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by паће Sat May 16, 2020 9:30 pmНема везе што трошимо колико и три наредне земље заједно, дајте још, има још фирми које се нису довољно омастиле.
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А и то, већ педесет година трошимо толико, и толико смо узнапредовали да би нас ови скоројевићи препишали на мору... дакле, шта не ваља ту? А, дај још пара.
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generalno - zickanje, slazem se
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A senior Chinese official appeared to confirm Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s allegation that Beijing had told labs in the country to destroy coronavirus samples in early January but slammed his characterization as misleading.
In a May 6 press briefing, Mr. Pompeo accused China of covering up the Covid-19 outbreak as it emerged in the central city of Wuhan, saying China’s National Health Commission had ordered destruction of samples of the virus on Jan. 3.
Asked about those comments at a press briefing in Beijing on Friday, NHC official Liu Dengfeng confirmed that the commission had issued these guidelines at that time “for pandemic prevention and control, which also played an important role in preventing biosafety risks.”
“If the laboratory conditions cannot meet the requirements for the safe preservation of samples, the samples should be destroyed on the spot or transferred to a professional institution for safekeeping,” said Mr. Liu, supervisor of the commission’s Department of Health Science, Technology and Education.
Chinese law has clear rules for the handling of highly pathogenic samples, he said.
Mr. Pompeo’s allegation that the samples were destroyed as part of a coverup “takes facts out of context with the aim of intentionally misleading people,” he said.
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China Told Labs to Destroy Coronavirus Samples to Cut Risks https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-told-labs-to-destroy-coronavirus-samples-to-reduce-biosafety-risks-11589684291
In a May 6 press briefing, Mr. Pompeo accused China of covering up the Covid-19 outbreak as it emerged in the central city of Wuhan, saying China’s National Health Commission had ordered destruction of samples of the virus on Jan. 3.
Asked about those comments at a press briefing in Beijing on Friday, NHC official Liu Dengfeng confirmed that the commission had issued these guidelines at that time “for pandemic prevention and control, which also played an important role in preventing biosafety risks.”
“If the laboratory conditions cannot meet the requirements for the safe preservation of samples, the samples should be destroyed on the spot or transferred to a professional institution for safekeeping,” said Mr. Liu, supervisor of the commission’s Department of Health Science, Technology and Education.
Chinese law has clear rules for the handling of highly pathogenic samples, he said.
Mr. Pompeo’s allegation that the samples were destroyed as part of a coverup “takes facts out of context with the aim of intentionally misleading people,” he said.
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China Told Labs to Destroy Coronavirus Samples to Cut Risks https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-told-labs-to-destroy-coronavirus-samples-to-reduce-biosafety-risks-11589684291
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Pa dobro zasto su onda unistavane?
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Па зато што нису имали ваљане услове да их чувају... могло је да процури било где, јелда. Али није јер су их уништили. На време. Ваљда.
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The joint resolution will represent a defeat of China's aggressive campaign against the Australia-initiated effort for an inquiry. But China can take solace in the fact that the joint resolution's language does not specifically call for the inquiry to cover the virus's "origins."
— Brahma Chellaney (@Chellaney) May 17, 2020
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Smrt ambasadora pod velom tajne, Kina šalje svoj tim za istragu - nedavno odgovorio na kritike Pompea
Jerusalim -- Kina će sposlati specijalni tim da istraži smrt ambasadora u Izraelu, čije je telo nađeno jutros u kineskoj rezidenciji u Tel Avivu, javljaju izraelski mediji.
Jerusalim -- Kina će sposlati specijalni tim da istraži smrt ambasadora u Izraelu, čije je telo nađeno jutros u kineskoj rezidenciji u Tel Avivu, javljaju izraelski mediji.
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"Diplomacy is grounded in clear principles and the watchwords for EU-China should be trust, transparency & reciprocity. We should move forward together, based on realistic assessment of China’s strategic intent and the EU’s interests" @JosepBorrellF Op-edhttps://t.co/3dWejxyQht
— European External Action Service - EEAS(@eu_eeas) May 18, 2020
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(Reuters) - Germans view the United States less positively since the outbreak of the coronavirus crisis while their attitudes towards China have improved, a survey showed on Monday.
In the poll of 1,000 Germans conducted by Kantar Public for the Koerber Foundation, 73% stated their opinion about the United States had deteriorated due to the current health crisis.
