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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Fri 3 May - 18:33:54

    odvratni karadjordjevici su sve ovo zakuvali, kao i skoro sva ostala sranja sa okolnim narodima.


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    Post by Zuper Fri 3 May - 19:14:54

    Osim sa Bugarima, to je pukao Obrenovic na nagovor Austrije. Posle morali Petrovica Djordja naslednici da nalupaju bugarase.
    Ipak biram Karadjorejvici, lepse je sa morem i Aplima

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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Fri 3 May - 19:54:55

    milan jeste napao bugare, ali to nije bilo nista sto se nije moglo resiti i oko cega nije moguc dogovor. sto dokazuje cinjenica da smo bili saveznici u 1. balkanskom ratu.

    lepse je sa morem i alpima, samo sad imamo muda od labuda. 

    hteli ljudi dusanovo carstvo, idemo u albaniju, kolonizacija, imperija, najjaci smo. obrenovici su bar znali sta je i gde je srbija.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri 3 May - 19:55:17

    KinderLad wrote:


    to je zato sto niko od 5. oktobra na ovamo nije imao herca, volje, ali ni interesa da narodu objasni jednostavnu istinu - Kosovo je izgubio Milosevic. Nego su odmah posle 5. oktobra poceli da ga zaludjuju (narod)


    Posle? Oni su došli na vlast obećavajući povratak Kosova i Republiku Srpsku. Sve, samo da se odreknemo socijalizma i pređemo na pravu stranu.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri 3 May - 19:59:32

    Летећи Полип wrote:
    KinderLad wrote:


    to je zato sto niko od 5. oktobra na ovamo nije imao herca, volje, ali ni interesa da narodu objasni jednostavnu istinu - Kosovo je izgubio Milosevic. Nego su odmah posle 5. oktobra poceli da ga zaludjuju (narod)


    Posle? Oni su došli na vlast obećavajući povratak Kosova i Republiku Srpsku. Sve, samo da se odreknemo socijalizma i pređemo na pravu stranu.

    A onda na kraju nisu presli ni na pravu stranu. Mada bih morao malo da se podsetim cele kampanje pred te izbore, bolje se secam sta je radio otpor.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri 3 May - 20:13:09

    Svaka čast otporu, ali 5. Oktobar je sproveden na čelu sa Koštunicom, uz blagoslov Patrijarha Pavla, i na mišice Legije i navijača Crvene Zvezde.


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    Post by Zuper Fri 3 May - 20:16:34

    Santino wrote:milan jeste napao bugare, ali to nije bilo nista sto se nije moglo resiti i oko cega nije moguc dogovor. sto dokazuje cinjenica da smo bili saveznici u 1. balkanskom ratu.

    lepse je sa morem i alpima, samo sad imamo muda od labuda. 

    hteli ljudi dusanovo carstvo, idemo u albaniju, kolonizacija, imperija, najjaci smo. obrenovici su bar znali sta je i gde je srbija.

    Obrenovici su bili debili koji su uvek uvodili diktaturu u Srbiju i pravili gradjanski rat.
    Oni mogu biti samo pozitivci kod onih koji veze sa istorijom Srbije nemaju poput Vucica i "pescanika"
    Milan je bio poseban debil u tome smislu jer je poslusao Austriju da ide juzno i istocno gde Srba nije bilo a ne gde su Srbi bili vecina u BiH pa je onda napravio to da se Bugarska uveca duplo i poremeti balans snaga. Pa onda tajna konvencija koja je ekonomska katastrofa za Srbiju i tako.

    A bili smo saveznici uz pomoc Karadjordjevica i Rusa te smo napenalili bugarase jos uvek se pusu i piste.
    Kako dodju Karadjordjevici slede pobede bez njih porazi.

    Za to nisu krivi Karadjordjevici vec drugovi koji su dosli posle. Sloba i Njofra Persijaner su bili komunisticki aparatcik i oficir, respektivno. Oprosticemo Slobi sto je bio bankar u Njujorku.

    U Albaniju smo usli lepo, fino i kulturno zbog izlaza na more a onda nas je Austrija naterala da se povucemo i izazvala svetski rat.
    Ali dobro, dodjosmo do Klagenfurta i Alpa.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri 3 May - 20:17:40

    Летећи Полип wrote:Svaka čast otporu, ali 5. Oktobar je sproveden na čelu sa Koštunicom, uz blagoslov Patrijarha Pavla, i na mišice Legije i navijača Crvene Zvezde.

