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    Post by Janko Suvar Sat May 23, 2020 6:13 pm

    od moje neke pradavne devojke, majka je predavala marksizam, u srednjoj skoli. Mislim da se posle prebacila na sociologiju, uz neku razliku u ispitima.


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    Post by Guest Sat May 23, 2020 6:46 pm

    beatakeshi wrote:Zatiranje, do onog čikice na semaforu.

    To je Ampelmann

    I then took a risk and asked him if he believed that Ampelmann was one
    of the few contributions the GDR was allowed to make to unified Germany.

    He laughed and said, “Yes, Ampelmann and not much more, perhaps
    nothing more.”

    The Ampelmann illustration came up frequently among these former
    East Germans as we spoke of the refusal of the West Germans to consider
    the GDR’s potential contributions to unified Germany.


    Oko marksizma/društvenih nauka, nije nezanimljivo:

    The realpolitik of German unification was that the FRG had taken over
    the GDR and then gone about dismantling the latter’s institutions. Given
    this situation, there was every reason—sociologically—for the West
    Germans to “abwickeln” the cultural, artistic, and knowledge-producing
    institutions of the GDR.

    Indeed, not one of the many members of the Academy with whom I spoke
    uttered anything approximating a sense of being “set free” by the closure of
    the Academy
    . Ironically, they did feel “superfluous” to the West Germans
    scientists and academics who had been sent to evaluate them. In their view,
    these panels did not evaluate their work and instead functioned as the official
    basis for the termination of two-thirds of the Academy’s employees.
    Approximately one-third of the Academy’s scientists and scholars were
    offered positions, typically two-year contracts, at universities or research
    institutes.


    ...
    Another person I re-interviewed, a historian from the Academy who was
    able to continue on in his career, pointedly said to me, “As you are a
    sociologist interested in our collective identity, let me be clear: The
    Abwicklung is not an interpretation or social construction of reality. It is a
    matter of fact that the West Germans took over the GDR. This is not open
    to discussion; it is what happened. For instance, as the Academy came to its
    end as part of the terms in the unification treaty, our workgroups were
    broken up. This dismissal of many of those at my institute and the scattering
    of others to various institutes was detrimental for our intellectual careers. To
    our regret, we were all treated as individuals by the Wissenschaftsrat process—
    some kindly, many unfairly and rudely.”

    “It is most important to point out that we from the East were socialized
    to do research collaboratively in groups. . . When this work sharing arrangement
    we had at the Academy came to an end, those of us who received
    contracts had to adapt quickly to the Western model of the individual
    competitive scientist.”
    “I personally cannot complain because I was offered a good position in a
    West Berlin institute and accorded respect and intellectual freedom by my
    supervisors and colleagues. My supervisor said to me, ‘Please carry on the
    research you were doing.’”
    “Some of my work from GDR times was well regarded among the West
    Germans and I’m not an abrasive person—this was critical, I think, to my
    survival.
    However, many good people I know were not as fortunate as I
    have been. The important point, to say it again, is that the GDR was
    brought to an end as a matter of policy. A relatively small number of
    individual academics and scientists were folded into, and even welcomed
    into, the West Germany system.”
    “By the way, I believe that the workers suffered greater economic hardships
    and displacements than did the intellectual class. I’m sure you know
    about the massive industrial and manufacturing plant closings, the
    Treuhand’s activities, and the resultant high unemployment rates which
    persist to this day.”
    ...

    I asked everyone at some point in these 2014 interviews, “Do you know
    how many were dismissed from the Academy and the GDR universities?”
    Here is a summary of their responses.

