Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

    Rat u Ukrajini

    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:00 am

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 20220315
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:40 am

    Del Cap wrote:Dobar je Maduro


    Uncle Nick
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Guest Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:49 am

    Ovo je onako malo informerovski zaokret, rekao bih. Ezra, Nikol, dajte mi 3.000 reči o venecuelanskom čudu. O čemu, šefe?...
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:04 am

    Notxor wrote:da li je ovo realno?



    (idem da spavam u nadi da biden neće poslušati twiteraše "eksperte" i neće zatvoriti nebo iznad ukrajine. ni on ni stoltenberg)

    Vrv jeste, Saudi i Emirati su i pre 7-8 dana odbili da po američkoj molbi/zahtevu povećaju proizvodnju kako bi nadomestili očekivane efekte smanjenja ponude ruske nafte na rast cena. Emirati su, mislim, bili i uzdržani u UN u osudi Rusije. Bole ih kurci, ionako ne vole Bajdena, raduju se da vide da demokrate puknu na izborima najesen, a visoka cena nafte dobro dođe u tom smislu, plus što će njima džepovi biti puni love, naravno. Videćemo da li će se šta menjati.
    Sotir

    Posts : 8696
    Join date : 2016-10-04

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Sotir Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:04 am

    Од ових Мигова 29 направише шпанску серију, сваки дан нови обрт. При чему реално не праве толику разлику. То су старији модели, као наши 99е. Ништа бољи ако не и лошији од украјинских, а сигурно лошији од Су- 27. А оба немају шансе против руских Су-35 и руске ПВО. При чему су ти чисти ловци, нису за нападе на земљу.
    Веће користи има слање ракета Стингер и Џавелин него ово, при чему то свакодневно шаљу. А од овога испаде шпанска серија.
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:34 am

    Poletanje sa neutralnog kosova bi bila vrh
    Migova

    To znaci dve stvari: da je un mrtav, a pod dva da rusi nikada nije ni trebalo da napuste pristinski aerodrom
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:56 am

    Ceo niz

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388?t=usRgN_NzjOZRwPu6qWawPg&s=19
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:56 am

    German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock on Tuesday justified Berlin’s decision not to ban Russian oil imports in retaliation for the invasion of Ukraine, saying it would plunge Germany into chaos in a win rather than a loss for the Kremlin.

    If Germany felt banning those imports would end the war, it would do so, Baerbock said. But it did not.

    Meanwhile, Germany was dependent on Russia for a third of its oil imports - a much higher dependency than the United States, which earlier in the day announced a ban on Russian oil imports.

    “If we stopped these straight away, then tomorrow we would not be able to move in Germany anymore,” Baerbock told the online television channel of newspaper Bild, adding that essential workers like teachers and nurses would not be able to get to work and there might be electricity outages.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-germany-oilimports/german-ban-on-russian-oil-imports-would-cause-chaos-minister-idUSL5N2VB5A6
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:31 am

    Čini mi se da je ovaj deo izjave Zelenskog od juče nekako promakao:


    According to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in the future Ukraine must have a collective security agreement with all its neighbors and with the participation of the world’s leading countries - the United States, France, Germany and Turkey, with which our country borders in the Black Sea.

    "These will be guarantees not only for Ukraine. These will be guarantees for Russia as well, about which it is constantly talking. Although I don't know who it is protecting itself from. Because Ukraine has never attacked anyone, it only conducted defensive actions. Because it protects the last thing we have - the family and the land," the President stressed.
    kondo

    Posts : 28265
    Join date : 2015-03-20

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by kondo Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:58 am

    ovaj zelensky je težak moron, moram i to da kažem. jebo ga EU i NATO i sve, samo zbog usrane ukrajinske "demokratije".


    _____
    #FreeFacu

    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:12 am

    odbrana porodice i zemlje i tih nekih tradiocionalnih vrednosti


    _____
    radikalni patrijarhalni feminista

    smrk kod dijane hrk
    boomer crook

    Posts : 36969
    Join date : 2014-10-27

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by boomer crook Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:39 am

    ma puca putinu za garancije. on je sada u govnima iz kojih ga izvlaci samo nesto sto lici na pobedu. najgori rezultat ovog rata bi bio da se nista kobajagi ne promeni.


    _____
    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
    kondo

    Posts : 28265
    Join date : 2015-03-20

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by kondo Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:46 am

    ako ste se pitali kako je zapad došao u stanje da proteruje ruske studente, poneke i prebija na ulici, kako je met opera kanselovala anu netrebko i još puno sličnih tema, ovo je kako se stvara taj state of mind - svaki rus (i belorus a uskoro po slavi i srbin) je neprijatelj. moja žena koja je nemica je 70/tih odrastala u richmondu u juznom londonu, u prilicno posh kraju deca iz nemacke škole su bila sačekivana posle škole i prepadana simuliranjem pucanja na njih. to je 30 godina posle rata. mislim da nas čeka kanselovanje rusa na zapadu do poslednjeg čoveka, bez obzira da li je protiv putina i rata, što verujem da je većina rusa kada se isključi tv.


    ceo niz:



    _____
    #FreeFacu

    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:50 am

    kondo wrote:bez obzira da li je protiv putina i rata, što verujem da je većina rusa kada se isključi tv.

