreme i pare.
Ne znam koja je PR veština potrebna da se Bajden pokaže energized, primed and ready, prone to gaffes but brimming with sagely something or other, pošto ste ga već jednom proglasili nesposobnim. Problem je u tome što ne biva da se jako stari ljudi podmlade i povrate kognitivne moći, to je stvar porodičnog iskustva svakog od nas.
izbore ili ne. Ako to bude tako, bolje da izaberu Trampa aklamacijom da ne bi gubili i vreme i pare. Ne znam koja je PR veština potrebna da se Bajden pokaže energized, primed and ready, prone to gaffes but brimming with sagely something or other, pošto ste ga već jednom proglasili nesposobnim. Problem je u tome što ne biva da se jako stari ljudi podmlade i povrate kognitivne moći, to je stvar porodičnog iskustva svakog od nas.
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Gdje punac drži pive?
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Da, to je sad katastrofa od opcije, ne vidim bas ni da je moguca. Mada, sa Hilari smo imali nesto slicno. Bilo je jasno da ne moze da se izvuce, da je nepopularna i da je svi mrze, ali jbg, the machine goes brrrr i nema zaustavljanja.
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Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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Оно, бива и то али кад испари алкохол или шта већ, прође.
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the more you drink, the W.C.
И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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The debate really made Biden's decline obvious in a way it wasn't before, but I don't think it can explain the sudden and almost complete reversal we're seeing right now in the commentariat.
— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) June 28, 2024
I think part of the story here is that many liberal commentators already believed that… https://t.co/25YcGzkTRq
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Ako neko vidi Bajdena u narednih mesec-dva neka mu kaze da je i u SFRJ pred raspad vladala gerijatrija
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Uprava napolje!
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Folks, I might not walk as easily or talk as smoothly as I used to.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) June 28, 2024
I might not debate as well as I used to.
But what I do know is how to tell the truth.pic.twitter.com/ep5D0EhT5P
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Demidj kontrol
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Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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That's why it's only a demi.
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the more you drink, the W.C.
И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the…
— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) June 28, 2024
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ova zemlja to je to
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BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just ruled 6-3 that it is legal to criminalize homelessness.
— More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) June 28, 2024
The Court sided with an Oregon town that made it illegal to camp in public, overturning a decades long precedent that says criminalizing homelessness is cruel and unusual punishment.
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Vidim i oni gledali debatu i ne čase časa
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da li je sada prvi put radjen ovaj split screen?
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Ovdje djeluje suvislo, što me navodi na pomisao da su mu možda pred debatu mangupi dali loše nikakve droge da ispadne dement i da ubace svoju kandidatkinju.plachkica wrote:Folks, I might not walk as easily or talk as smoothly as I used to.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) June 28, 2024
I might not debate as well as I used to.
But what I do know is how to tell the truth.pic.twitter.com/ep5D0EhT5P
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Ha rendelkezésre áll a szükséges pénz, a vége általában jó.
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Како рече неко горе, контролише се тај деми ђ.
Овде има само да каже шта има, нема питања, нема противника, нема да реагује на било шта осим ов(ул)ација, много се лакше скриптује.
Овде има само да каже шта има, нема питања, нема противника, нема да реагује на било шта осим ов(ул)ација, много се лакше скриптује.
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the more you drink, the W.C.
И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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10/10konjski nil wrote:starkelje kao ja moraju da budu oprezne kako im kovidističko ludilo ne bi Izjelo vijuge
Konjski ne maši:
Hittin’ hard for sure, :sunglasses::joy: pic.twitter.com/pFyIhKYiyC
— Tiffany Gomas (@Tiffany_Gomas) June 24, 2024
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"Sisaj kurac, Boomere. Spletkario si i nameštao ban pa se sad izvlačiš. Radiša je format a ti si mali iskompleksirani miš. Katastrofa za Burundi čoveče.
A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža." - Monsier K.
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Toeto
Me at the grocery store after telling my wife I don’t need a list pic.twitter.com/7f8aeoQ7PW
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[size=33]Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David[/size]
President Biden is trying to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety after last week’s disastrous debate performance.
[size=16]President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.
Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.
Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself and change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet. Aides were burning phone lines over the weekend to prevent major elected officials and financial supporters from abandoning him.
One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.
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[size=16]Other family members were trying to figure out how they could be helpful. At least one of the president’s grandchildren has expressed interest in getting more involved with the campaign, perhaps by talking with influencers on social media, according to the informed person.
The anger among Democrats was made evident on Sunday when John Morgan, a top Democratic donor, publicly blamed the advisers who managed the president’s debate preparations, citing by name Ron Klain, Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer.
“Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband,” Mr. Morgan [size=16]wrote on social media. “They need to go … TODAY. The grifting is gross. It was political malpractice.”
He elaborated in a subsequent interview. “It would be like if you took a prizefighter who was going to have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours then said, ‘Go fight,’” he said. “I believe that the debate is solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and Anita Dunn.”
Members of Mr. Biden’s family were likewise said to be focused on the president’s staff, including Ms. Dunn, a White House senior adviser, and her husband, Mr. Bauer, the president’s personal attorney, who played Mr. Trump during debate rehearsals.[/size]
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They were asking why Mr. Klain, the former White House chief of staff who ran the preparations, would in their view allow him to be overloaded with statistics, and they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan, was made up to look pale and pallid, said one of the people, who has been in touch with several members of the family.
But the person said that the president himself was not among those who were upset and that he still trusted Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn, Mr. Bauer and the others. Other Democrats said it was unfair to blame the staff for the president’s own failings, dismissing what they called typical second-guessing and scapegoating aimed at diverting fault away from Mr. Biden himself.
A couple of Democrats pointed out that neither family members nor Mr. Morgan or other critics attended the preparation sessions and therefore had no idea how they went. One member of Mr. Biden’s circle said that no one was happy with how the debate turned out and that it was human nature to look for someone to blame.
Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn and Mr. Bauer had no comment about the debate preparation, but Mr. Klain said that it was 100 percent certain the president would stay in the race. “He is the choice of the Democratic voters,” Mr. Klain said. “We are seeing record levels of support from grass-roots donors. We had a bad debate night. But you win campaigns by fighting — not quitting — in the face of adversity.”
He recalled a primary debate in 2019 that went badly but did not stop Mr. Biden. “It’s a tough, close campaign and he’s the person who can win it,” Mr. Klain said. “Big-money donors don’t get to dictate the nominee of the Democratic Party.”
In the days since the debate, Mr. Biden has privately and publicly acknowledged that he did not do well, and he has been calling trusted advisers like Mr. Klain; Ted Kaufman, his longtime aide and friend; and Jon Meacham, the historian and informal adviser; as well as key donors and party figures.
But two people familiar with Mr. Biden’s calls said that they were more about checking in to see what people were saying, rather than to seek advice about reassessing his future. One of the people on Mr. Biden’s phone tree said that the president wanted to keep campaigning hard to drive a contrast with Mr. Trump, a convicted felon who tried to overturn the last election and made numerous false statements during the debate.
While the campaign has forcefully rejected advice that Mr. Biden step aside for another candidate just weeks before the roll call vote to formalize his nomination, many Democrats, including some working for the president, said they did not think the door was yet closed on that possibility.
But Mr. Biden is a proud man, and they said they believed that the odds of him trying to gut it out were still 4 or 5 to 1. The only way they said they could imagine him reversing course was if he could be afforded a dignified way out in which he could claim credit for ousting Mr. Trump in 2020, restoring the country and serving as a transition to the next generation.
[size=16]A new poll by CBS News found strong sentiment among Democratic voters for Mr. Biden, 81, to cede the way to a younger nominee. Forty-five percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate to take on the battle with Mr. Trump. Among voters overall, just 27 percent think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, down from 35 percent before the debate.
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Democratic allies took to the Sunday talk shows to defend the president. “If they weren’t engaged in a little bit of hand-wringing, they wouldn’t be Democrats,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia said on “Meet the Press” on NBC. But he added, “Joe Biden has demonstrated, not over 90 minutes, but over the last four years, the character and the mettle of the man that he is.”
Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland acknowledged that Mr. Biden’s age was a concern for voters. “The number 81 is an important number,” he said on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “But so is watching historically low unemployment rates. And I don’t think that people should lose sight of that.”
Mr. Moore said he would not run if Mr. Biden did drop out. “Joe Biden is not going to take himself out of this race, nor should he,” he said. “He has been a remarkable partner.”
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed talk of the president dropping out. “I support the Biden-Harris ticket,” she told Jen Psaki, a former Biden White House press secretary, on MSNBC. “I’m not abandoning Joe Biden right now, for any speculation.”
If any major discussions about the president’s future were to take place with the family, two Biden confidants said, they would not happen at Camp David, where too many people outside the family might overhear.
The family had already planned before the debate to spend the weekend at Camp David, in part to participate in a photo shoot with the veteran celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz. It was the first time the entire family had assembled in one place since Hunter Biden was convicted of federal gun charges; he still faces sentencing and another trial on tax charges.
A senior administration official who was not authorized to detail internal conversations said there was an ongoing debate over how the president moves forward — not about dropping out, but about how best to make the case that he should not.
The version of Mr. Biden that has emerged in rallies and at fund-raisers since Atlanta is more in line with the person his aides describe — someone who is energized, emphatic and willing to keep fighting until November.
But some aides were not happy to see him relying on a teleprompter in fund-raisers, a practice pushed by advisers seeking a more disciplined approach by the president even in informal settings. One aide said that Mr. Biden had been “scared” away from a more informal approach in recent months.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.3k0.zrjZ.e-P0N44WQTkm&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
President Biden is trying to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety after last week’s disastrous debate performance.
[size=16]President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.
Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.
Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself and change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet. Aides were burning phone lines over the weekend to prevent major elected officials and financial supporters from abandoning him.
One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.
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[size=16]Other family members were trying to figure out how they could be helpful. At least one of the president’s grandchildren has expressed interest in getting more involved with the campaign, perhaps by talking with influencers on social media, according to the informed person.
The anger among Democrats was made evident on Sunday when John Morgan, a top Democratic donor, publicly blamed the advisers who managed the president’s debate preparations, citing by name Ron Klain, Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer.
“Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband,” Mr. Morgan [size=16]wrote on social media. “They need to go … TODAY. The grifting is gross. It was political malpractice.”
He elaborated in a subsequent interview. “It would be like if you took a prizefighter who was going to have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours then said, ‘Go fight,’” he said. “I believe that the debate is solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and Anita Dunn.”
Members of Mr. Biden’s family were likewise said to be focused on the president’s staff, including Ms. Dunn, a White House senior adviser, and her husband, Mr. Bauer, the president’s personal attorney, who played Mr. Trump during debate rehearsals.[/size]
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They were asking why Mr. Klain, the former White House chief of staff who ran the preparations, would in their view allow him to be overloaded with statistics, and they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan, was made up to look pale and pallid, said one of the people, who has been in touch with several members of the family.
But the person said that the president himself was not among those who were upset and that he still trusted Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn, Mr. Bauer and the others. Other Democrats said it was unfair to blame the staff for the president’s own failings, dismissing what they called typical second-guessing and scapegoating aimed at diverting fault away from Mr. Biden himself.
A couple of Democrats pointed out that neither family members nor Mr. Morgan or other critics attended the preparation sessions and therefore had no idea how they went. One member of Mr. Biden’s circle said that no one was happy with how the debate turned out and that it was human nature to look for someone to blame.
Mr. Klain, Ms. Dunn and Mr. Bauer had no comment about the debate preparation, but Mr. Klain said that it was 100 percent certain the president would stay in the race. “He is the choice of the Democratic voters,” Mr. Klain said. “We are seeing record levels of support from grass-roots donors. We had a bad debate night. But you win campaigns by fighting — not quitting — in the face of adversity.”
He recalled a primary debate in 2019 that went badly but did not stop Mr. Biden. “It’s a tough, close campaign and he’s the person who can win it,” Mr. Klain said. “Big-money donors don’t get to dictate the nominee of the Democratic Party.”