    None knew of any studies or data sources amenable to investigating this
    question of what happened to those two-thirds working at the Academy
    who were dismissed, those let go from East German universities, and various
    GDR media institutions such as radio, television, and print. They all
    reported with certainty that about one-third of those working at The
    Academy of Sciences were offered contracts in 1991 or shortly thereafter
    to carry on their careers in West German institutions. The remaining
    two-thirds were left with what in their eyes were second- and third-choice
    options
    . One was to enter into ABM (Arbeitsmaßnahmen), a program for
    the unemployed; another was to enroll in one of the so-called integration
    programs, where the loosely conceived idea was to allow GDR scholars,
    academics, and scientists to apprentice—at low pay and typically low or
    ambiguous status—with West German academics for a period of time as a
    sort of retraining and acclimation or acculturation program. Others, some
    of whom were either highly sought after by colleagues in other nations, or
    disgusted at their treatment by West Germans, or faced accusations
    of collaboration with the Stasi, emigrated to find work and a new life.
    A few took up the daunting challenge of beginning their own businesses.
    Some unknown numbers—probably a tiny minority—committed suicide
    (most of those I interviewed in July 2014 had a tale of someone who had
    taken their life). Still others felt forced into early retirement or denied
    scientific or governmental positions because they were formally accused of
    moral turpitude for in some manner collaborating with the Stasi. Those with
    various technical skills found work in private industry; others, typically those
    with good spoken and written German language skills and deft at logical
    thinking and social interaction, found work in business offices as low-level
    managers or sold insurance.13 And some drove taxicabs to earn a living.
    A historian who was positively evaluated by the Wissenschaftsrat that
    reviewed his Academy institute reported, “I felt treated fairly by the
    Wissenschaftsrat, but disadvantaged when I had to compete for academic
    positions. A central reason was that I was in competition with the
    oversupply of West German PhDs from the FRG. East Germany presented
    an unprecedented opportunity for this oversupply of West Germans to
    receive positions in former GDR universities and become full professors—
    or at least receive full academic appointments. They would then establish
    their careers here in the East and attempt to return to a more prestigious
    university in the original FRG states.”
    “It was a very uneven process and it is difficult to generalize for you
    except to say that we East Germans were typically discriminated against in
    our pursuit of career opportunities.”
    “Can you give me some examples or criteria of this discrimination?” I
    asked him.
    “Well, a critical factor is that we, GDR academics, had no social networks
    and, therefore, no power to access these positions. The West Germans of
    course had the networks and, therefore, the power to control to a great
    extent who would receive these jobs. For instance, if a professor supervises a
    student’s doctoral studies he, this professor, has an interest regarding his
    prestige in seeing to it that the student finds a good academic position. To
    illustrate, I was for a time at Bielefeld [University] and I can assure you that
    it was unthinkable that an East German could rise to a full professorship.
    The general attitude there was that we East Germans were ‘rural’ and more
    or less primitive. This was subtle, not openly displayed and not all West
    German academics shared this view—some did not know they held it. They
    just exhibited it in their expressions and conduct.”
    “Nonetheless, I count myself as one of the fortunate ones who was able
    to have an academic career after the Academy was closed. In this moment,
    however, looking back, in some ways it might have been better if I had
    simply been dismissed like so many of my colleagues at the Academy. It has
    been a very hard twenty plus years in the FRG academic system.”
    A sociologist recounted her institute's unpleasant treatment when visited
    by the Wissenschaftsrat evaluation panel as if this incident had occurred
    recently rather than twenty-four years in the past.
    “I was a practicing sociologist, and still this panel treated me as if I was a
    naïve or somewhat ignorant schoolgirl, asking questions as if I did not know
    the basic principles of sociology. They also showed no collegiality towards
    my fellow Academy colleagues. It was all top-down, ‘We West German
    sociologists know and you East Germans do not know’—that type of
    situation. And then, to my surprise, they gave several of us a positive
    evaluation and I was given a contract to come to this university, where
    I’ve survived numerous contract renewals over the past two decades.”
    The academic couple mentioned above gave this account of their adaptation
    to the German capitalist economy, “The Turn arrived when we were
    mature professionals [in their thirties], and we both set out to re-orient
    ourselves to the new economic reality. In the GDR we had received strong
    technical training, and an education grounded in systems thinking, which
    we felt encouraged independent thought and action. . . On the other hand,
    . . . we had limitations: . . . insufficient Western European language skills,
    and a lack of . . . personal computer skills and knowledge of how to engage
    in what we call self-marketing.”
    “We felt professionally on a par [with West Germans] and were generally
    treated well by western colleagues. . . We observed and experienced first
    hand that [East Germans] could find employment on the basis of sound
    scientific-technical, medical or linguistic skills. However, it would be in a
    low-paying entry-level position, even if you had many years of professional
    experience.”
    “Interestingly, we also met West Berlin or West German colleagues who
    felt disadvantaged because of . . . the sudden . . . flood of technically and
    otherwise competent East Germans who could be hired at low wages.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 23, 2020 7:15 pm