    Jeste kurac.

    Erős Pista

    Posts : 81524
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Erős Pista Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:59 am

    Pa iskreno, i ta istrazivanja su kurac. Nema tu vise slobodnog izjasnjavanja nikakvog. Za protivljenje ratu se ide i zatvor, pa ti sad odgovaraj na ankete.


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:02 am

    Rađeno je 28.2 i 1.3, dakle pre nego što je to izglasano.
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:05 am

    pa ti se vrati u taj datum

    i poentiraj


    _____
    radikalni patrijarhalni feminista

    smrk kod dijane hrk
    паће

    Posts : 40198
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by паће Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:06 am

    kondo wrote:ako ste se pitali kako je zapad došao u stanje da proteruje ruske studente, poneke i prebija na ulici, kako je met opera kanselovala anu netrebko i još puno sličnih tema, ovo je kako se stvara taj state of mind - svaki rus (i belorus a uskoro po slavi i srbin) je neprijatelj.

    У ксенофобији не видим чему фобија, није да се нешто боје, него напросто обожавају да имају групу коју могу некажњено а са гуштом да киње. На том радном месту су се смењивали разни - час амерички Американци, час афрички, час католици, час башка Ирци башка Италијани башка Пољаци, па Јапанци, па црвени, па дугокоси, па пушачи (хм, кога сам то пропустио), па муслимани... дошао ред и на Русе, њима није била посвећена посебна пажња досад, били су онако ђутуре у том византијско-совјетском истоку.

    Миссим пази кад ме у пролеће 2003. шалтеруша на чекину посебно обележи (S на перонској карти розлим хајлајтером) и добијем претрес са испипавањем... јер није скапирала како се чита моје презиме (могла је да ме пита, рекао бих „лако, без проблема“), дакле терориста.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    паће

    Posts : 40198
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by паће Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:09 am

    п.с. Питам се колико ће тзв. руских мафијаша у САД да одједном почну да се издају за Украјинце, а колико за Јевреје.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    disident

    Posts : 15078
    Join date : 2016-03-28

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by disident Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:09 am

    Erős Pista wrote:Pa iskreno, i ta istrazivanja su kurac. Nema tu vise slobodnog izjasnjavanja nikakvog. Za protivljenje ratu se ide i zatvor, pa ti sad odgovaraj na ankete.
    1+


    _____
    Što se ostaloga tiče, smatram da Zapad treba razoriti
    Jedini proleter Burundija
    Pristalica krvne osvete
    Erős Pista

    Posts : 81524
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Erős Pista Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:09 am

    rumbeando wrote:Rađeno je 28.2 i 1.3, dakle pre nego što je to izglasano.

    Ma dobro, ali jasno je bilo ljudima gde zive i sta moze da im se desi. Ne kazem da je istrazivanje bezvredno, ali tesko da se moze uzimati bez zadrske.


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:14 am

    ja mislim da je ruski patrijarh jaci od vasington posta


    _____
    radikalni patrijarhalni feminista

    smrk kod dijane hrk
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:15 am

    pa to kenselovanje rusa ide na putinovu vodenicu

    ovde se uopste ne radi o ukrajini niti nekakvim izlazima i resenjima odrzivim

    nego brt da se istriggeruje na zapadu i istoku sve sta moze sada, kao predigra

    pa onda da se karamo ko ljudi


    _____
    radikalni patrijarhalni feminista

    smrk kod dijane hrk
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:18 am

    Cela objava sa grafikonima. Ovo je već treće istraživanje koje pokazuje većinsku podršku invaziji u ruskom narodu.


    The study was initiated by a group of independent sociologists and IT specialists. The project brought together independent researchers and research companies from different regions of Russia. A questionnaire was developed, a sample design was formed and a survey of the RF citizens over 18 years old was conducted. 
    Sampling was formed. The data were collected by telephone poll among the residents of all regions of the Russian Federation on February 28-March 1, according to the random sample. The initial sampling was stratified by time zones, so that the contact with the respondent occurred in his/her comfortable time. 1640 respondents were interviewed. Each potential respondent was contacted at least 3 times. The final sample was weighted by gender, age, and education.
    On February 24, the invasion of Ukraine by Russian Federation troops, officially called a "special military operation," began. Our measurement took place on the fifth and sixth days of the invasion.
    On these days, 45.5% of Russians strongly supported the start of hostilities, and another 12.7% expressed this support less strongly. In total, 58.2% of Russians approved of the invasion of Ukraine. 15.8% strongly disapproved and another 6.7% did so less strongly. Thus, there are approximately two and a half supporters per one opponent of the invasion (22.5% vs. 58.2%). As we can see, in spite of the high support of the military clash one cannot speak about its nationwide approval. 

