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Post by bela maca on Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:02 am

jeste, već stigao, i već se plašim kakav će prevod biti
ali kolko znam a možda grešim, engleski prevod će se pojaviti tek u septembru, a ne čeka mi se toliko
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Post by plachkica on Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:07 am

Kod prevoda najveći problem je prevod sa engleskog, nešto manje sa španskog, sa ostalih jezika
prevodi su korektni, bar koliko sam ja ukačila.
I ja sam uzela Pokoravanje, ali mora sačekati svoj red.
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Post by Indy on Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:25 am

bela maca wrote: engleski prevod će se pojaviti tek u septembru


Super, taman negde da planiram da to čitam u 2016, inshallah.




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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:50 pm

Nabavih Americke Bogove.
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Post by plachkica on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:33 pm

Pročitala Uelbeka.
Da književnost nije refleksija stvarnosti, sveta koji nas okružuje, i način na koji se prodaju ideje, ovo bi bio dobar roman.
Uelbek lepo piše, prevodilac je čak uspeo i da prenese (ili svojim prevodom napravi) atmosferičnost romana (a to je ono što, po mom mišljenju, bolno fali domaćoj prevodilačkoj književnosti, sposobnost da se prenese atmosfera).
Probaću da se ne bavim prepričavanjem zarad onih koji bi da roman pročitaju.

Iznenadila me je količina mizoginije na početku, kasnije ona nestaje, ne zbog toga što se junak romana promenio, već zbog toga što iz javnog života kome junak prisustvuje (uglavnom kao posmatrač) nestaje žena. One su pokorene, dobrovoljno, kako nam junak nagoveštava (ili su se iselile, pod prisilom roditelja).
Izuzeci su prostitutke, koje su tom, novom muškom islamskom, svetu neophodne.
MB na vlast ne dolazi zato što je broj islamske populacije narastao dovoljno, već zato što je levica, u tom drugom krugu sklopila sporazum o zajeničkom glasanju za kandidata MB. I tu sad sledi ono što je meni zanimljivo, MB traži kontrolu nad obrazovanjem, i levica je daje. Koliko ja znam, a priznajem da ne znam mnogo, jedan od osnovnih ideala levice, bilo gde u svetu, jeste obavezno i dostupno obrazovanje svima. Levica, Uelbekova, u Francuskoj gazi to svoje načelo, i pristaje i čak dobrovoljno učestvuje u gaženju jednog od svojih osnovnih ideala. (Obavezno obrazovanje je do 12te godine života, kasnije je dostupno samo bogatima i izuzetno nadarenima.) Monarhija Saudijske Arabije finansira vodeće univerzitete i veoma veliki novac izdvaja za plate zaposlenih, koji, da bi radili kao profesori, moraju da prime islam.
Desnicom, u vidu Marine Le Pen, Uelbek se nije preterano bavio, ali je uradio jednu finu stvar, napravio je Identitetske pokrete, koji su fašistička desnica, kao otklon od male Mari. Svi vodeći članovi tih pokreta, koji nisu okrvavili ruke pozivajući na nasilje, završili su pri samom vrhu organizacije MB.
Distribucionizam, kao vid ekomomskog uređenja, a nastao pod uticajem Čestertona i Beloka, jeste ekomomska filizofija koju će MB pokušati da uvedu. Porodica je glavna ćelija ovog sistema, radnik je i vlasnik sredstava za rad, mali, porodični subjekti se udružuju u velike...to je tačka spajanja levice i MB.
Upadljiva je nezainteresovanost junaka za bilo šta što se oko njega dešava. On pije, jede i jebe, kad ima šta. Proživljava Usimansovog junaka i objašnjava ga. Zahvaljujući tome njemu će biti pružena prilika.
 
Uelbek dobro piše, ali se plašim onoga što piše, jer on nije neki marginalni Kecmanović čije će ideje ostati zapakovane u isto tako marginalnoj, jezički ograničenoj sredini.

edit: Nadam se da sam dobro ubila spojler, meni prijazuje ceo tekst, ako nisam, prvi ko vidi, a ima mogućnost da to promeni, nek uradi. Koristila sam tag [hide]
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Post by Indy on Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:22 pm

Tag treba da bude [spoiler].

Hvala na prikazu.


