Severna Makedonija

Filipenko wrote:Naravno da neće odustati. Nakon ove velike pobede, proglasiće da je narod podržao sa 99% "za" put u EU i Nato i da to daje legitimitet da se nastavi sa politikom vlade koja obezbeđuje evropsku perspektivu. Da je imao 50%+1 samo bi konstatovao da je referendum uspeo i da se država od sada zove Severna Makedonija, te da će je uskoro primiti u EU, Nato, Galaktičku Imperiju i Transkosmički Savet.

KinderLad wrote:
Hvala. Inače mislim da Srbija generalno ne treba da se svrstava nešto mnogo blisko uz VMRO bez neke ne znam kakve potrebe. Videli smo uostalom kakvi se tu likovi muvaju oko te stranke, daleko neprijatnija ekipa od ovih

KinderLad wrote:

Zuper wrote:

Vidis kako te emocije vode.
Mi bas treba danas da stanemo iz VMRO jer je to Makedonija oduvek.

Nema ništa oduvek i zauvek. Ne vode me emocije, nego nešto drugo, previše sam fašova video na tim njihovim protestima, a i ti bi mogao da pogledaš ponovo, prepoznaćeš neke simbole i sa...zapdnih strana

Elem

Ахмети: Македонија има поважни прашања од предвремени парламентарни избори
Денешниот ден е важен за сите граѓани, за институциите и за демократијата. Денеска демонстриравме демократија, процес за интеграција во НАТО.
Овој процес значи реформи, затворање на прашањето со Грција, економски прогрес. Денес кажуваме дека Собранието треба да ја донесе одлуката за овој процес. И ние ќе гласаме за таа одлука. На изброите во 2016 –та година кажавме дека сме за НАТО и ЕУ, и тоа го кажаа сите политички партии, затоа што друга алтернатива нема.
Референдумот беше само консултативен, Македонија има многу поважни прашања отколку предвремени парламентарни избори.

Zuper wrote:

KinderLad wrote:
Hvala. Inače mislim da Srbija generalno ne treba da se svrstava nešto mnogo blisko uz VMRO bez neke ne znam kakve potrebe. Videli smo uostalom kakvi se tu likovi muvaju oko te stranke, daleko neprijatnija ekipa od ovih

Vidis kako te emocije vode.
Mi bas treba danas da stanemo iz VMRO jer je to Makedonija oduvek.

https://www.ft.com/content/62bae1a2-c4c3-11e8-8670-c5353379f7c2

Macedonian voters shun referendum on name change
A yes vote would pave way for Skopje’s entry into both EU and Nato


An attempt to integrate the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia more closely into the west was struggling on Sunday, as hundreds of thousands of voters stayed away from a crucial referendum on changing the country’s name.

Foreign leaders including German chancellor Angela Merkel and US defence secretary Jim Mattis have all visited the Balkan state in recent weeks, seeking to persuade voters to pave the way for Macedonia’s entry into both the EU and Nato.

Greece struck a provisional agreement with Macedonia in July to withdraw Athens’ veto on its neighbour’s progress towards membership of both organisations, on the condition that it changed its name to “Republic of North Macedonia”.As part of the deal to defuse the three decade-long dispute, Skopje agreed the name change to affirm that it did not imply a claim to Greek territory, while Athens officially recognised the Macedonian language and ethnicity.

But as of 5pm local time, only 29 per cent of the 1.8m eligible voters had taken part, following calls for a boycott from the country’s conservative opposition party and president Gjorge Ivanov. “We want to be in the EU and Nato, but on our terms,” said Vladimir Kavadarkov, one of the leaders of a demonstration against the proposals that took place near a giant statue of Alexander the Great.“We don’t want to come in with our heads bowed through a back door, we want to stand tall and come in through the front.”

While the referendum is consultative, rather than legally binding, a conclusive result would make it easier for the country’s government to push the opposition to back the constitutional amendments necessary for the name change to go through.

Macedonia has been plagued by political crisis, corruption, and mass emigration in the decade since Greece blocked its Nato accession at the 2008 summit in Bucharest.

But by mid-afternoon, a dance club-turned polling station in the centre of Skopje was relatively quiet, with people trickling in and out and voting without a wait.“I voted for a better future,” said Goran Popovski, 50. “I don’t agree with the name change, but I voted for Nato and the EU and I don’t think I gave up that much.”“Our government has to have courage to proceed with this,” even if the turnout is not high enough, added Dori Kimovala, a lawyer who voted Yes. “I am worried because most people are led by emotion on this issue.”

Nevertheless David Stephenson, a political consultant and former US diplomat, said the referendum could have legitimacy with as few as 600,000 votes — a third of those eligible to take part.

He said that since the country narrowly averted a civil war in 2001, the biggest number of votes for a single candidate or issue had been 550,000 in 2004: “If the referendum receives more votes than that, it can be a unifying factor.”

Bungee jump wrote:

KinderLad wrote:

Nema ništa oduvek i zauvek. Ne vode me emocije, nego nešto drugo, previše sam fašova video na tim njihovim protestima, a i ti bi mogao da pogledaš ponovo, prepoznaćeš neke simbole i sa...zapdnih strana

Elem

Ahmeti u svom stilu, jedno kaze, drugo misli i trece radi. Naravno, ne bi odmah izbore. Zna on da je ovde igra izmedju VMRO i SDSM, pa ceka da ucari u fajtu.

Zuper wrote:Je l' u hrvatskoj pravasi imaju 30%+?
Po cemu je to hdz bolji? A snjime se saradjuje?
Pri cemu to nije za poredjenje zbog devedesetih.
Ovo je jedinstvena prilika da Srbija stane kao podrzavalac makedonskog naroda.

He said that since the country narrowly averted a civil war in 2001, the biggest number of votes for a single candidate or issue had been 550,000 in 2004: “If the referendum receives more votes than that, it can be a unifying factor.”

KinderLad wrote:

Zuper wrote:Je l' u hrvatskoj pravasi imaju 30%+?
Po cemu je to hdz bolji? A snjime se saradjuje?
Pri cemu to nije za poredjenje zbog devedesetih.
Ovo je jedinstvena prilika da Srbija stane kao podrzavalac makedonskog naroda.

Ama mi smo njih priznali pod ustavnim imenom, i jezik i naciju. Ja sam za to da im se da i autokefalnost. I šta više? To je što se "naroda" tiče. Ovo je nešto drugo.

Zuper wrote:
Ovo je jedinstvena prilika da Srbija stane kao podrzavalac makedonskog naroda.

William Murderface wrote:

Zuper wrote:

Ti si mi odnekud poznat.

Aj potrudi se da jos malo spekulises o identitetu drugih forumasa. Make my day.