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    Post by Hans Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:09 pm

    Bio sam za treću vakcinu i sad tamo dvoje penzosa zaboravilo naočare. I šta ću, aj da im ispunim papir.

    Ona ima 83 godine, starica blagog karaktera, obraća mi se sa "sine", izvinjava se što me zadržava. Siromašna, vidi se, žali se kako je jedva došla zbog problema sa srcem. Nema ni mobilni telefon. Pitam je koju će vakcinu, kažem joj da ima i Fajzer, ona kaže tonom kojim kao da mi se izvinjava "Sine, ja bih ipak kinesku". U tom skače neka mlađa penzionerka, kaže kako je Fajzer zlo, njeni se svi "porazboljevali", bolje kinesku.

    Drugom penzioneru popunjavam prijavu, kategoričan je da želi kinesku. Uzeo prvu turu kineza, pitao doktora šta da uzme, ovaj ga pitao da li kad pije meša pivo i vino i eto odluke.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:16 pm

    Sranje, ali aj nek su primili stagod, samo da su primili.

    To je ono o cemu prica Mor, okej je bio kinez pre 6 meseci, ali je bezobrazno sad najugrozenijima i najstarijima uvaljivati vakcinu za koju se zna da im najmanje pomaze. Tu su razlike u procentima doslovno razlike izmedju zivota i smrti. U UAE i Turskoj se kinezi bustuju fajzerom, upravo zato.

    Jos jedna tema za narodni sud.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:17 pm

    Ma da bre
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:27 pm

    u srbiji svi jedva čekaju da stariji umru, država da ih skine sa penzije, rodbina da otme nasledstvo.
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:33 pm

    WHO Director-General, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, 7.10.2021:
    At this press conference almost exactly one year ago I said that the world was eagerly anticipating the results of trials of vaccines against COVID-19. I also said that once we had a vaccine we must use it effectively by making sure it's available to all countries equitably.

    The development and approval of vaccines in record time took us to the summit of scientific achievement. Now we stand on the precipice of failure if we don't make the benefits of science available to all people in all countries right now.

    More than 6.4 billion vaccine doses have now been administered globally and almost one-third of the world's population is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 but those numbers mask a horrifying inequity.

    High and upper-middle-income countries have used 75% of all vaccines produced so far. Low-income countries have received less than 0.5% of the world's vaccines. In Africa less than 5% of people are fully vaccinated.

    As you know, earlier this year WHO set a target for all countries to vaccinate 10% of their populations by the end of September. 56 countries didn't make it through no fault of their own.

    Today WHO is launching the strategy to achieve global COVID-19 vaccination by mid 2022. The strategy outlines the road we must all take together to achieve our targets of vaccinating 40% of the population of every country by the end of this year and 70% by the middle of next year.

    Achieving these targets will require at least 11 billion vaccine doses. This is not a supply problem. It is an allocation problem. By the end of September almost 6.5 billion doses had already been administered worldwide.

    With global vaccine production now at nearly 1.5 billion doses per month there is enough supply to achieve our targets provided they're distributed equitably.

    Contracts are in place for the remaining five billion doses but it's critical that those doses go where they are needed most with priority given to older people, health workers and other at-risk groups.We can only achieve our targets if the countries and companies that control vaccine supply put contracts for COVAX and the African Vaccine Acquisition Trust, AVAT, first for deliveries and donated doses.

    We have the tools to bring the pandemic under control if we use them properly and share them fairly and we must remember that vaccines are a powerful tool but not the only one. All countries must continue with a comprehensive risk-based approach of public health and social measures in combination with equitable vaccination.

    Vaccine equity will accelerate the end of the pandemic. Achieving WHO's vaccine equity targets will substantially increase population immunity globally, protect health systems, enable economies to fully restart and reduce the risk of new variants emerging.
    https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transcript---7-october-2021
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:01 pm


    All countries must continue with a comprehensive risk-based approach of public health and social measures 


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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:05 pm

    Neverue u vakcinu.


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:57 pm

    Sa današnjih naslovnica:

    Informer:
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    Novosti:
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:55 pm


     
    Out of a total of 385 patients who died, 352 [91,4%] were unvaccinated and 33 [8,6%] vaccinated. Vaccinated deceased patients ranged in age from 38 to 86 years. Of the vaccinated deceased patients, 32 had comorbidities and 1 had no comorbidities.
    https://stirioficiale.ro/informatii/buletin-de-presa-8-octombrie-2021-ora-13-00 (prevod: Google Translate)
     
    U Rumuniji je potpuno vakcinisano 28,7% stanovništva i još 2,6% jednom dozom.
     
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+(by+dose)&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~ROU
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:04 pm

    taj komorbiditis je pobio više ljudi od korone
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    Post by MNE Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:22 pm

    dobro jutro
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:57 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
     
    Out of a total of 385 patients who died, 352 [91,4%] were unvaccinated and 33 [8,6%] vaccinated. Vaccinated deceased patients ranged in age from 38 to 86 years. Of the vaccinated deceased patients, 32 had comorbidities and 1 had no comorbidities.
    https://stirioficiale.ro/informatii/buletin-de-presa-8-octombrie-2021-ora-13-00 (prevod: Google Translate)
     
    U Rumuniji je potpuno vakcinisano 28,7% stanovništva i još 2,6% jednom dozom.
     