This contrasted with 36% of respondents who said their views about China, where the new coronavirus was discovered late last year, had become more negative due to the pandemic.
One out of four survey participants said that their opinion of China had improved. Still, 71% backed the statement that China could have been more transparent in its crisis management to slow down the spread of the virus.
The shift in attitudes means that only 37% of Germans still want closer ties with the United States, sharply down from 50% in the last survey conducted in September 2019.
This compares with 36% who are in favour of closer ties with China, clearly up from 24% in the previous pool.
"Germans' scepticism about the United States is growing, a worrying trend that should give political decision-makers on both sides of the Atlantic food for thought", said Nora Mueller, an expert on international affairs at the Koerber Foundation.
In the poll of 1,000 Germans conducted by Kantar Public for the Koerber Foundation, 73% stated their opinion about the United States had deteriorated due to the current health crisis.
This contrasted with 36% of respondents who said their views about China, where the new coronavirus was discovered late last year, had become more negative due to the pandemic.
One out of four survey participants said that their opinion of China had improved. Still, 71% backed the statement that China could have been more transparent in its crisis management to slow down the spread of the virus.
The shift in attitudes means that only 37% of Germans still want closer ties with the United States, sharply down from 50% in the last survey conducted in September 2019.
This compares with 36% who are in favour of closer ties with China, clearly up from 24% in the previous pool.
"Germans' scepticism about the United States is growing, a worrying trend that should give political decision-makers on both sides of the Atlantic food for thought", said Nora Mueller, an expert on international affairs at the Koerber Foundation.
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Some wacko in China just released a statement blaming everybody other than China for the Virus which has now killed hundreds of thousands of people. Please explain to this dope that it was the “incompetence of China”, and nothing else, that did this mass Worldwide killing!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 20, 2020
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Prvi komentar ga je zakopo. I to sa njegove pozicije 
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Zanimljiva i važna korekcija priče:
The Fable of the Chinese Whistleblower
May 18, 2020
STEPHEN S. ROACH
WEIJIAN SHAN
The more the United States struggles with the ravages of COVID-19, the more President Donald Trump and his Republican Party will blame China. The facts hardly matter, as their exploitation of the tragic case of Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang shows: If Trump and the GOP think a conspiracy theory will win votes, they will run with it.
NEW HAVEN/HONG KONG – Public opinion in the United States pins the blame for the COVID-19 pandemic squarely on China. After all, that’s where the virus started. And President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have fanned the flames by accusing China of covering up the outbreak and knowingly allowing the novel coronavirus to spread. But their supposed smoking gun, the tragic fate of the heroic whistleblower, Li Wenliang, fires only blanks.
Li, a doctor, was purportedly silenced and chastised by Chinese officials for warning on December 30, 2019, about a new virus in the Wuhan hospital where he worked. When it became evident that he was on to something serious – so serious, in fact, that it ultimately killed him – the Chinese government changed its tune and celebrated Li’s bravery. If only that had happened sooner, the argument goes, the world would have avoided this horrific pandemic.
But that’s not what happened. Li was a courageous young man. His actions, however, were relatively unremarkable. Indeed, his role has been distorted without regard for fact.
The first Chinese doctor to report a new virus was not Li, but Zhang Jixian, the 54-year-old director of the respiratory and intensive care departments at the Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, also located in Wuhan. On December 27, three days before Li’s actions, Zhang diagnosed a family of three suffering from a viral pneumonia of unknown type and immediately submitted a report to her hospital, which, in turn contacted the Wuhan Health Commission on December 29.
Contrary to the Western narrative, the initial response of local authorities was prompt, albeit not without error. Facts and dates are important here. One day later, on December 30, the Wuhan Health Commission sent an urgent warning to all medical institutions under its jurisdiction about the outbreak of a mysterious new pneumonia.
Within hours, the central government dispatched an expert working group from the National Health Commission to conduct on-site investigations and organize a potential epidemic response. The team arrived early the next morning, December 31, and by 1 p.m. that day, the Wuhan Health Commission issued a public announcement about 27 pneumonia cases of unknown origin. The warning added that there was “so far no discovery of cases of obvious human-to-human transmission or infection of medical workers” – a mistake that would haunt China.