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Post by bela maca on Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:48 am

završila sam i ja roman. meni se svideo.
jedino bih se osvrnula na mizoginiju - nje u romanu ima onoliko koliko je ima u francuskom (tj zapadnom) društvu. niti ima preterane islamofobije, a o govoru mržnje (što se može pročitati u nekim domaćim najavama) tek nema govora.
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Post by ReMix on Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:56 am

Da li je neko čitao Tvrtka Jakovinu?  Da li je moguće kupiti njegove knjige u BG ili NS? Zanima me Trenuci katarze: prijelomni događaji XX. stoljeća



Edit: Tek sad sam primetio da u naslovu stoji "XX.", da li je ovo razlika u SR i HR pravopisu?
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Post by паће on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:32 am

Ваљда су се повели за Америма, који су одржали XXIIIrd зимску олимпијаду...


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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:16 pm

Kormak Makarti- Put.

Stvarno, Fokner za nase doba

(Posle novi Uelbek- kud svi Turci , tu i mali Suvar)
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Post by William Murderface on Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:12 pm

Šuvar i varivo wrote:Kormak Makarti- Put.

Stvarno, Fokner za nase doba

(Posle novi Uelbek- kud svi Turci , tu i mali Suvar)


Opet ti o Bazdulju, šovinisto!


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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:23 pm

pomeso sam dijakriticki znak, nasilnice

(muz ti je bosnjak i imas male sise!)
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Post by William Murderface on Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:50 pm

tzv.siseless


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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:30 pm

Isprobavam nesto

Spoiler:
Suvar haker
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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:42 pm

Ne znam gde bih stavio ovo drugo, pa cu ovde... Mark Secerberg od fejsbusa je ovu godinu posvetio citanju knjiga i napravio grupu na fejsu (logicno) gde se moze pratiti i diskutovati . 

Fascinantno mi je sta cita , u smislu da se lozim na te genije modernog doba (osobito na Elona Muska.) E sad same knige koje izabrao su sokantno dosadne i ne deluju kao nesto sto bih ja ikad citao. Osim toga, knjige uopste ne deluje kao da su zabavne za citanje , a i (mada ne znam ni sta hocu  da kazem s ovim) ne deluje kao nesto sto bi intelektualac citao.

Spisak knjiga :

1.Our seventh book is Rational Ritual by Michael Chwe.
2.Our sixth book is The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn
3. Our fifth book is Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull
4.Our fourth book is On Immunity by Eula Biss.
5.Our third book is Gang Leader for a Day by Sudhir Venkatesh.
6.Our second book is The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker. (jedina koju sam zapravo citao)
7.Our first book will be The End of Power by Moisés Naím.

Stavljam u spojler , jer je dugacko :

Spoiler:
On knjige komentarise ovako (Kao robot koji se prvi put susreo sa konceptom citanja
My next book for A Year of Books is Rational Ritual by Michael Chwe.
The book is about the concept of "common knowledge" and how people process the world not only based on what we personally know, but what we know other people know and our shared knowledge as well.
This is an important idea for designing social media, as we often face tradeoffs between creating personalized experiences for each individual and crafting universal experiences for everyone. I'm looking forward to exploring this further.


My next book for A Year of Books is The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn.
It's a history of science book that explores the question of whether science and technology make consistent forward progress or whether progress comes in bursts related to other social forces.
I tend to think that science is a consistent force for good in the world. I think we'd all be better off if we invested more in science and acted on the results of research. I'm excited to explore this theme further.

My next book for A Year of Books is Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull.
This book is written by the founder of Pixar and is about his experience building a culture that fosters creativity.
His theory is that people are fundamentally creative, but many forces stand in the way of people being able to do their best work.
I love reading first-hand accounts about how people build great companies like Pixar and nurture innovation and creativity. This should be inspiring to anyone looking to do the same, and hopefully there will be lessons we can apply to connecting the world!


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Post by ostap bender on Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:51 pm

zamro je nama citalacki klub 


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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:16 pm

pa resili ste da je Crnjanski mrtav pesnik sta tu ima dalje se prica
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Post by ostap bender on Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:41 pm

pesnik nikako.


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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:51 pm

primetio sam da je to konsenzus na topiku : svi volite Crnjanskog pesnika, dosadnjikav vam je prozaist, a kao polemicar je fasista.

Ovo poslednje je svakako tacno, ja nikako nisam za to "prevrednovanje" tekstova iz Ideja ,sto hoce Avramovic i jos neki (gori).

