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    rumbeando

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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:59 pm

    Po izraelskim podacima oni koji su preležali jedva da se zaražavaju deltom, a u zadnjih nedelju dana za koju postoje podaci, kad se gleda populacija starija od 20 godina, udeo vakcinisanih potpuno je jednak njihovom učešću u populaciji, što će reći da vakcine praktično ne štite od zaražavanja (zapravo štite malo s obzirom da statistiku nevakcinisanih dosta popravljaju preležali koji su ubrojani u nevakcinisane).

    Vakcinisani takođe čine veliku većinu hospitalizovanih i onih teško bolesnih, što i nije čudno s obzirom na mali broj nevakcinisanih u rizičnim starosnim grupama.







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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:28 pm

    A kako stoje sa umrlima vakcinisani/nevakcinisani, ima li gde?
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:37 pm

    ja planiram od ponedeljka da panicim


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    rumbeando

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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:41 pm

    Evo i za umrle u julu: 8 vakcinisanih, a 3 nevakcinisanih.



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    boomer crook

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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 am

    meni ovo lici na propagandu za herd immunity


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:09 am

    mislim da vakcina uopste ne radi vec bi inali prepune bolnice sandzak style


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:10 am

    Izrael je trenutno na 7,8% pika po broju zaraženih, a na 2,3% pika po broju umrlih.

    Dakle, smrtnost je oko 3,4x manja nego u prošlom talasu. Sad je opet pitanje u kojoj meri je za to zaslužna vakcina (verovatno više), a u kojoj meri činjenica da delta više pogađa i mlađe (verovatno manje, i to opet delom zbog masovne vakcinacije starijih).

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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:17 am

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:31 am

    boomer crook wrote:mislim da vakcina uopste ne radi vec bi inali prepune bolnice sandzak style

    Ma da bre. Gledam UK npr, brojevi umrlih su desetak puta manji nego sa ovim ciframa obolelih u prethodnim talasima
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:38 am

    Tako je, Britanija je trenutno na 66% prethodnog pika po broju zaraženih, na 9,6% po broju hospitalizovanih, na 13,4% po broju pacijenata na intenzivnoj nezi i na 3,2% po broju umrlih.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:53 am

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    Post by MNE Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:26 am

    ne može se porediti prošli i ovaj talas jer je u prošlom broj prirodno imunizovanih bio drastično manji
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:25 pm

    U Britaniji uskoro očekuju 100.000 slučajeva i 1000 hospitalizacija dnevno, a možda i 200.000 slučajeva i 2000 hospitalizacija, kao i pik ovog talasa tek krajem avgusta, a možda čak i u septembru.

    13.7. je bilo 36.500 slučajeva i 740 hospitalizacija.


    Speaking on BBC 1’s Andrew Marr Show, Professor Neil Ferguson said: “I think it’s almost certain we’ll get to 1,000 hospitalisations per day,” as he expects cases to rise to 100,000 cases per day
    “The real question is,” he said, “do we get to double that or even higher?”
    “We could get to 2,000 hospitalisations a day, 200,000 cases a day, but it’s much less certain.”
    He added that infections at this level would place a “significant burden” on the health system, even though vaccination has reduced the link with serious illness and death.
    He said that while people who were being admitted to hospital appeared to not be as severely ill as those admitted in December and January, “if you have enough cases you can still have quite a significant burden on the healthcare system”.
    The government’s most recent data on hospitalisatons show that 740 people were admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 on 13 July.
    Over the week to 13 July, 4,313 people were admitted to hospital with coronavirus, an increase of nearly 40 per cent week-on-week.
    At the peak of the second wave, 4,579 patients were admitted to hospital on 13 January.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/covid-news-live-vaccine-freedom-b1886046.html


    The housing secretary said that the UK’s current wave of the coronavirus pandemic may not peak until “late August, maybe even early September.”
    Speaking with Trevor Phillips on Sky News, Robert Jenrick said that cases were still rising and revealed the government projection that the peak from the current wave would not be expected until later in the summer.
    Cases are still rising, hospitalisations are increasing and we won’t really expect this wave of the virus to peak until late August, maybe even early September,” he said.
    “There are going to be some quite challenging weeks ahead.”
    This comes as the UK reported more than 50,000 new Covid infections on Friday and Saturday, and the England is set to lift remaining coronavirus restrictions on Monday, a move the housing secretary defended.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/covid-news-live-vaccine-freedom-b1886046.html
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    Post by Del Cap Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:33 pm

    MOSCOW, July 18. /TASS/. The incidence of the coronavirus infection in Russia has practically stopped increasing over the past seven days, yet it continues to reach record highs in terms of fatalities for the fourth week in a row, according to TASS’ calculations based on the data from the anti-coronavirus crisis center.

    From July 12 to 18, the crisis center reported 174,800 new infections countrywide. This is only 1.4% more than during the previous seven days, while last week the increase amounted to 8%, and it was 18.7% the week before.

    The crisis center registered 5,417 fatalities over seven days. This is a new high since the beginning of the pandemic, the previous record high of 5,077 deaths was recorded last week.

    At the same time, the mortality indicator is almost not changing against the background of high incidence. Compared to last Sunday, it increased from 2.47% to 2.49%.
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:36 pm

    Broj hospitalizacija osetno brže raste nego prošli put kad su slične brojke bile u pitanju (sept-okt '20).


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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:25 pm

    Ma bre segregacija potpuna, bukvalno nema drugog rešenja. Francuski model proširiti i na sve forme javnog prevoza, PCR ne stariji od 48h gde god da ideš i šta god da radiš.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:37 pm

    +1
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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:34 pm

    pa u većem delu nemačke i ne možeš nigde osim u običnu samoposlugu bez tog brzog testa, već mesecima. tamo je problem što ljudi koji hoće da se vakcinišu čekaju mesecima, posebno jer su negde prebacili da to rade porodični lekari sa dnevnim brojem zakazanih oko 5 do 8 po lekaru.
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