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Cousin Billy wrote:Sigurno se baš levičari zalažu za to i oni su sad najveći problem, pogodio si ko prstom u pekmez

MNE wrote:

Cousin Billy wrote:Sigurno se baš levičari zalažu za to i oni su sad najveći problem, pogodio si ko prstom u pekmez

da, uglavnom su se ljevičari zalagali za najstrožije korona mjere i praćenje ljudi uz maksimalno ugrožavanje privatnosti

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We're going to be in big big trouble in the UK.
The law of unintended consequences is about to take yet more casualties. 
This year, it gradually became apparent that more people were getting sicker from all sorts of illnesses.
It's the direct effect of almost everyone catching Covid and some catching Covid repeatedly. 
But the government can't say that it's covid causing the problem, because they told everyone that it's alright to catch Covid.
**which is not true** 
They told everyone omicron was mild (lie)
They told us we had all the tools (lie)
They told us the pandemic was over (lie)
They neglected to tell you that Covid still causes long covid and still damages your body. (truth) 
But individual people are getting more unwell the more times they catch Covid, and the population are becoming sicker overall the more times everyone catches covid. 
That scenario doesn't fit with the goverment lies.
So they needed cover. 
And dangerously, they have latched onto the simple but stupid 'immunity debt/gap' lie. 
This idea was created to explain away the worse repercussions of common illnesses this year.
Lots of kids dying of Strep A? It's because they weren't exposed to enough germs two years ago! (lie) 
The lie that you have to get sick with harmful pathogens to prime your immune system, or that enough people need to get sick, or some weird stupid variation of it. 
It's been rolled out on TV stations day and night here.
It's been rolled out in articles in papers and on news websites.
It's saturating the consciousness. 
About a dozen people said it to me at some point this morning.
It was like people have been programmed.
It was astonishing. 
And if the pandemic were truly over, it might not be so harmful, but people are now thinking that they *should* spread viruses.
They think they *should* catch viruses.
It's the logical conclusion of the immunity debt lie. 
So, astonishingly, people are starting to attend events while sick, **in order to help other people with their immunity**. 
You wouldn't think anyone could be that stupid, but they can. 
This is the country that voted for brexit and Boris Johnson. 
So we're now heading into a new variant wave when people not only resist mitigation, because they've been told that it causes Strep A child deaths, but also think they should spread viruses to help other people. 
The government were just trying to cover for their lies, but instead they have opened up a whole new and dangerous problem. 
With the immunity debt lie ringing in their ears, people are going to try to give *you* their illness this winter. 
It has already started. 
Be very careful whom you spend time with without mitigations this winter, because a lot of people now think they need to get sick to be well, and they need to get you sick to help you. 
The hideous irony of a 42yo who has now caught Covid 6 times, who is constantly ill with every infection around, saying to me this morning that they're sick because they haven't been exposed to enough germs. 
This is not a theory.
People I have met and spoken to are already thinking this way and acting on it. 
Please let me know when you encounter people thinking like this or saying it, it would be good to hear what variations of the thinking are going round.  

Getting COVID-19 a second time doubles a person’s chance of dying and triples the likelihood of being hospitalized, a new study found. Reinfection with COVID-19 increases also the risk of long COVID. https://t.co/dNjUH19xEH

— A.Szuster-Ciesielska @ASzusterCiesielska@med-masto (@AgnieszkaSzust3) December 11, 2022

As it turns out, getting repeatedly infected with SARS-COV-2 is bad and you should avoid it https://t.co/tnivnMANuX pic.twitter.com/6NVjhJVsOH

— Katrine Wallace, PhD (@DrKatEpi) November 11, 2022

Several funeral homes in BJ confirm huge increase in demand in past week/past 3 days. Mainly fr elderly pple who died at home, probably from/with covid, although that's not on death certificate. Crematoriums, funeral homes and hospitals are out of cooling space to store bodies.

— leen vervaeke (@leenvervaeke) December 16, 2022

Consequence: there's now a waiting list to get bodies into crematorium. RFA wrote about 5-6 days waiting list at 3 crematoriums in BJ (https://t.co/lrZBFwl599), we found 2 more with waiting list of 3-5 days. Means relatives have nowhere to go with the body of their loved one.

— leen vervaeke (@leenvervaeke) December 16, 2022

The increase of deaths + lack of preparation leads to added suffering. Pple having to lie to emergency services so they can get death certificate. Undertaker tells of bodies thrown on the floor. Weibo user tells of difficulties finding cooling space for body of deceased father...

— leen vervaeke (@leenvervaeke) December 16, 2022

I just see @ftchina is also reporting on this:
Beijing death toll mounts as Covid sweeps through Chinese capital https://t.co/4FCko7Vz8b

— leen vervaeke (@leenvervaeke) December 16, 2022

pootvarase po kini sve ekspresno. u pekingu mislim da preko pola ljudi ima temperaturu. firma sa kojom radim - od 70 u ofisu 20. televizijska kuca sa kojom radimo neku promociju - odtazali jer 10 od 12 imaju covid. po wecaht grupama za basket, izlaske, kviz i sl isto - vecina je kuci bolesna.

sangaj nije mnogo bolji, dok je na jugo malo lakse.

ja sam imao 39+ dva dana, ali sam se osecao ok. cekam test. mnogo kazu da testovi pokazuju pozitivan rezultat 3-5 dana nakon sto padne temperatura, a do tada si negativan. sada ako si pozitivan mozes da sedis kuci i lecis se, a mozes dobrovoljno u karantin centar. dopre par nedelja bi se proslavio i bio razlog da zatvore tvoju zgradu, ako ne i celi kvart.

do pre 10ak dana nisam znao nikoga ko je bio pozitivan u kini, sada ogromna vecina boluje, mnogi su pozitivni.

neverovatno je da su se svi razboleli bukvalno par dana nakon sto su nas poceli otvarati.