Following standard protocols for infectious diseases, the World Health Organization was informed immediately on December 31. The WHO’s Disease Outbreak News acknowledges receiving a report that day “… of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City.” In other words, the WHO sounded a global alert only two days after Zhang’s hospital filed its initial report.
Li, an ophthalmologist, was not trained to diagnose complex respiratory diseases. He and a few other doctors probably saw the December 30 urgent notification from the Wuhan Health Commission. Out of understandable concern, they sent instant messages to friends a little before 6 p.m. that day, warning of a potential outbreak.
The message went viral. Local police then came in, having tracked Li’s warning through China’s notorious Internet surveillance. Yes, the police reprimanded Li on January 1 for spreading a rumor, and he signed a “paper of admonishment” on January 3. But this is not as disturbing as it may seem. At that point, no one, including Zhang and Li, had any insight into the true nature of the disease. Nor did the Wuhan police, who were understandably concerned about seemingly alarmist messages. But Li was not arrested or otherwise punished for rumormongering. Unfortunately, Li died of the coronavirus on February 6, the same day Zhang was officially honored as the real whistleblower.
So where is the smoking gun? After testing a stricken family for known viruses, all Zhang knew was that this ailment was different and sounded the alarm, which was enough to spur a quick response from officials at both the local and national levels.
The major early mistake – the failure to consider the possibility of human-to-human transmission – was a judgment error, which probably reflected an under-reporting of cases. Sadly, that lesson has been lost on the US, which continues to suffer from a glaring deficiency of testing and a related undercounting of infections.1
This is where the Trump administration’s conspiracy theory falls apart. COVID-19 is a novel coronavirus – it had never occurred before. Local Chinese officials were just as confused as anyone at the first signs of this outbreak. And they remained confused for some time. Why else would they have allowed street parties and holiday travel out of Wuhan prior to the Chinese Lunar New Year? When China’s national health officials did comprehend the virus’s highly contagious nature, Wuhan was shut down and sealed off, on January 23, 2020. Moreover, contrary to the Trump administration’s cover-up narrative, China did not deliberately keep US officials in the dark. The director of China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) briefed his US counterpart on January 3 – within a week of Zhang’s initial report.
While initial contact between the two CDCs was interrupted by the New Year holiday, the coordination between the two countries’ public health officials was much closer – and, as WHO Disease Outbreak documentation verifies, the time lags were considerably shorter – than is widely believed in the West.
The contrast with America’s response is striking. Whereas 27 days passed from Zhang’s initial report to the Wuhan shutdown on January 23, the US took exactly twice as long (54 days) to go from its first official diagnosis of COVID-19 (January 20) to Trump’s declaration of national emergency (March 13).
Li’s death plays a central part in the conspiracy theories that drive the anti-China discourse of Trump’s Republican Party. The “Corona Big Book,” a leaked 57-page GOP Campaign 2020 strategy document is, in fact, filled with distorted accounts of the so-called intimidation of Li. It makes no mention of Zhang.
Equally important to the GOP strategy is the charge that COVID-19 was spawned in a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Notwithstanding the rejection of such allegations by US and other Western intelligence sources, leading scientists, and Anthony Fauci, America’s foremost expert on infectious diseases, the GOP’s mendacious claims persist.
Whether it’s the lab in Wuhan or the alleged martyrdom of Li, the implications are the same: the more the US struggles with the ravages of COVID-19, the more desperate Trump and his loyalists are to blame China. In a political strategy laced with conspiracy theories, facts matter little.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-charges-against-china-covid19-alternative-facts-by-stephen-s-roach-and-weijian-shan-2020-05
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Kina je i 12. januara tvrdila da nije jasno da li postoji human to human transmisija
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
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Тад су имали већ 41 случај, и очигледно да нису никако могли да их повежу међусобно.Mór Thököly wrote:Kina je i 12. januara tvrdila da nije jasno da li postoji human to human transmisija
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
Што би се рекло, имали су карику која недостаје - оболеле без симптома.
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Mór Thököly wrote:Kina je i 12. januara tvrdila da nije jasno da li postoji human to human transmisija
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
Ne nego su konstatovali da ne znaju da li se sa lakoćom prenosi sa čoveka na čoveka. Ono, basic science, rano je, utvrđujemo, ne znamo.
