Virus

Cousin Billy wrote:Moglo bi se takođe reći da su ljudi, u nedostatku podataka o virusu koji se pojavio mesec dana pre toga, i u nedostatku resursa za lečenje obolelih od kovida, primenjivali višestruke metode zaštite i postepeno ukidali one za koje je procenjeno da su redundantni ili nepotrebni, što se sve zajedno zove metodično i oprezno ponašanje tokom pandemije. A ljudi koji su pitali "Koji vam je qrac jbt", po mom anegdotskom iskustvu, i sada govore "koji vam je qrac jbt", ne nose maske, ne vakcinišu se i veselo zaražavaju svoje porodice i užu i širu okolinu, i uopšte se ponašaju neopisivo nadmeno i sa dozom kretenskog  i iracionalnog mačizma koji ne uzima u obzir da virus apsolutno nije zainteresovan za ego pojedinaca i za stepen njihove kuloće i ravnodušnosti.

Cousin Billy wrote:To ti kažem, najbitnije je ostati kul, odabereš umirujući podatak i držiš se za njega kao dete za medu i ignorišeš SVE OSTALE podatke, pa i one da smrtnost virusa ide i do 10% nakon što se u potpunosti zakrče bolnički kapaciteti.

Čitali smo ovde svašta, pa i da je kupovina kućnih potrepština znak histerije i virtue signaling 

Sva ta kuloća kojoj svedočimo tokom poslednje dve godine je nepogrešivi znak histerije, i u najvećoj meri je detektujem kod ljudi u svojoj okolini koji i inače imaju problema sa svakodnevnim životnim izazovima, tj ne umeju da dobro vode svoje živote, ne razmišljaju unapred i generalno bi u zombi apokalipsi stradali tokom uvodne špice. Svi brišu domestosom, a ti ne, jer eto ne želiš da podležeš hajpu. Pa očisti brate domestosom, možda ne pomaže protiv korone ali ćeš imati čistiju kuću, kako to može da škodi? 

According to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the district of Freyung-Grafenau has the highest incidence value nationwide on Sunday with 1651.5 - the second day in a row. The situation is "catastrophic," the District Administrator of the Freyung-Grafenau District, Sebastian Gruber (CSU) said. "Our hospitals and intensive care capacities are close to collapse, and there are already individual transfers to other government districts."
According to Gruber, the vaccination rate in the district is currently around 57 percent, which is below the Bavarian average of currently 66 percent. While there is a "run" on vaccinations, he said, this often involves booster shots. In the case of initial vaccinations, only small steps are still being taken. For this reason, District Administrator Gruber once again urgently appeals to the entire population of the district to be vaccinated.

ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin
Most of the resources we are devoting to Covid in hospital are being spent on people who have not had their jab
In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.
The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.
The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.
All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.
Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).
Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.
As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally – unlike some of my colleagues – have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.
Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.
Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.
Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.
Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?
Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.
Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.
The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals

Bitka za život: "Nama ne treba još jedan rat. Svaki dan nam umire 40, 50 ljudi"
Epidemija u Hrvatskoj bukti. Oborili smo rekorde. Prošlotjedni val tek će se u ovom tjednu preliti na bolnice. A stanje je u njima već teško. Liječnici i medicinske sestre su iscrpljeni. Uvjerili smo se u to i sami - ekipa HTV-ove emisije Puls provela je nekoliko sati na COVID odjelu splitske bolnice i svjedočila bitci za svaki život koja se ondje neumorno vodi. Ovo je prava istina o borbi protiv koronavirusa. Upozoravamo da bi vas neke snimke mogle uznemiriti.
- Nisam zabrinut što će biti za tri tjedna. Zabrinut sam što će biti sutra, govori doc. prim. dr. sc. Božidar Duplančić, anesteziolog intenzivist u KBC-u Split.
Vodi nas sa sobom u jutarnju vizitu u jedinicu intenzivnog liječenja COVID pozitivnih bolesnika na Klinici za anesteziologiju, reanimatologiju i intenzivno liječenje. Mnogima od njih život spašavaju respiratori. Radi se o uređaju, objašnjava nam Duplančić, koji je sličan aparatu za anesteziju - sučelje je isto, ali aparat za anesteziju još ima dva dodatka za plinovite anestetike.
- Respirator ne ubija, nego respirator spašava ljude. Respirator nam daje vrijeme potrebno da se pluća oporave, kaže Duplančić.
Jedna te ista ekipa, kaže, ovdje radi više od godinu dana. Liječnika ima dovoljno, no medicinskih sestara trebalo bi biti barem dvostruko više, upozorava.
- Umorna sam, umorni su svi kolege i kolegice. Baš neko jutro sam se pitala - "Bože, hoćemo li mi to sve moći izdržati?", govori nam Jadranka Maras, glavna sestra COVID jedinice intenzivnog liječenja.
- Za sada nekako uspijevamo, ali ako se ovo sve dalje razvuče, ako se ljudi ne cijepe, ako nas ne poslušaju... Mislim da bi ovi kadrovi što ste prošli preko našeg odjela trebali biti i neko upozorenje, dodaje.
- Naravno da nas je strah, kaže glavna sestra Ivanka Ercegović.
Duplančić upozorava kako je COVID-19 najveća ugroza hrvatske države i naroda nakon Domovinskog rata.
- Nama ne treba još jedan rat. Svaki dan nam umire 40, 50 ljudi. Sada domoljublje nije frenetično skakanje na prvi takt Lijepe naše, hvatanje za lijevu stranu prsišta... Sada je domoljublje, u ovom trenutku pogibelji hrvatskog naroda, odgovorno se ponašati, poručuje Duplančić, koji zaključuje - cijepljenje je najpametniji način zaštite od ove bolesti.

ontheotherhand wrote:Jel koristite sprejeve i rastvore za nos i grlo kao vid preventive? Vidim ovaj Hemofarmov Viru Protect da se reklamira.

Preminuo kolega juce, 93. godiste.

"Nažalost, prva beba koju smo primili sa 10 dana starosti, preminula je prošle nedelje. Posle skoro šest nedelje borbe za njen život... Nismo uspeli", istakla je ona [dr Snežana Rsovac iz Univerzitetske dečje klinike u Tiršovoj].