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    Јанош Винету

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    Post by Јанош Винету Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:25 pm

    Критика Израела је сада антисемитизам. То је напросто политички опортуно јер је политичка снага Арапа у Британији никаква. Раздељени, поткупљени, морално банкротирани, време је учинило своје.
    Такође је релативно тешко за неупућене. Захтева мало укључивање мозга и више пажње, треба разлучити шта је антисемитизам а шта је критика Израела а шта је оба.

    Арапи више нису кул. 

    А богами има и Арапа антисемита, има их и код Корбина у партији. Наћи ће једног сумњивог, или екстремисту и показиваће га као циркуску мечку свима.


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    Post by zvezda je zivot Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:28 pm


    lol


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    Post by boomer crook Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:34 pm

    ćaća wrote:Jeremy Corbyn has been suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation over comments he made following the publication of the party's anti-Semitism report. https://t.co/L2JryTpP4E

    stoka


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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:53 pm

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    There were no reasonable grounds for suspending Jeremy Corbyn. His response to the report was understated and mild – so much so that it had not even produced much criticism from a notoriously hostile press. Certainly, nothing in its content could be deemed antisemitic. The suspension itself was botched, circumventing the party’s own systems which do not flag Jeremy Corbyn as having been suspended.

    At the time of writing, David Evans could not even say what party rule Corbyn was alleged to have broken with his statement – as an appointed member of staff, he refused to clarify this point last night to the party’s elected National Executive Committee. When the post-facto rationale is contrived, it will almost certainly use the catch-all of bringing the party into disrepute.

    Keir Starmer – who, despite weak protestations to the contrary, was party to the decision to suspend – has been more forthcoming about the reasoning. In his view, Corbyn’s statement cast antisemitism as a factional issue and downplayed its significance. But who could seriously claim that the issue had not been factionalised? The EHRC report itself indicates this. And it expressly allows for discussion over the scale of the problem – this, it says, is not antisemitic and should be protected speech for all Labour members.

    Corbyn’s suspension is entirely consistent with Starmer’s approach to leadership since his victory earlier this year. He has sought at every turn to marginalise the Left, and this offered the latest opportunity. Starmer saw a chance to receive a slap on the back from the Murdoch press for his statesmanship, to demonstrate his own power within the party, and to provide a public display of the degree to which Labour was “under new leadership.”

    And in order to do this, he only needed to ensure that the party’s civil war would continue in perpetuity, its mass membership would depart in their thousands, its trade union affiliates would feel betrayed and the very promises of unity he was elected upon would be rendered meaningless. That is the trade-off he has made – and everyone inside the Labour Party should know it.


    Today, on his rounds to the TV studios, Starmer portrayed this as a sensible decision. He claimed that he did not want to see a civil war – but he has very clearly been waging one: by omitting the Left from senior positions; by expelling Rebecca Long-Bailey from his shadow cabinet; by supporting the appointment of a brazenly factional general secretary; by enforcing a three-line whip on the Overseas Operations and Spy Cops Bills; by threatening MPs who dared to vote with their conscience; by abandoning commitments to the policy positions which were the basis for his mandate from members just months ago. From the beginning, it has been a war on the Left.

    Labour is, indeed, in a civil war. But only one side is fighting. The Left has thus far remained largely disorganised and timid. This must change. The reality is that Jeremy Corbyn still enjoys widespread respect and admiration across much of the party. The vast majority of its members – including many thousands who voted for Keir Starmer – were brought into its ranks under his leadership.

    They were inspired by Corbyn’s vision of a society where millions of people would not have to suffer the indignations of grinding poverty, a vision which has rarely been evoked by the Starmer leadership even as this enormous crisis and the government’s response to it has pushed so many more towards the edge.

    They were convinced, too, that there was another way of doing politics – one which could be more participatory, more democratic and more engaged with social movements outside of Westminster. This is an approach which Starmer and his team have set out dismantle in the Labour Party, reducing it again to a narrow electoral vehicle which sees its own membership as an inconvenience. Soon, they will put the final nail in this coffin by shutting down the Community Organising Unit.

    Trade unions, too, supported Jeremy Corbyn – not because of the man as an individual, but because he offered the prospect of a party which would genuinely represent the interests of workers in parliament. No more would Labour be a party which refused to repeal anti-trade union laws in government and condemned striking workers in the national press. Keir Starmer promised that this vision of the party would endure under his leadership. As with so many of his promises, it is clearer by the day that it was a lie.

    This alliance – of members and trade unions – must now stand up and insist that the attempt to erase the past five years, expressed most clearly in the suspension of Jeremy Corbyn from the party, is halted. Between them, they have funded the party machine. They have built it too, from door to door, often in miserable conditions, giving of their own time and effort with little appreciation. They must now throw a spanner in its works.

    In the context of a government which is driving millions towards penury, and many towards death, by its handling of the pandemic, and against the backdrop of a political arena which is increasingly shaped by individuals who are unashamed in their aspirations to demolish the meagre remnants of equality and democracy which have survived recent decades, the Labour leadership has decided to wage war against the Left. That cannot be allowed to stand.

    If it is, it guarantees that the coming years will see little if any meaningful opposition to the march towards the right socially, culturally and economically. Labour’s members and supporters, instead of being active in fighting for their values, will be told simply to wait for an election that takes place years down the road, in god knows what kind of wasteland the Tory government has left behind.