    Ne ne, ok, svako je radio svoj deo posla, ali ja u ovom trenutku bih morao da proverim predizborne govore, ne secam ih se
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    Post by Zuper Fri 3 May - 20:25:07

    U stvari Albanija 1912 nije ni postojala kada smo usli lepo, fino i kulturno.
    Kao sto nikada do 1912 i nije postojala.
    Hvala Engleskoj i Austriji.
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    Post by Guest Fri 3 May - 20:31:16

    Informativan i zanimljiv presek samita u Berlinu, najbolji koji sam pročitao:

    Mercron’s Balkan breakdown

    Failure to break impasse between Kosovo and Serbia underscores EU’s foreign policy failings.

    By Matthew Karnitschnig


    BERLIN — Emmanuel Macron was on the verge of losing it.

    After trying (and failing) for hours to prod and coax Kosovan Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj to accept a compromise to defuse his small country’s worsening dispute with Serbia, the French president resorted to his signature bluntness.

    “You’re in no position to ask for anything,” Macron, raising his voice, told Haradinaj as a group of other leaders from the region looked on, according to two people who witnessed the encounter in Berlin.

    So it goes for Europe’s would-be Balkan peacemakers.

    Macron visited the German capital this week to co-host a summit of Western Balkan leaders alongside Angela Merkel aimed at jumpstarting talks between Serbia and Kosovo. Frustrated by the EU’s failure to forge a deal to ease the tensions, Merkel and Macron decided to take matters into their owns hands.

    By the time the summit adjourned in the early hours of Tuesday, they probably wished they hadn’t. Instead of presenting a breakthrough, Merkel and Macron unwittingly put Europe’s dysfunctional diplomacy on public display. The summit highlighted divisions not just between Kosovo and Serbia, but also between Paris and Berlin and between the EU's member countries and its foreign policy apparatus in Brussels.

    Tensions between the Balkan neighbors flared anew recently after Kosovo, which declared independence from Serbia in 2008, imposed 100 percent tariffs on Serbian goods in response to Belgrade’s efforts to block international recognition for Pristina. Serbia promptly made clear it would take no further part in an EU-sponsored dialogue between the two sides until the tariffs are lifted.

    Going into this week’s meeting, neither side appeared willing to budge, prompting some diplomats to privately question whether the summit should go forward at all. Such high-level summits are usually carefully choreographed affairs, preceded by months of diplomatic spade work during which officials negotiate the contours of agreements, which then go to the leaders for the final touches. Big countries often use such meetings, which offer the leaders of smaller countries coveted international limelight, as an incentive to make compromises.

    In this case, the participants could not even agree on the broad “conclusions” circulated by Berlin and Paris in the days leading up to the summit.

    Despite the discord, both Macron and Merkel hoped to use the momentum of the deal between Greece and North Macedonia over the latter’s official name to achieve some sort of breakthrough on Serbia and Kosovo.

    They were disappointed. The meeting — which included leaders from Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia and was also meant to focus on the region’s EU aspirations — quickly became bogged down in the quagmire between Serbia and Kosovo, prompting criticism that far from improving the situation, Berlin and Paris’ ham-handed diplomacy had only made matters worse. “The only happy person was Mogherini,” said one participant, referring to EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini.

    By staging the summit outside the aegis of the EU — which has its own process meant to normalize relations between Kosovo and Serbia — France and Germany were effectively upstaging Brussels. Though Mogherini, who arrived all smiles and sporting a deep tan after the Easter break, was invited to the Berlin meeting, she was given a bit part.

    Critics charge that for most of her term, which began in 2014, the Italian paid little attention to the Balkans but has belatedly become more active as the region is the focus of Great Power politics, with China and Russia seeking to assert influence there.

    So far she has little to show for her efforts, however. Mogherini has come under fire for failing to break the impasse between Kosovo and Serbia, despite months of trying. She has also created problems by embracing a plan that would allow for a so-called land swap, the exchange of territories along ethnic lines, between the two countries. While some in both Belgrade and Pristina support the idea, Merkel is deeply opposed amid concerns that it would set a dangerous precedent in a region with a dark history of ethnic cleansing.

    France meanwhile has been much more ambiguous about the land swap idea. In a statement before the summit, Macron said outsiders would not seek to impose solutions on the region and spoke of "no taboos."

    Officials at the Elysée Palace did not respond to requests for comment on Macron's interactions at the summit and whether he supports the land swap.

    Summit swerve

    The summit started to go off the rails almost as soon as it began.

    The Kosovo delegation was divided over whether to accept a compromise. President Hashim Thaçi supported some form of deal, but the tariffs fall under the purview of Haradinaj, his political rival.

    Haradinaj, a former guerrilla commander, made it clear his government wouldn’t drop the tariffs until Serbia, which still considers Kosovo a renegade province, formally recognizes its sovereignty.

    During a break, as members of the other delegations lingered on one of the balconies in Berlin’s chancellory, Merkel and Macron took Haradinaj aside.

