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    Post by MNE Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:47 pm

    Shooting down balloons with conventional weapons is a tricky business: modern missile systems aren't meant to shoot at them. First, their IR signature is minimal, so you can scratch AIM-9X off the list to start. 5/n 
    Then there's the altitude. These balloons can hang out at >90k feet. The best US interceptor, the F-22, tops out a little above 60k. Problem is, even if they got there, shooting it down is next to impossible. 6/n 
    The gap in altitude is sufficiently large that guns aren't an option. Neither is AIM-9X. AIM-120s are radar guided missiles. However, because the balloon has no doppler compared to the the wind and clouds around it, systems tend not to "see" it. 7/n 
    Modern weapons systems are designed to ignore things that don't move, like chaff, clouds... or balloons as a side effect.

    AIM-120 wasn't really designed to engage targets at >90k feet either. The control surfaces don't function as well at such high altitude. 8/n 

    MIM-104 Patriot missiles can hit things at high altitude, but again, not meant to hit things that have no relative motion to the wind.

    Directed energy weapons might work, but we don't have those in service for this mission. 9/n 
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    Post by Filipenko Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:09 pm

    Samo da unapred kazem da ce krivac za bilo kakav konflikt biti Tajvan. Dok se sprovodi halabuka i zapad se dere na sav glas o pretnji po kukavnu tajvansku demokratiju, dotle tajvanska predsednica i americka ispostava na tom ostrvu Cai Ingven ponistava gomilu sporazuma sa Kinom u Kurti stilu, gusi opoziciju i demokratiju u koju se kune i koju navodno SAD prosto moraju da brane i provocira vojne akcije, lupetajuci sa jedne strane kako Kina samo sto nije napala a sa druge strane kako ce ih Amerikanci braniti. Ili, sto bi rekli haski tuzitelji, sluzi se govorom mrznje da podstice atmosferu rata i sukoba.
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    Post by Guest Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:11 pm

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    Filipenko wrote:Jebes mi sve ako ne bih poslao sina Zirinovskog da u Migu 31 obleti USA, onako cisto da vidim sta ce se desiti.
    Kanda bi ti rado uzjahao Miga.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:19 pm

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    Post by Solus_Rex Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:32 pm

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    Post by Notxor Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:45 pm

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    Post by konjski nil Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:52 pm

    plot twist 
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    Post by Notxor Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:53 pm

    Ima kemtrejl ispod na snimku par sekundi kasnije.


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    Post by kapetanm Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:05 pm

    Šta sy našli kad je pao
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    Post by Notxor Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:23 pm

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    Post by Filipenko Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:28 pm

    kapetanm wrote:Šta sy našli kad je pao


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    Post by ficfiric Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:43 pm

    E da je haarp u funkciji pa da su samo nastelovali vetar da ode negde drugde


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    Post by MNE Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:16 pm

    ovo je bilo tipa Australija vs Đoković
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:16 am

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    But experts say that the balloon, which is being closely monitored by US officials, looks nothing like a typical weather balloon.
    “The reported characteristics of this balloon don’t really match anything that we’re familiar with,” Jonathan Porter, the chief meteorologist at Accuweather, tells TIME. (...)
    Around the world, thousands of government-operated and privately owned weather balloons are launched daily to collect information about temperature, winds and moisture in the atmosphere. Porter explains that this balloon was detected so quickly and raised alarms because of its massive size. A typical weather balloon grows in size as it ascends through the atmosphere, starting off at about six feet wide, and expanding to roughly 20 feet in diameter as it rises. The Chinese balloon clocks in at around 90 feet wide, or the length of three buses, according to U.S. defense officials.
    “The kinds of weather balloons that are launched twice a day from Weather Service offices are typically just a little box that has a temperature sensor, relative humidity sensor, pressure sensor and then a little tiny transmitter,” Alexandra Anderson-Frey, a professor of atmospheric science at the University of Washington, tells TIME. “Based on the photos that have been going around, there’s obviously a lot more equipment on this one.”
    https://time.com/6253002/chinese-balloon-weather-balloon-experts/
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:04 pm

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    Japan u junu '20:
    https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200704/p2a/00m/0na/002000c
     
    Indija u januaru '22:
    http://www.andamansheekha.com/101331/
     
    Filipini u decembru '22:
    • There is no evidence the airship was from China, though its design appears similar to types on display at the Zhuhai air show

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3204389/mystery-airship-spotted-over-philippines-near-south-china-sea
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:07 pm

    Američko saopštenje povodom obaranja balona:
    Statement From Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III, Feb. 4, 2023
    This afternoon, at the direction of President Biden, U.S. fighter aircraft assigned to U.S. Northern Command successfully brought down the high altitude surveillance balloon launched by and belonging to the People's Republic of China (PRC) over the water off the coast of South Carolina in U.S. airspace.  The balloon, which was being used by the PRC in an attempt to surveil strategic sites in the continental United States, was brought down above U.S. territorial waters.  On Wednesday, President Biden gave his authorization to take down the surveillance balloon as soon as the mission could be accomplished without undue risk to American lives under the balloon's path.  After careful analysis, U.S. military commanders had determined downing the balloon while over land posed an undue risk to people across a wide area due to the size and altitude of the balloon and its surveillance payload. In accordance with the President's direction, the Department of Defense developed options to take down the balloon safely over our territorial waters, while closely monitoring its path and intelligence collection activities.  This action was taken in coordination, and with the full support, of the Canadian government.  And we thank Canada for its contribution to tracking and analysis of the balloon through NORAD as it transited North America.  Today's deliberate and lawful action demonstrates that President Biden and his national security team will always put the safety and security of the American people first while responding effectively to the PRC's unacceptable violation of our sovereignty.
    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3288535/statement-from-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii/

    Iz opisa obaranja balona na sajtu američkog min. odbrane proizlazi da nije u pitanju prvi ovakav slučaj:
    The balloon did not pose a military or physical threat. Still its intrusion into American airspace over several days was an unacceptable violation of U.S. sovereignty. The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration. 
    While Chinese officials admitted that the balloon was theirs, they said it was a runaway weather balloon. "The PRC has claimed publicly that the high-altitude balloon operating above the United States is a weather balloon that was blown off course. This is false," the official said. "This was a PRC surveillance balloon. This surveillance balloon purposely traversed the United States and Canada, and we are confident it was seeking to monitor sensitive military sites." 
    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/

    Kinesko saopštenje povodom obaranja balona:
    The Foreign Ministry Issues Statement on the US Claim of Downing a Chinese Unmanned Airship, 2023-02-05 08:58
    China strongly disapproves of and protests against the US attack on a civilian unmanned airship by force. The Chinese side has, after verification, repeatedly informed the US side of the civilian nature of the airship and conveyed that its entry into the US due to force majeure was totally unexpected. The Chinese side has clearly asked the US side to properly handle the matter in a calm, professional and restrained manner. The spokesperson of the US Department of Defense also noted that the balloon does not present a military or physical threat to people on the ground. Under such circumstances, the US use of force is a clear overreaction and a serious violation of international practice. China will resolutely safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of the company concerned, and reserves the right to make further responses if necessary.
    https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/202302/t20230205_11019871.html
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    Post by MNE Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:05 pm

    i šta sad ako Kina pošalje još 10 balona i to koji lete na visini na kojoj F22 ne može da ih dohvati
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:10 pm

    Da li kineski baloni mogu da lete i iznad nas?


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    Post by MNE Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:14 pm

    u principu mogu, ali bi prvo morali da prelete USA

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