    Jbg, jeste bio "hladni" rat. Ali i hladni rat je nekakav rat...
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    Post by Guest Sat May 23, 2020 8:42 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:od moje neke pradavne devojke, majka je predavala marksizam, u srednjoj skoli. Mislim da se posle prebacila na sociologiju, uz neku razliku u ispitima.

    meni je marksizam predavao zoran avramović

    samo jedan u nizu apsurda sa kojima sam bio suočen tokom detinjstva, dečaštva i mladosti, što reče tolstoj
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 23, 2020 9:02 pm

    posle je postao obožavalac Crnjanskog...tako da sve se slaže
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    Post by Guest Sat May 23, 2020 9:37 pm

    U Rusiji je marksizam prešaltovan u "kulturologiju" tokom 90ih, a delovi tog akademskog kadra su se posle prešaltali na "geopolitiku".
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 23, 2020 9:41 pm

    Bendegúz Somogyi wrote:U Rusiji je marksizam prešaltovan u "kulturologiju" tokom 90ih, a delovi tog akademskog kadra su se posle prešaltali na "geopolitiku".

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    ali je jednako prirodno, pogotovu za Rusiju. Mislim, nije verovatno direktno vezano, ali ruska geopolitika je u velikoj meri sovjetska, pričali smo o tome Na današnji dan - Page 14 1399639816
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    Post by Guest Sat May 23, 2020 10:20 pm

    Da, s tim da je kod njih to baš imalo i dobar zamah birokratizma: "dajmo im nešto da rade u novim okolnostima". I ovi uzeli da rade, adaptirali se na tržištu rada, stekli nove skilove i počeli da produkuju 1 geopolitiku ofarbanu u evroazijanizam.

    Karikiram, ali ne previše.
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    Post by kondo Sat May 23, 2020 10:24 pm

    Talason wrote:

    meni je marksizam predavao zoran avramović

    samo jedan u nizu apsurda sa kojima sam bio suočen tokom detinjstva, dečaštva i mladosti, što reče tolstoj


    ja sam služio vojsku sa mirkom puzovićem.

    svakom svoje.


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    Post by паће Sat May 23, 2020 11:02 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:posle je postao obožavalac Crnjanskog...tako da sve se slaže

    Ко, Толстој? :љ


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    Post by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:36 pm

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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:43 pm

    samo su ovi sto mu objasnjavaju veci retardi od njega


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    Post by beatakeshi Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:32 pm

    Bez uvrede, ali...
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:34 pm

    ali?


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:41 pm

    pa reci jeboga ti Na današnji dan - Page 14 1399639816 mozes reci ako mislis da mi je glupa ova provokacija, mnogo je mrtva atmosfera na forumu, svbako moze da kaze sta oce, nema nikakvog vredjanja.


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    Post by beatakeshi Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:43 pm

    Kako da ti kažem, đukanovićevska (mislim na Bizona).
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    Post by Guest Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:09 pm

    Evo Šuvare, pozdrav od predsednika

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    Vidovdan je jedan od onih praznika, koje smo, tokom istorije, činili velikim, i kada smo gubili i dobijali, i kada smo činili velike i časne stvari, i, mnogo ređe, nečasne.

