Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

    EU - what's next?

    Dambo

    Posts : 372
    Join date : 2019-05-05

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Dambo Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:18 pm

    “There will be no Polexit. It’s a propaganda invention that has been used many times against us,” said Kaczynski, who is also a deputy prime minister. “We unequivocally see the future of Poland in the European Union.”
    fikret selimbašić

    Posts : 9608
    Join date : 2020-06-19

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:47 pm


    Slovenski premijer Janez Janša reagirao je na prosvjede u Ljubljani rekavši da je vrijeme da pravosuđe prestane tolerirati nasilje.

    Premijer Janez Janša reagirao je na nerede u glavnom slovenskom gradu, napisavši na svom Twitter profilu da “ulično nasilje nikada nije dovelo ni do čega dobrog”.
    Dodao je kako Vlada Republike Slovenije neće popustiti pred bilo kakvim pritiskom te će inzistirati na mjerama za zaštitu zdravlja i života ljudi.
    “Vrijeme je da tužiteljstvo i pravosuđe prestanu tolerirati prijetnje i nasilje”, dodao je Janša.




    Ranije se oglasio i ministar unutarnujih poslova Aleš Hojs koji je, pak, ovaj prosvjed nazvao “lijevim fašizmom u praksi”.


    _____
    Međuopštinski pustolov.

    Kijevljani, Kijevljani, paganski skupe. Da niste Mihajlika izdali, nikad Tatari Kijev ne bi zauzeli.

    A onda, kad mjehne Raspotočje, onda je jebeno.
    Erős Pista

    Posts : 81524
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Erős Pista Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:49 pm

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 1336943286


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    fikret selimbašić

    Posts : 9608
    Join date : 2020-06-19

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:47 pm


    Evropska unija mora da prestane da laže samu sebe o Zapadnom Balkanu i umjesto što vještački održava u životu iluziju o pristupanju, mora nedvosmisleno da kaže regionu da neće biti punopravnog članstva, piše njemački dnevnik Die Welt.

    “Jedno je sigurno: Evropljani su proširenje na Zapadni Balkan do sada temeljito zabrljali. Ali za to nije odogovoran samo Brisel, već i zemlje kandidati. Post faktum, bila je teška strateška greška dati obećanje o pristupanju. Na taj način su u regionu stvorena ogromna očekivanja, koja nije moguće ispuniti”, piše list.


    _____
    Međuopštinski pustolov.

    Kijevljani, Kijevljani, paganski skupe. Da niste Mihajlika izdali, nikad Tatari Kijev ne bi zauzeli.

    A onda, kad mjehne Raspotočje, onda je jebeno.
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:49 pm

    Ne mogu da kažu. A, u suštini, ne mogu ni da misle.
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:54 pm

    Mislim, srećom pa su političari pametniji od novinara.

    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:55 pm

    Ali što se konkretno Srbije tiče, ona treba ozbiljno da ispita mogućnost pristupanja EEA, bez članstva u EU
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:09 am

    Neka druga vlada bi sprovodila smislen proces integracija i doterala ga blizu nekakvog kraja (sa ? oko Kosova ali eto). Smanjivanje nivoa ambicija u tom procesu u suštini direktno pogoduje odsustvu interesovanja za taj proces kod SRN ekipe, njima bi to bilo super, da ima kao neke ekonomijice bez mnogo čega drugog. Za društvo to je (još jedan) poveći minus.
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:12 am

    A švapski mrsomudi ionako vole kad je ovako - ekonomski izvlače korist bez mnogo cimanja sa svoje strane. Pritom relativno rastu i kontra Francuske, jer je ceo splet proširenja - nakon bregzita je to jasno - ojačao Nemačku a malo kome drugom (bitnom) u EU doneo opipljivu političku ili ekonomsku korist.

    Švaba pravi svoju grossmitteleuropu i ne bi da se zamara viškom koraka. More.....