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+(by+dose)&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~ROU

    Znaci mi ispod 190 nismo nikako
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:59 pm

    MNE wrote:dobro jutro

    Moja baba je bila srcani bolesnik od svoje 50te do svoje 95 godine. Da je koronu dobila u 51voj vrv bi umrla. Tako da, ne, ne ubija komorbidititis
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    Post by Sotir Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:09 pm

    По овим подацима вакцине и Румунији штите нешто мање од 80% од смртног случаја. Користе само западне вакцине.

    Требало би да буде и нешто већа заштита од тога, жкад се уведу у рачун и прележали, и по годинама.
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:27 pm

    A jebite ne mož čovek ni da bude neozbiljan
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    Post by MNE Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:27 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    MNE wrote:dobro jutro

    Moja baba je bila srcani bolesnik od svoje 50te do svoje 95 godine. Da je koronu dobila u 51voj vrv bi umrla. Tako da, ne, ne ubija komorbidititis
    sumnjam da za 45 godina nije dobila baš nijednu bolest tako da bi vjerovatno pregurala, ono zavisi od sto i jednog faktora
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:46 pm

    I svi ti faktori vezani su za reakciju na virus SARS-Cov2. Hajd sad izvuci logičan zaključak iz toga, znam da možeš
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    Post by MNE Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:51 pm

    ima ljudi sa više komorbiditeta koji su lagano pregurali COVID, recimo jedan od faktora može da bude vitamin D jer iz nekog razloga oni sa visokim nivoom relativno lako podnose COVID bez obzira na ostale bolesti

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33512007/
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    Post by ontheotherhand Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:32 pm

    Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People
    https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

    Anew study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center and UC San Francisco shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.

    The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote. The study is currently available online as a preprint from MedRxiv.
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:33 pm

    Broj hospitalizovanih u Švajcarskoj prema statusu (nevakcinisani, potpuno vakcinisani Fajzerom i potpuno vakcinisani Modernom) od početka kampanje vakcinacije:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated

    Broj umrlih u Švajcarskoj prema statusu (nevakcinisani, potpuno vakcinisani Fajzerom i potpuno vakcinisani Modernom) od početka kampanje vakcinacije:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated&indicator=death

    Udeli vakcinisanih u populaciji:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated&indicator=death

    Apsolutni broj vakcinacija:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/doses?vaccRel=abs

    Prijavljene sumnje na ozbiljne reakcije na vakcine:

    Definicija:
    Serious adverse vaccination reactions are those that are fatal or life-⁠threatening, require hospitalisation or the extension of hospitalisation, lead to permanent or serious disability or incapacity or manifest in a congenital malformation/birth defect. They also include reactions that are judged to be medically important because they acutely endanger patients or require treatment to prevent a serious outcome.
    All other side effects are deemed to be non-⁠serious side effects.

    Fajzer:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms?vaccine=pfizer_biontech

    Dakle, jedna prijavljena sumnja na ozbiljnu reakciju na Fajzera na svakih 3568 doza, tj. 0,028%, odnosno pri 99,972% vakcinisanja nije došlo do ozbiljnih reakcija.

    Moderna:

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    https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms?vaccine=moderna

    Dakle, jedna prijavljena sumnja na ozbiljnu reakciju na Modernu na svake 4364 doze, tj. 0,023%, odnosno pri 99,977% vakcinisanja nije došlo do ozbiljnih reakcija.
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:38 pm

    Irska:
    67% OF PATIENTS being treated in intensive care units with Covid-19 have not been vaccinated, HSE chief Paul Reid has said.

    Speaking on RTÉ’s This Week, Reid said that of the 74 people currently in ICU with the virus, 67% have not been vaccinated while 3% are partially vaccinated.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/20-rise-in-icu-patients-since-last-week-hse-ceo-5570675-Oct2021/

    Dakle, od svih pacijenata na intenzivnoj nezi 30% je potpuno vakcinisano, pri čemu je u Irskoj je potpuno vakcinisano 74% populacije. To odgovara efikasnosti vakcina protiv završavanja na intenzivnoj nezi od najmanje 85%, pošto zanemarujemo da je vakcinisana populacija starija i bolesnija jer nema podataka o tome u kojoj meri je to slučaj.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:58 pm

    Uooste ne treba tako da daju podatke, ni oni ni bilo ko drugi. masa ljudi nece na osnovu toga razumeti da vakcina stiti 85% od dolaska u ICU, odnosno u daleko vecem procentu ako si zdrav i prav pre zarazavanja.
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:01 pm

    Slažem se, samo stope na 100.000 ljudi istog vakcinalnog statusa.

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