    They urged him to drop the tariffs for six months to allow negotiations for a broader deal to go forward, holding out the carrot of visa-free travel for Kosovars traveling to the EU’s Schengen zone. (Though Kosovo has fulfilled EU requirements for visa liberalization, a major priority for the small country, final approval has been held up by some member states.)

    Haradinaj wouldn’t back down.

    “I want recognition,” he said, according to a person who witnessed the exchange. Haradinaj didn’t respond to requests to comment for this article.

    Most observers believe that if Serbia ever agrees to recognize Kosovo, it could only come at the end of a process that would offer a major prize for Belgrade, such as EU membership.

    Merkel spoke to Haradinaj of the importance of compromise in European politics and patience, invoking the example of German reunification, which few thought would ever be possible in the years before the Berlin Wall fell.

    “I don’t want to wait 20 years,” Haradinaj responded.

    At one point, Macron took the Kosovar, who became fluent in French after working as a bouncer in Switzerland in the 1990s, aside to speak to him privately.

    Haradinaj held firm, continuing to demand Serbia recognize Kosovo first.

    Merkel and Macron, recognizing they were getting nowhere, eventually adjourned the meeting. Merkel’s office put out a joint Franco-German statement saying that Serbia and Kosovo had agreed to work “constructively” to normalize their relations.

    If only.

    There was no mention of the two sides actually restarting their frozen dialogue.

    A big reason for the Kosovar prime minister’s stubbornness is that his stance enjoys strong support at home.

    “It’s made him very popular,” said Milan Nic, an analyst with the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP), who covers the region.

    The question is how long he can keep it up.

    Merkel and Macron appear intent on forcing Haradinaj to back down. The two tentatively scheduled another summit with the feuding parties in early July in Paris.

    Like the EU, the U.S. has been pressuring Kosovo to drop the tariffs. The Kosovo delegation met with Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, before the summit and he repeated that message.

    About the only issue the fractious Kosovo politicians seem to agree on is that the U.S., which led the NATO bombings in 1999 that paved the way for Kosovo’s independence, should become more involved in the process.

    The U.S. is more amenable to a land swap if that’s what the parties decide. The idea has been supported by Serbian President Alexander Vučić and Thaçi in the past, though they have since equivocated. Haradinaj, who opposes any change of borders, claimed after the summit that the issue was “off the table,” but other participants denied that.

    “Without the U.S., we can never have any dialogue, negotiations or any agreement,” Thaçi told Reuters TV in Berlin. “The EU is not united in this process.”

    https://www.politico.eu/article/merkel-macron-balkans-serbia-kosovo/
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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Fri 3 May - 20:45:01

    Zuper wrote:U stvari Albanija 1912 nije ni postojala kada smo usli lepo, fino i kulturno.

    toliko o tome ko pojma nema o istoriji  Kosovo* - Page 40 295895716


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    Post by Zuper Fri 3 May - 20:52:40

    Santino wrote:
    Zuper wrote:U stvari Albanija 1912 nije ni postojala kada smo usli lepo, fino i kulturno.

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    Lepo, fino i kulturno cak smo toliko bili dobri da smo pomagali nesposobnon Nikoli ali to samo zato sto smo dobri i sto smo bili tako u mogucnosti za vreme Karadjordjevica.
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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Fri 3 May - 20:54:48

    Gargantua wrote:Informativan i zanimljiv presek samita u Berlinu, najbolji koji sam pročitao
    ...
    hvala garg.

    skoro da ti bude drago sto ih nightclub bouncer ovako izbacuje iz takta.


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    Post by Guest Fri 3 May - 21:23:03

    pa jbg, oni traže da se odreknemo nečega što nije naše i što ne može da bude naše obrni okreni

    meni nije jasno zašto ne zavaljamo kosovo, kada već nije naše, a onda svu kintu sjebemo na kurve i koks

    vi svi bi da ga date zađaba, a onda da žickate za tubu tigra i plastičnu kesu od 2 dinara, valjda ste takav narod neprotestantski neveberovoski nerandovski itd

    gde vam je preduzetnički duh
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    Post by beatakeshi Fri 3 May - 21:23:55

    Ti si zapravo onaj Pinkov ortak?
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    Post by Filipenko Fri 3 May - 21:28:00

    Zuper wrote:
    Obrenovici su bili debili koji su uvek uvodili diktaturu u Srbiju i pravili gradjanski rat.

    zato sto smo dobri i sto smo bili tako u mogucnosti za vreme Karadjordjevica.


    Babac Dusane, ti li si? Nisam te prepoznao!

    Karadjordjevici su se uvek rado tukli do poslednjeg Srbina, nakon cega su odlazili u inostranstvo. Presto su zadobili masovnim ubistvom 1903. a sama Srbija ih i nije nesto mnogo interesovala. Uostalom, Srbiju su i ukinuli. O drpanju da ne govorimo.

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