    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:28 am

    I nasli su fantasticnu ekipu u Beogradu za to. I WB6 je njihova ideja, sumanut koncept, generalno. Koji upravo sluzi tome da se pristupanje odvija kako se odvija. Sam taj format sprecava tj zamagljuje fokusiranje na neku zemlju i time i generalno priblizavanje EU. 

    A ovaj u tekstu se pravi blesav. Zna odlicno sta bi sve pocelo da se odmotava ako bi zemljama otvoreno rekli - nema od clanstva nista. Nego treba napisati neki satro pametan clanak, njemu je nesto palo na amet sto nije ni Merkel, ni Makronu ni bilo kome. Naravno da im je palo na pamet, ali tu ima jos 7 nepoznatih u jednacini i nijedna nije prijatna.
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:54 am

    Kacmo kod EU

    Anonymous
    Guest

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Guest Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:46 pm

    https://www.profil.at/meinung/franziska-tschinderle-der-balkan-darf-nicht-oesterreich-werden/401764353
    паће

    Posts : 40195
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by паће Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:37 pm

    aber in einer Sackgasse gelandet ist

    ...дакле, треба ли читати даље? Ћорсокак.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    Летећи Полип

    Posts : 11132
    Join date : 2018-03-03
    Age : 35
    Location : Hotline Rakovica

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Летећи Полип Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:56 pm

    http://91.222.7.144/politicki-zivot/ne-mozemo-da-vas-primimo-ali-se-osecajte-kao-da-ste-u-eu.html


    _____
    Sve čega ima na filmu, rekao sam, ima i na Zlatiboru.


    ~~~~~

    Ne dajte da vas prevare! Sačuvajte svoje pojene!
    паће

    Posts : 40195
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by паће Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:29 pm

    Симпатична ми је она рекламица доле десно, „Србија се више не сме комадати део по део“, јер имплицира „...него све одједном“.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:18 pm

    https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/85563

    Judy Asks: Has the EU Lost the Western Balkans?
    JUDY DEMPSEY

    The EU remains the Western Balkans’ primary trading partner and investor. But failing to step up engagement and deliver on enlargement promises will come at a high cost and benefit the likes of Russia and China.
    October 14, 2021


    DIMITAR BECHEV
    LECTURER AT THE OXFORD SCHOOL OF GLOBAL AND AREA STUDIES, UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD
    The EU has not lost the Western Balkans.

    It remains the principal economic player in the region and wields considerable diplomatic clout. The hype about China and Russia aside, it is the EU which provided the bulk of coronavirus assistance and is now funding the post-pandemic recovery.

    The union has largely itself to blame for coming across as lacking influence. Its greatest asset—the promise of membership—is also its Achilles’ heel.

    If accession is no longer a credible prospect, Balkan power players are likely to shun Brussels’ demands, look elsewhere for political support and economic rewards, and take the European Union for granted.

    Worse still, local leaders casually bash the EU to score domestic political points while benefitting from the perks European integration offers to populations—including trade access, investment, and visa-free travel.

    The Western Balkans remain firmly in the EU’s sphere but this does not mean that Brussels, Berlin, or Paris are calling the shots.

    ALLISON CARRAGHER
    VISITING SCHOLAR AT CARNEGIE EUROPE
    If the question is whether the people of the Western Balkans have stopped believing they’ll join the EU soon, then yes.

    Despite reassurances proffered by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen following the EU-Western Balkans summit, Charles Michel’s words were more telling. Namely, the president of the European Council finally acknowledged out loud what we’ve all known for a while: “there is an ongoing debate between the 27 on the Union’s capacity to integrate new member states.” In other words, short of overhauling the unanimity system of voting, don’t expect enlargement any time soon.

    This does not, however, mean the Western Balkans are “lost.” It means we need to stop viewing the EU-Western Balkans’ relationship exclusively through the lens of enlargement. The prospect of EU membership can be a powerful motivator for reform, but it is not a prerequisite for engagement. The United States promotes policy changes worldwide without dangling the possibility of statehood.