    Be in no doubt: if Jeremy Corbyn is driven out of the Labour Party, it will be socialism that is expelled from British politics for the foreseeable future. We must build the strongest possible alliance to ensure that this suspension is overturned.

    https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/10/jeremy-corbyns-suspension-is-about-crushing-the-left
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:45 pm

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    bye bye
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:56 pm

    Ovo je ta umerena i trezvena struja u Lejboru

    https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1227357634245865484
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:00 pm

    Jel ima inače neki bolji način da kačim tvitove?
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:02 pm

    Ima. Kliknes na one tri tackice na tvitu, pa embed tweet, pa copy code, pa pejstujes u post.


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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:02 pm

    Tri tackice u gornjem desnom uglu tvita


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    Post by ficfiric Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:07 pm

    I ako ima smajlija ili kojekakvih simbola, pobrises ih da ne bi zabagovalo


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    Uprava napolje!

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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:10 pm

    Meni se to ranije desavalo, ali vise ne.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:19 pm

    zelje wrote:Jel ima inače neki bolji način da kačim tvitove?
    Ako kacis sa mobilnog, ovo sto su ti rekli nece da radi. Moras copy twit, pa otvori brauzer, pa paste u brauzer, pa onda dalje kako ti je vec savetovano.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:31 pm

    Ja kacim sa mobilnog i radi.


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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:Ja kacim sa mobilnog i radi.

    Stavlja mi ga u Code: 
    Code:

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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:52 pm

    Ok, to se i meni desava kad kacim s kompa. Pre pejstovanja klikni na poslednje dugme desno u drugom redu.


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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:54 pm

    Sad radi. UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 24 903208043
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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:05 pm

    David Goodhart u EHRC UK - Politika i društvo  - Page 24 3579118792

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-goodhart-hostile-environment-ehrc-equalities-windrush-b1722363.html
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    Post by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:41 am

    Pazi ovog

    Gargamel wrote:joše će ispasti da i nije tako teško kritikovati Izraelce bez antisemitskih ispada.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/lisa-nandy-leads-calls-for-sanctions-on-israel-over-west-bank-annexations
    The UK must ban the import of goods from illegal settlements in the West Bank if the Israeli government presses ahead with annexation plans this week, Lisa Nandy, the shadow foreign secretary, has said.
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    Nandy’s proposal, backed by Keir Starmer, is a significant toughening of Labour’s policy on Israel. In the 2019 manifesto, the party merely called for a diplomatic solution.

    Dakle, ako Izrael sutra iz čista mira okupira teritoriju na koju nema niti je ikada imao pravo, jedina prihvatljiva i dozvoljena reakcija je bojkot uvoza proizvoda poreklom iz jednog dela te okupirane teritorije. Sve preko toga je literal Holocaust.

    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2010/10/22/in-an-important-new-development-in-the-peace-process-american-jewish-leaders-declare-that-universe-belongs-to-jewish-people-but-willing-to-make-painful-concessions-on-pluto/
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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:00 pm

    vratilo korbina u partiju. zahvaljuje se svima na podrsci.



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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:19 am

    jbt, sad me podseti da sam slusao owen johnes-a pre neki dan kako prica da je EHCR izvestaj fair and balanced ali kako je sad ipak malo preterano izbaciti korbina. vilica mi se otkacila ko u crtacima.

    lik bukvalno nista ne konta.


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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by zvezda je zivot Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:40 pm

    nisam sluso, ali sigurno konta, samo je on konstruktivan lik koji nikad nije bio dajhard korbinista a ti si se naviko na histerike i profesionalne nihiliste.


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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:08 pm

    bivanje konstruktivnim likom moze znaciti da je on je prosto liberal i stvarno veruje da nas ulazak u meritum izvestaja moze odvesti nekude (kao svi oni ljudi koji su hteli da saslusaju optuzbe za silovanje protiv asanza pa onda podvuku crtu o njegovom slucaju). ali evo ga owen pa poslusaj sam:



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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by zvezda je zivot Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:28 pm

    ti si obican shitlib! ne, ti si radlib! -- eto tako mi razgovaramo i onda dodje ejmi tiriz i kaze da je korbin najveci liberal tu.

    sta hocu da kazem: to je oven dz, on je mejnstrim aktivista i komentator, koji je u vise navrata bio sumnjicav prema korbinu, i kome je uspeh lejbora vazniji od korbina (ali nije skrenuo ni na teritoriju pola mejsona koji je u fazonu ako nisi za starmera ne razumes marksa). ne zaboravimo da je mark fiser napiso seminalni tekst o toksicnom tviteru bas povodom pravednicke  hajke na ovena dzonsa. on je dakle oduvek bio suvise liberalan za prave levicare, edzlordove i antiestablisment griftere, nema zasto da ti pada vilica


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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:54 pm

    meni je owen johnes oduvek bio super i ovo je bukvalno prvi put da procitam ovako nesto od njega, zato mi je ispala vilica. doduse ja nisam na tviteru i moguce da nemam tvoj sampling rate. znam da on nije diehard corbynite, al to mi stvarno nije bitno (ono sto mi jeste bitno je prepoznavanje situacija & having your eyes on the ball). a ovde je antisemitizam ocigledna zvrcka za zamlate, a on pocinje video razumevanjam za bol i stradalnistvo jevrejskog naroda.


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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by zvezda je zivot Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:16 pm

    ne znam ja da li je dzonsov put ispravan i delotvoran, samo kazem da je jos pocetkom 2017. bio zvezda tviter naloga liberalism_txt posto je sa stranica gardijana pozivo korbina da se povuce jer ce levica biti kriva kad ih torijevci pregaze.


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