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 9ogcsaY
    Figure 1: Support for Russia's military invasion of Ukraine 
    (RF, 28.21-1.03.2022, N=1640)

    We have an opportunity to compare the newly obtained data with the perception of the armed conflict in Chechnya more than 20 years ago. According to the data of the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center in November 1999 (the initial stage of the "second Chechen war"), 61% of Russians were inclined to "continue military operations" and 27% were inclined toward peace negotiations. Six months later, in May 2000, the ratio of those in favor of continuing war and peace changed to 56% and 35%, but in February 2001, only 38% were in favor of continuing hostilities, while 50% favored negotiations. In the same survey, almost four out of every five Russians (79%) believed that a "guerrilla war" was taking place in Chechnya at that moment, and only 12% agreed that a peaceful settlement was under way there. As can be seen, Russian support for an armed conflict on a much smaller scale in its initial phase was significantly higher than today and weakened as it developed. We can assume a similar dynamics in the new conflict. 
    On February 25 and 27, VCIOM polled 1,600 Russians each as part of its Sputnik daily project. According to the results, 65 percent (February 25) and 68 percent (February 27) supported the start of the invasion, an average of 67 percent. The military operation was opposed by 25% and 22%, respectively, with an average of 24%. As we can see, the data of a survey conducted by the same method (telephone poll) on a similar sample (random, stratified by the territory of the country) and largely similar humanitarian resources (call center operators) gave a significantly different result. This is likely due to two main reasons. First, we used a longer scale for coding the results - 7 scale values, including the "refuse to answer" option, obvious for such an acute and ambiguous situation instead of 3 at VCIOM. Our colleagues offered the "I have difficulty answering" option only for those who demonstrated such difficulty through their silence. We gave the respondent an opportunity to give a mixed answer - "I support some issues and some issues do not," as well as to refuse to answer. As a result, the percentage of pro-choice respondents declined from 67% to 58%, while the percentage of those who do not support the statement remained the same - 23% and 24% respectively. 
    Secondly, traditionally, during omnibus, monitoring projects, questions about trust in the first persons of the state, as well as in other social institutions, come at the beginning of the interview, and by the time the topic of aggression has been broached, the respondent has been repeatedly asked about the degree of trust in the President of the Russian Federation, the government, and the ruling party. As a result he/she assimilates the logic of the interview understood by him/her and tries to follow the more "correct" point of view as he/she understands it. 
    This is even more noticeable in the case of the residential poll, which is conducted, in particular, by the Public Opinion Foundation. During the February 25-27 measurement, a somewhat rephrased question was used: "On February 24, Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of a military operation in Ukraine. In your opinion, was the decision to conduct a military operation right or wrong?" but the same three-dimensional scale. In the end - 65% thought it was right, 17% thought it was wrong, and 18% had difficulty answering. As we can see, the use of longer and more flexible scales makes it possible to detect significant shifts in the measurements of public opinion.

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 6Z8zbRF
    Figure 2: Support for Russia's military invasion of Ukraine in different measurements

    As mentioned above, the situation of military confrontation itself, associated with both an existential threat and the prospect of possible punishment for voicing an opinion (and the blackout and blocking of Russian media provides a reliable basis for this), can significantly affect the respondents' willingness to state their point of view sincerely. The interviewers who conducted the survey estimated that 9 percent of respondents "were very withdrawn and spoke apprehensively. In contrast, 25% were "very outspoken and willing to answer all questions. Despite the apparent dominance of outspoken and sincere respondents, among those who were reserved and wary of speaking frankly, the ratio of supporters to opponents of the invasion was nearly 1 to 1 (31% vs. 27%). Among those who were "outspoken," supporters of the military operation dominated (72% vs. 16%). Presumably, the topic of approval/disapproval of the military aspect of state foreign policy is extremely sensitive for Russian citizens today, and this sensitivity must be taken into account when conducting measurements on this topic and presenting the results.

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 OceESRh
    Figure 3: Influence of respondent's willingness to communicate on the expression of an opinion regarding the approval of state policy (RF, 28.21-1.03.2022)
    https://dropmefiles.net/en/NwMZSaLK (fajl: press-reliz_fin.docx, prevod: Deepl)
    Mr.Pink

    Posts : 11141
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Age : 44

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Mr.Pink Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:25 am

    ovaj brate dodje ovde nakupi se smeca sa interneta i onda hoce da pricamo o tome 

    radi svoj poso brt


    _____
    radikalni patrijarhalni feminista

    smrk kod dijane hrk

    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 Empty Re: Rat u Ukrajini

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri May 17, 2024 11:40 am