    Instead of breaking promises on accession, the EU should focus on promises it can keep. It is the key investor in the region and EU ideals are still of interest to the Western Balkan citizenry. As long as the people of the Western Balkans still desire representative and non-corrupt governments, cleaner air, and freedom of movement, the EU will not lose the Western Balkans to anyone else.

    JOHN C. KORNBLUM
    FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO GERMANY
    EU policy in the Western Balkans recalls the classic Communist joke: “The EU pretends to offer membership and we pretend to be interested in joining.” EU members never had any intention of enlarging the union and as their behavior has demonstrated for years, neither Bosnia and Herzegovina nor Serbia ever had any interest in joining.

    As the person who designed the Dayton Agreement, I know what it was supposed to do and what it could likely not do. Its primary goal was to stop the war. A secondary goal was to restore relatively normal economic and social life. A long-term goal was to build the foundations of a three-community government. Always in the back of our minds was Kosovo.

    Goals one and two seem to be have been achieved. Probably only the return of former Yugoslav president Josep Broz Tito’s secret police could make goal three achievable. Kosovo remains a major problem. Time has come to abandon illusions and focus on the doable.


    With a new EU high representative on board and a new German government on the horizon, it will be important to explore all “non-membership” options that could help both solidify the peace and improve the civil societies of Bosnia, Kosovo, and Serbia. Continued foreign subsidies are likely to be essential. Engaging the United States and Russia more actively in these efforts will be critical.

    DENIS MACSHANE
    EUROPEAN POLITICAL ADVISOR AT AVISA PARTNERS
    Yes. The Western Balkans expose the pointlessness of talking about an EU foreign policy. In 1999, a combined European and American, NATO-EU operation brought an end to a decade of Serb-initiated conflict in the Western Balkans, including attacks on Sarajevo or the slaughter of 8,000 men, women and children at Srebrenica. Europe acted.

    In the last twenty years, Europe has talked. First Greece and now Bulgaria created fake identity issues to deny the existence of the Skopje-Macedonian entity (today’s North Macedonia). Then Spain, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Cyprus pretended Kosovo didn’t exist.

    French President Emmanuel Macron in 2017 said Europe must enlarge to include the small nations of the West Balkans. Then he flip-flopped as his opponents accused him of opening Europe to Muslim states. In fact, the number of Muslims in France and Germany alone far outnumber the total Muslim population of the entire Western Balkans.

    But no national leader in the EU has faced down the clerical demagogues in their countries who oppose Western Balkan enlargement. EU foreign policy chiefs have come and gone and made no difference.

    The winners are Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, and China’s President Xi Jinping, who have infiltrated and gained influence in the Western Balkans to undermine EU cohesion and coherence.

    JOVANA MAROVIĆ
    VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIC MOVEMENT UNITED REFORM ACTION (URA)
    The answer is both yes and no. The Western Balkan countries still hope for integration and the citizens of the region overwhelmingly support membership in the EU. As long as this is the case, there will be a rhetorical commitment to integration and democratization on both sides. No one can afford the luxury of giving it up.

    In practice, the countries of the Western Balkans are progressing slowly, and there are no guarantees as to what European integration will lead to, or at least there is no clear accession dynamic. This means that the EU’s transformative power is no longer yielding results, which is devastating for both the EU and the Western Balkans.

    Non-Western actors have been showing interest in the Western Balkans for a long time. But since they do not offer a framework for democratization, they cannot assume the primary role and become more interesting than the EU, given the union’s economic clout in the region.

    Yet, the very presence of non-Western actors may have consequences not only in terms of strengthening their influence but also in terms of who the Western Balkan countries see as mentors.

    For now, the EU remains the most desirable partner and destination, but this will not last if the union doesn’t change its approach toward the region soon and start to engage more actively on the ground.