Sad ona Vladusiceva disertacije je naravno podlozna diskusiji, ali je verovatno najuspelije poglavlje o Romanu o Londonu- mislim da ne stoji Sokoloviceva kritika, bas oko toga-ima momenata u Romanu o Londonu, kad se odjednom pojavi sumtraista tu ,u svem tom postmodernom pesimizmu.

(Odma da priznam, meni su Hipberborejci, bili verovatno najsnaznije citalacko iskustvo ikad.. )
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Post by plachkica on Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:40 pm

Huan Viljoro "Svedok"

Citat koji me već par dana proganja:
"Frančesko je rođen u Torinu i jednom je pomislio da se tamo vrati, ali ga je zaustavila presudna činjenica: u Italiji su samo najmoćniji mogli da budu korumpirani; u Meksiku je, međutim, svako mogao da zaobiđe pravila."
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Post by namerna prolaznica on Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:57 pm

svratila danas u borhesovu biblioteku.
zanimljivo, recimo, deo space&time.


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Post by namerna prolaznica on Mon May 04, 2015 12:31 pm

listam dalje: izdanja MET-a, Muzeja Dž. P. Getija i još po nešto. klik


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Post by William Murderface on Wed May 20, 2015 11:24 pm

The CIA has released a list of books found in Osama Bin Laden’s Pakistan compound.
His reading list includes two novels by Noam Chomsky, the 9/11 truther novel The New Pearl Harbor and an online article questioning if the illuminati were behind the attacks. It also contained articles related to Project MKULTRA, the CIA’s secretive behaviour modification programme.
As well as English language texts, the CIA also found documents relating to France’s economy and society.
We’ve reproduced the list of 39 books below.


The 2030 Spike by Colin Mason
A Brief Guide to Understanding Islam by I. A. Ibrahim
America’s Strategic Blunders by Willard Matthias
America’s “War on Terrorism” by Michel Chossudovsky
Al-Qaeda’s Online Media Strategies: From Abu Reuter to Irhabi 007 by Hanna Rogan
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast
The Best Enemy Money Can Buy by Anthony Sutton
Black Box Voting, Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century by Bev Harris
Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier
Bounding the Global War on Terror by Jeffrey Record
Checking Iran’s Nuclear Ambitions by Henry Sokolski and Patrick Clawson
Christianity and Islam in Spain 756-1031 A.D. by C. R. Haines
Civil Democratic Islam: Partners, Resources, and Strategies by Cheryl Benard
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins
Conspirators’ Hierarchy: The Committee of 300 by John Coleman
Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
Fortifying Pakistan: The Role of U.S. Internal Security Assistance (only the book’s introduction) by C. Christine Fair and Peter Chalk
Guerilla Air Defense: Antiaircraft Weapons and Techniques for Guerilla Forces by James Crabtree
Handbook of International Law by Anthony Aust
Hegemony or Survival: America’s Quest for Global Dominance by Noam Chomsky
Imperial Hubris by Michael Scheuer
In Pursuit of Allah’s Pleasure by Asim Abdul Maajid, Esaam-ud-Deen and Dr. Naahah Ibrahim
International Relations Theory and the Asia-Pacific by John Ikenberry and Michael Mastandano
Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II by William Blum
Military Intelligence Blunders by John Hughes-Wilson
Project MKULTRA, the CIA’s program of research in behavioral modification. Joint hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, United States Senate, Ninety-fifth Congress, first session, August 3, 1977. United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence.
Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies by Noam Chomsky
New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 by David Ray Griffin
New Political Religions, or Analysis of Modern Terrorism by Barry Cooper
Obama’s Wars by Bob Woodward
Oxford History of Modern War by Charles Townsend
The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy
Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower by William Blum
The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly Hall (1928)
Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
The Taking of America 1-2-3 by Richard Sprague
Unfinished Business, U.S. Overseas Military Presence in the 21st Century by Michael O’Hanlon
The U.S. and Vietnam 1787-1941 by Robert Hopkins Miller
“Website Claims Steve Jackson Games Foretold 9/11,” article posted on ICV2.com (this file contained only a single saved web page)


Note: The final item was included in the CIA list under the subheading “English language books” despite not appearing to be a book.


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Post by Indy on Thu May 21, 2015 2:24 am

Meni je ovo vrh

A Brief Guide to Understanding Islam


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Post by William Murderface on Thu May 21, 2015 9:37 am


I meni!

Zapravo, tačno vidiš iz njegove biblioteke koliko njegova ideologija ima veze sa islamom - vrlo malo.


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