Notxor wrote:Zašto misliš da će mutacije da se zavrte u Kini, a ne u Švedskoj ili na Floridi?          (ozbiljno pitam)

svi su bolesni. danas sam bio u ofisu. na spratu od dvadesetak firmi samo ja i jedna kineskinja u susednoj kancelariji.

The Omnicron strain that is spreading like wildfire in China is BA.7 (a sub variant form of BA.5). It has an estimated R0 of between 10 to 18 which is probably one of the most infectious disease ever!
So China abandoning zero Covid was inevitable given this crazy R0 value.

— 金建'Kin'輝 (@DrKinKam) December 16, 2022

should have relaxed zero Covid over the Summer period rather than in the midst of winter time. Still, I reckon China will reach the same level of endemicity as in other countries, with least deaths and long time problems because zero Covid had served Chinese people really well.

— 金建'Kin'輝 (@DrKinKam) December 16, 2022

A People’s Daily commentary on Monday, a day before China scrapped its nationwide contact tracing app, repeatedly urged people to be responsible for their own health. Since then, the phrase has been repeated in news articles and public notices nationwide. https://t.co/SOmXj1IzjG

— Recon (@rangoon78rpm) December 16, 2022

Cousin Billy wrote:Ne znam za liberaše (generalno izbegavam takve etikete kao i razgovor sa ljudima koji ih koriste, baš volim što ti radiš veoma retko i nadam se da će to tako ostati) ali već sam pisao da mogu da biraju između neograničene robije i eksplozije korone, jer su već doneli pogrešne odluke i kasno je za umereno dobar ishod. Načelno mislim da drastične mere kao što su kineske mogu da se održavaju samo ograničeno i privremeno jer su u koliziji ne samo sa nekim opštim idejama o slobodi, već sa antropološkim, univerzalnim osobinama čoveka - težnja ka kretanju i socijalizaciji je kod ljudi toliko snažna da gube razum u izolaciji i lišeni kretanja, i ograničenja te vrste moraju se primenjivati umereno i oprezno. A konkretno, za Kinu mislim da nije nepogrešiva (mišljenje koje vlada kod mnogih protivnika atlantističke hegemonije) i da je ovde napravila ozbiljnu grešku pri pokušaju da sačuva lice pred Zapadom. I - trebalo je da se pripremaju, imali su neograničene resurse i dve godine iskustva. Nisu jer je u toj političkoj kulturi vrlo teško pripremati se za katastrofu.

Cousin Billy wrote:jer su već doneli pogrešne odluke i kasno je za umereno dobar ishod

Reports from China indicate BF.7 has the strongest infection ability(opens in new tab) out of the omicron subvariants in the country, being quicker to transmit than other variants, having a shorter incubation period, and with greater capacity to infect people who have had a previous COVID infection, or been vaccinated, or both.
To put this into context, BF.7 is believed to have an R0, or basic reproduction number, of 10 to 18.6(opens in new tab). This means an infected person will transmit the virus to an average of 10 to 18.6 other people. Research has shown omicron has an average R0 of 5.08(opens in new tab).

Mór Thököly wrote:Zta bi s tom vakcinom za omikron na kraju?

disident wrote:

Cousin Billy wrote:Ne znam za liberaše (generalno izbegavam takve etikete kao i razgovor sa ljudima koji ih koriste, baš volim što ti radiš veoma retko i nadam se da će to tako ostati) ali već sam pisao da mogu da biraju između neograničene robije i eksplozije korone, jer su već doneli pogrešne odluke i kasno je za umereno dobar ishod. Načelno mislim da drastične mere kao što su kineske mogu da se održavaju samo ograničeno i privremeno jer su u koliziji ne samo sa nekim opštim idejama o slobodi, već sa antropološkim, univerzalnim osobinama čoveka - težnja ka kretanju i socijalizaciji je kod ljudi toliko snažna da gube razum u izolaciji i lišeni kretanja, i ograničenja te vrste moraju se primenjivati umereno i oprezno. A konkretno, za Kinu mislim da nije nepogrešiva (mišljenje koje vlada kod mnogih protivnika atlantističke hegemonije) i da je ovde napravila ozbiljnu grešku pri pokušaju da sačuva lice pred Zapadom. I - trebalo je da se pripremaju, imali su neograničene resurse i dve godine iskustva. Nisu jer je u toj političkoj kulturi vrlo teško pripremati se za katastrofu.

Jedino sa čime se ne slažem je taj deo težnji i socilizaciji ljudi, iako nam ovde fali insajder iz Kine, nisam stekao utisak da su kineske mere bile toliko ekstremne. To o protracenom vremenu da se pripreme, inertnosti sistema i sta se desi kada se kurs u takvom drustvu zaokrene za 180c sve stoji.