In the days since the debate, Mr. Biden has privately and publicly acknowledged that he did not do well, and he has been calling trusted advisers like Mr. Klain; Ted Kaufman, his longtime aide and friend; and Jon Meacham, the historian and informal adviser; as well as key donors and party figures.
But two people familiar with Mr. Biden’s calls said that they were more about checking in to see what people were saying, rather than to seek advice about reassessing his future. One of the people on Mr. Biden’s phone tree said that the president wanted to keep campaigning hard to drive a contrast with Mr. Trump, a convicted felon who tried to overturn the last election and made numerous false statements during the debate.
While the campaign has forcefully rejected advice that Mr. Biden step aside for another candidate just weeks before the roll call vote to formalize his nomination, many Democrats, including some working for the president, said they did not think the door was yet closed on that possibility.
But Mr. Biden is a proud man, and they said they believed that the odds of him trying to gut it out were still 4 or 5 to 1. The only way they said they could imagine him reversing course was if he could be afforded a dignified way out in which he could claim credit for ousting Mr. Trump in 2020, restoring the country and serving as a transition to the next generation.
[size=16]A new poll by CBS News found strong sentiment among Democratic voters for Mr. Biden, 81, to cede the way to a younger nominee. Forty-five percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate to take on the battle with Mr. Trump. Among voters overall, just 27 percent think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, down from 35 percent before the debate.
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Democratic allies took to the Sunday talk shows to defend the president. “If they weren’t engaged in a little bit of hand-wringing, they wouldn’t be Democrats,” Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia said on “Meet the Press” on NBC. But he added, “Joe Biden has demonstrated, not over 90 minutes, but over the last four years, the character and the mettle of the man that he is.”
Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland acknowledged that Mr. Biden’s age was a concern for voters. “The number 81 is an important number,” he said on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “But so is watching historically low unemployment rates. And I don’t think that people should lose sight of that.”
Mr. Moore said he would not run if Mr. Biden did drop out. “Joe Biden is not going to take himself out of this race, nor should he,” he said. “He has been a remarkable partner.”
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed talk of the president dropping out. “I support the Biden-Harris ticket,” she told Jen Psaki, a former Biden White House press secretary, on MSNBC. “I’m not abandoning Joe Biden right now, for any speculation.”
If any major discussions about the president’s future were to take place with the family, two Biden confidants said, they would not happen at Camp David, where too many people outside the family might overhear.
The family had already planned before the debate to spend the weekend at Camp David, in part to participate in a photo shoot with the veteran celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz. It was the first time the entire family had assembled in one place since Hunter Biden was convicted of federal gun charges; he still faces sentencing and another trial on tax charges.
A senior administration official who was not authorized to detail internal conversations said there was an ongoing debate over how the president moves forward — not about dropping out, but about how best to make the case that he should not.
The version of Mr. Biden that has emerged in rallies and at fund-raisers since Atlanta is more in line with the person his aides describe — someone who is energized, emphatic and willing to keep fighting until November.
But some aides were not happy to see him relying on a teleprompter in fund-raisers, a practice pushed by advisers seeking a more disciplined approach by the president even in informal settings. One aide said that Mr. Biden had been “scared” away from a more informal approach in recent months.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.3k0.zrjZ.e-P0N44WQTkm&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
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I urge everyone to watch this.pic.twitter.com/5TuFW60yG0
— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) June 30, 2024
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Posle vakcine Regan, Vojtila i Bajden više se nisu mogli prepoznati.
Kako su prešli na narativ Zorana Lutovca: "i Ronaldinjo je nežne građe, ali ima dribling". Ili druga Tite: "mi će te nosimo druže Tito, ti samo zapovedaj i još doprinosi izgradnji socijaizma".
Kako su prešli na narativ Zorana Lutovca: "i Ronaldinjo je nežne građe, ali ima dribling". Ili druga Tite: "mi će te nosimo druže Tito, ti samo zapovedaj i još doprinosi izgradnji socijaizma".
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— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 1, 2024
BREAKING: The Supreme Court has sided with President Trump, ruling that presidents cannot be held criminally liable for official actions of government and delivering a nuke to Jack Smith’s January 6 indictment.
6-3 decision pic.twitter.com/0njYEu0Tkr