    SENADA ŠELO ŠABIĆ
    SENIOR RESEARCH ASSOCIATE AT THE INSTITUTE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS (IRMO), ZAGREB
    Lost to whom? Citizens from the Western Balkans are migrating to Germany, Austria, and Sweden, not to China, Russia, or Turkey.

    If I were a cynic, I would say this is what the EU wants—a workforce that is easily integrated, diligent, and modest. However, not everybody will leave.

    With depopulation, immigrants from outside Europe may settle, purchasing empty houses. That is not to say that this is wrong. Migration is a constant in our civilization.

    However, with the European hysteria about immigration, new actors in the already destabilized Western Balkans may complicate existing regional dynamics and further estrange this region from the EU.

    Thus, the question is: does the EU care who governs territories and states in the Western Balkans? The short answer is it cannot afford not to care. Losing the Western Balkans is hurting the EU itself. The union has a hole in its body and it is the Western Balkans.

    EU officials demonstrate little imagination and willpower to engage with progressive forces. Instead, they put chips on authoritarian leaders who have no intention of reforming their countries and risk losing office.

    As long as the EU is catering for the wellbeing of corrupt politicians in the Western Balkans, it is betraying pro-European citizens in this region. And most importantly, it is wasting EU taxpayers’ money and damaging its own credibility on the global stage.


    MIRJANA TOMIĆ
    PROGRAM DIRECTOR AT PRESSECLUB CONCORDIA AND FORUM JOURNALISMUS UND MEDIEN, VIENNA
    The European Union has not conquered the hearts and minds in the Western Balkans, although the EU remains the main destination for migration.

    The EU’s method of communication and the local media are part of the problem. Brussels is portrayed as distant and eager to impose its values and policies, all while tolerating local autocrats. Most citizens in the Western Balkans ignore what the EU stands for. Their information sources are local media and politicians.

    Furthermore, EU-promoted themes are perceived as imported, especially LGBTQ rights, gender politics, and environmental policies, to mention a few. Local authorities pretend to implement some of those policies without conviction. Serbia’s President Aleksandar Vučić recently declared: “Climate change, just like the rule of law, is used as a jihad against those countries which are disobedient.”

    Brussels is not viewed as the only representative of EU policies. Budapest, Ljubljana, and Berlin are also influential, albeit for different reasons. Yet the local media does not reflect such nuances.

    The absence of independent media has opened space for Russia’s Sputnik-generated media content, and China-friendly, sponsored supplements. The former spreads conspiracies and sows doubts about the EU. Doom scenarios about EU disintegration are frequent.

    Formally, the European Union has not lost the Western Balkans. But n the ground, both sides must make efforts to build trust and improve perceptions.

    ILKE TOYGÜR
    ANALYST OF EUROPEAN AFFAIRS AT THE ELCANO ROYAL INSTITUTE
    I’d say the EU should work harder in order not to lose the Western Balkans.

    Enlargement has been the best tool in the past. From the Iberian Peninsula to post-Soviet Eastern Europe, the EU has extended its sphere of influence.

    However, this is not the case today. Not only because the union of twenty-seven has lost its appetite for enlargement, or presumably has no capacity to absorb more, but also because its transformative power ended up being very much questioned when looking at the cases of Poland or Hungary.

    This does not change the fact that the most concrete step toward what some call strategic autonomy and others European sovereignty is collaborating effectively with the countries in the neighborhood.

    The United Kingdom, Turkey, and the Western Balkans, are there on that list.

    Being aware of this is even more important now that the United States is re-directing its energy and resources to countering the rise of China.

    So, the EU should look for alternative ways of establishing a strategic partnership with the Western Balkans. The enlargement perspective could be kept for the future. The frustration it creates is just counterproductive. What is needed is a well-functioning relationship to tackle common challenges today.

    IVAN VEJVODA
    ACTING RECTOR AT THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN SCIENCES (IWM)
    Not yet. Both the aspiring six countries of the region and the EU need to do much more to not lose each other. The candidate countries have to seriously engage in rule of law and democratic institution strengthening and ensure true pluralism and media freedoms.