Sa druge strane, Italija je svesno dozvolila da se bolest proširi po celoj Evropi, iako dobro je znala o kakvoj je zarazi reč, ali oni su na našoj strani, pa je to OK.
A u najvećoj sili demokratskog sveta uopšte ne mogu da se dogovore da li zaraznu bolest treba prevenirati nekakvim, kaži ga, merama. Sloboda, šta'š.
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jebiga ja bih zaista radje izabrao da rizikujem OVAJ virus a ne kineske dronove koji te prate po ulici.
inace danas imamo dva problematicna narativa:
jedan o hiper-kompetentnoj kini i njihovom modelu koji ukljucuje batinjanje zene koja ne nosi masku na ulici
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ovaj zaverenicki o tome da bi sve bilo ok da je nizi laborant wu-han si-djiping oprao ruke pre nego sto je pipkao pangolinov but na pijaci.
inace danas imamo dva problematicna narativa:
jedan o hiper-kompetentnoj kini i njihovom modelu koji ukljucuje batinjanje zene koja ne nosi masku na ulici
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ovaj zaverenicki o tome da bi sve bilo ok da je nizi laborant wu-han si-djiping oprao ruke pre nego sto je pipkao pangolinov but na pijaci.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Halászlé wrote:Mór Thököly wrote:Kina je i 12. januara tvrdila da nije jasno da li postoji human to human transmisija
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
Ne nego su konstatovali da ne znaju da li se sa lakoćom prenosi sa čoveka na čoveka. Ono, basic science, rano je, utvrđujemo, ne znamo.
Sa druge strane, Italija je svesno dozvolila da se bolest proširi po celoj Evropi, iako dobro je znala o kakvoj je zarazi reč, ali oni su na našoj strani, pa je to OK.
A u najvećoj sili demokratskog sveta uopšte ne mogu da se dogovore da li zaraznu bolest treba prevenirati nekakvim, kaži ga, merama. Sloboda, šta'š.
Ne, US su svetski zasrale, tu nems zbora. Razlika izmedju Italije i Kine je sto je Italija samo ostsvila otvorene granice i to je to. Kina pak je radila jos nesto...
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erős paprika wrote:jebiga ja bih zaista radje izabrao da rizikujem OVAJ virus a ne kineske dronove koji te prate po ulici.
inace danas imamo dva problematicna narativa:
jedan o hiper-kompetentnoj kini i njihovom modelu koji ukljucuje batinjanje zene koja ne nosi masku na ulici
&
ovaj zaverenicki o tome da bi sve bilo ok da je nizi laborant wu-han si-djiping oprao ruke pre nego sto je pipkao pangolinov but na pijaci.
Ako gledas iz Srbije, onaj prvi narativ od ta dva je daleko potencijalno opasniji
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pangolinov but bi bilo dobro ime za bend.
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erős paprika wrote:jebiga ja bih zaista radje izabrao da rizikujem OVAJ virus a ne kineske dronove koji te prate po ulici.
to je drugo i sa tim se slažem.
ne patim ni od kakvog fetiša Kine, samo mi malo bodu knee-jerk reakcije na ono što se percipira kao kineska nekompetencija u ranoj fazi.
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Janko Suvar wrote:pangolinov but bi bilo dobro ime za bend.
Legenda kaže da je Nušić brisao to "pangolinov but" i napisao "svastikin but", da bi narod lakše razumeo.
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Halászlé wrote:erős paprika wrote:jebiga ja bih zaista radje izabrao da rizikujem OVAJ virus a ne kineske dronove koji te prate po ulici.
to je drugo i sa tim se slažem.
ne patim ni od kakvog fetiša Kine, samo mi malo bodu knee-jerk reakcije na ono što se percipira kao kineska nekompetencija u ranoj fazi.
Није то из живца реакција на Кину као такву, него је то добро удресирана антикомунистичка пропаганда. Све и кад ураде све како треба, комунисти су све зајебали и то ништа не ваља, а запад кад се усере до лаката, то је све океј и како треба.
Тај рецидив хладног рата јебе на обе стране. Ни једни ни други не виде чисто; западњаци се строго пазе да не би рекли нешто похвално о комунистима, а комунисти прво гледају да овима не дају материјала да их олајавају ("шта ће непријатељ рећи?") па онда шта би било паметно да се уради. Што већ сто година мути воду и тамо и тамо.
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