    Vidovdan je prerastao mit i postao istorija, naša istorija, teška i previše krvava. Ona koje danas nemamo razloga da se stidimo, naprotiv, ali još manje imamo pravo da koristimo Vidovdan kako bismo obmanjivali buduća pokoljenja.

    I ništa bolje, i ništa više, od Vidovdana, ne pokazuje koliko je stvaranje istorije i budućnosti u našim rukama, koliko zavisi od nas i onoga šta, kako i koliko radimo.

    Zato je važno da, baš danas, još jednom pokažemo koliko smo spremni da svoju zemlju sačuvamo, odbranimo od svakog zla, i načinimo je velikom, poštovanom, i to na zemlji, a ne samo na nebu. Ubeđen da smo za to sposobni, verujući u Srbiju, u svakog čoveka i ženu u njoj, čestitam vam Vidovdan, naš najvažniji dan, dan koji će postojati dok je Srba i Srbije!
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:11 pm

    Dubravka Stojanovic da mu vrati sifru od Instagrama


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:14 pm

    beatakeshi wrote:Kako da ti kažem, đukanovićevska (mislim na Bizona).
    vidis izdrzao je moj nezni ego, nisi morao da brines da l cu se uvredim.


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:45 pm

    beatakeshi wrote:Kako da ti kažem, đukanovićevska (mislim na Bizona).




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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:14 am

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    Tko je nama Reihl-Kir?

    Na današnji dan 1991. godine u Tenji je ubijen Josip Tvrtko Reihl-Kir, tadašnji načelnik osječke policije. Ubijen je jer je htio sprečiti rat. Ubijen je jer dijalogom htio posredovati mir između srpskog i hrvatskog naroda, bez imalo sebičnosti, bez fige u džepu, motiviran mirotvorstvom i uvjeren da se pregovorima te na miran način može razriješiti tinjajući sukob, koji se nakon njegovog brutalnog ubojstva pretvorio u brutalan rat.

    Oni koje je njegovo mirotvorstvo smetalo – zato što je imalo ozbiljnije šanse da bude uspješno - dali su nalog za njegovo smaknuće.

    I tko je nama danas, 29 godina otkad ga više nema, Reihl-Kir? To pitanje smo prije 10 godina postavili javnosti, kada smo otvorili izložbu „Tko je tebi Reihl-Kir?“ čime smo po prvi put, zajedno s Mirovnim inštitutom iz Ljubljane, Biroom za ljudska prava iz Tuzle i Centrom za kulturnu dekontaminaciju iz Beograda javno htjeli obilježavati sjećanje na heroja na nišanu. Prema riječima autorice izložbe, Tanje Simić Berclaz, izložba je "je način odavanja poštovanja mirovnjaku i čovjeku koji je zaista vjerovao da je potrebniji svojoj zemlji i svojim sugrađanima nego što je njegov život bio potreban njegovoj obitelji."

    Zašto i na koji način se ovo ubojstvo dogodilo te kakve su bile posljedice ove smrti na preko dvadeset milijuna ljudi poznato je, ali "ko je bio Josip Tvrtko Reihl-Kir, intimno, i da li je ličio na nas, koji se nismo usudili da svoje živote položimo u odbranu izgubljenog? Šta ga je gonilo? Kakva je vera, kakva je strast za bližnjega, koja (ponekog) čoveka tako žestoko šiba napred, i kad mu nasilna smrt, bez maske, gleda pravo u oči?"

    Svojim mirotvorstvom i odlučnim djelovanjem, svim prijetećim preprekama unatoč koje su visile nad njime kao mač nad glavom, zadužio je sve nas. Zadužio nas je da se svojim djelovanjem uvijek borimo za solidarnost, za pravdu, za obespravljene, za mir. Sjećanje na Reihla-Kira nije samo bitno da se sjetimo tog mirotvorca i njegovog djelovanja prije gotovo trideset godina. Sjećanje na njega shvaćamo kao motivaciju i inspiraciju da se zalažemo za budućnost za koji su se zalagali on i mirotvorci poput njega.



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