    The EU needs to be even more present in supporting these wholesome processes of democratization.

    These are certainly challenging years and the proclaimed “geopolitical” European Commission is not living up to its promise of engaging more strategically with the world, let alone with the Western Balkans.

    There has recently been somewhat of a wake-up in Brussels caused by the growing activities of Russia, China, and others, which indicated that the EU sensed it was losing ground.

    The recent EU-Western Balkans summit in Slovenia rightly underscored the continuing commitment to bringing the region into the EU’s fold.

    Blocking North Macedonia’s—and thus Albania’s—accession and not giving Kosovo a visa-free regime is not helping the EU’s image.

    The commitment of the Western Balkan countries to join the EU is unwavering whatever opinion polls say and in spite of nay-sayers.

    Were we have to referenda in all six countries this coming Sunday asking whether these countries wanted to become EU members, convincing majorities would vote for joining. Common sense in public opinion says it is better to be part of the big EU family that surrounds the Western Balkans geographically and in every other way, than to stay outside in the cold.

    VUK VUKSANOVIĆ
    RESEARCHER AT THE BELGRADE CENTRE FOR SECURITY POLICY (BCSP)
    This is not a story about the EU losing the region, as it geographically encircles it, and remains its primary trading partner and investor.

    This is the story about the EU losing its leverage to dictate the reform agenda of the Western Balkan nations and to shape their foreign policy agenda.

    “The EU has the power of attraction, but its transformative powers are more limited,” said Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev in Belgrade in 2014.

    Seven years later, these words perfectly capture the geopolitical reality of the EU and the Balkans. It would appear that to break the current deadlock, three highly unlikely things need to happen. First, the EU has to get its own house in order. Second, the Western Balkans must do the same. And third, local disputes, like Kosovo’s status, need to be resolved.

    The problem is that neither the reforms in the Balkans nor the resolution of political disputes will happen unless local capitals have the positive incentive of a realistic prospect of joining the EU.

    Moreover, countries like Serbia feel vindicated in hedging their bets with Russia, China, and others. The EU’s lack of strategic thinking and bureaucratic mindset results in Europe squandering its geopolitical capital in the region.
    Erős Pista

    Posts : 81524
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Erős Pista Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:10 pm

    Kakvi jezivo proseravanje ovog Kornbluma, jebo ga i old comunist joke i  Tito's secret police.


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    паће

    Posts : 40195
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by паће Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:13 pm

    The United States promotes policy changes worldwide without dangling the possibility of statehood.

    Боље им иде штапом и другим средствима.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:41 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:Kakvi jezivo proseravanje ovog Kornbluma, jebo ga i old comunist joke i  Tito's secret police.

    Pa tad je formiran kao čovek i kao diplomata (rođen 1943); što je naučio, naučio je odavno.
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:25 pm

    Kao čovek i kao antikomunista
    Del Cap

    Posts : 6233
    Join date : 2019-11-04

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:09 am






    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:16 am

    Well, Mark...
    паће

    Posts : 40195
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : квантни физикалац

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by паће Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:54 am

    Новинар из софтверашке фирме... не дирај му новинаре.


    _____
       commented, fermented, demented, mementoed, cemented, lamented.
       анархеологистика: оно кад не знаш где си га затурио, и кад.
    Anonymous
    Guest

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Guest Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:30 pm

    kako to kako to kako to




    Prozapadni desničarski ruski političar Aleksej Navaljni osvojio je nagradu Saharov, najvišu nagradu EU za rad na ljudskim pravima. Nagrada je najveće priznanje Evropske unije braniteljima ljudskih prava
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 50232
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:39 pm

    Aj pls daj link na tu vest

    EU  - what's next? - Page 20 Empty Re: EU - what's next?

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri May 17, 2024 9:49 am