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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 10 Oct 2019 - 21:26

    Dakle kad se, ako se ikad, završi ovaj proces Makedonci će se pre izjašnjavati kao Irokezi nego kao Bugari
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    Post by паће Thu 10 Oct 2019 - 21:33

    Али ван ЕУ, док су Бугари у њој. Осим ако се ипак изјасне као Бугари, бар један дан, бар један сат.


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    Post by Guest Thu 10 Oct 2019 - 21:38

    Gargantua wrote:Mora da se zna ko odlučuje u Evropi (ne UK)

    (Reuters) - France could discuss giving London an extension on its deadline for leaving the European Union if there was a political shift in Britain allowing a different type of dialogue on Brexit, a French government minister said on Wednesday.

    "On the extension, France has said the same thing for more than six months", State Secretary for European Affairs Amelie de Montchalin said at a parliamentary hearing.

    "If there are new (British) elections or a new referendum, if there is a political shift leading us to believe we could have a different dialogue from the one we have today, then an extension can be discussed", she said.

    "But adding more and more time in the exact same conditions would not give us much hope that something different would happen", Montchalin said.


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    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France told its European Union peers this week it was against launching membership negotiations with North Macedonia and Albania for now, diplomatic sources told Reuters, casting a shadow over the countries’ ambition to integrate with the West.

    More than half of the EU’s 28 member states, as well as its top officials in Brussels, are pushing to reward the two Balkan states for reforms by agreeing to start accession talks.

    They warn of Russia, China or Turkey taking advantage of a “strategic vacuum” in the troubled region should the EU fail to maintain tangible prospects for the countries there.

    But Paris says the EU faces too many challenges right now to let in two more states from the Balkans, a region still scarred by wars fought in the 1990s and struggling with crime and corruption.

    France says the EU needs to reform from the inside first to tackle with greater vigor and unity such challenges as climate change and migration, and that the two hopefuls must carry out further reforms before the start of talks can be approved.

    “They are not there yet. We are asking them to make additional efforts,” a French official said. “Negotiation cannot be opened in October 2019, we will need to reassess the situation somewhere in 2020.”

    Unanimity among the 28 member states is required to launch accession talks.

    EU ministers will discuss the matter again in Luxembourg on Tuesday before national leaders meet in Brussels for a summit on Oct.17-18. The move was already delayed repeatedly.

    “This is very frustrating for most of the member states. Our credibility is at stake,” said a diplomat from a country willing to open the doors to the Western Balkan candidates.

    “North Macedonia and Albania have done a lot. Yes, a lot more remains to be done but opening membership talks is just the first step, the process would take years and they would have to fulfill all the criteria before they are allowed in.”

    Sources said the Netherlands and Denmark were also clearly opposed to Albania’s bid when EU ambassadors discussed the matter behind closed doors in Brussels on Thursday, though the Dutch have signaled potential flexibility on North Macedonia.

    Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said on Tuesday Skopje needed to pass legislation to set up an independent public prosecution body. “For the Netherlands that would have to pass in order to open accession talks,” he said.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 10 Oct 2019 - 21:51

    Totalno su upali u njihove unutrašnje svađe. Mada se i dalje nadam za Makedoncite
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    Post by beatakeshi Thu 10 Oct 2019 - 21:59

    Znači ništa dok se ne popravi klima. Politika kao ogledalo gluposti.
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    Post by Guest Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 17:05

    https://balkaninsight.com/2019/10/14/bye-bye-balkans-a-region-in-critical-demographic-decline/

    BYE-BYE, BALKANS: A REGION IN CRITICAL DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE


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    usputna opaska: kad se za 100 godina bude pisala istorija istočne/jugoistočne evrope posle komunizma, centralna tema neće biti nikakva demokratizacija, liberalizacija, eu, nato i slične stvari koje čitamo evo 30 godina, već ovo.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 17:21

    SM nemoguce samo 3%
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    Post by паће Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 17:40

    па вели тамо wrote:should the EU fail to maintain tangible prospects

    "Опипљиви изгледи" му дође нешто као "армирани дим", "веганско са ражња", "атомски двотактни". Морате их замајавати озбиљније, не може то тако офрље.


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    Post by Guest Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 18:06

    KinderLad wrote:SM nemoguce samo 3%


    To je zbog toga što dole ima dosta Šiptara Komšiluk - Page 22 1552546758 Komšiluk - Page 22 126198385

    Juče nešto slično objavljeno u Oslobođenju, puno mračnija prognoza za SM i trotruko više od tri procenta sa ove tabele. 



    18. Sjeverna Makedonija
    Broj stanovnika Sj. Makedonije prema projekcijama za sljedećih 30 godina past će s 21 milijuna na 1,9 milijuna stanovnika, što je pad od 10,9 posto
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 18:14

    Krcun Komšiluk - Page 22 1399639816 

    Ma da, to je mnogo realnije. A za Srbiju je ovo skoro pa optimisticna prognoza
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    Post by паће Mon 14 Oct 2019 - 18:17

    KinderLad wrote:Krcun Komšiluk - Page 22 1399639816 

    Ma da, to je mnogo realnije. A za Srbiju je ovo skoro pa optimisticna prognoza

    Ма код нас рачунају да увек постоји нека сива економија привреда производња која се нигде не региструје. Или рачунају да ће стара ЕУ да нам врати прегореле раднике.


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    Post by Guest Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 9:36

    The Balkans Brexit fallout

    Some may wish the EU would simply honour its earlier commitment to integrate the Balkans region, but the time for wishful thinking has long passed.

    Timothy Less
    16 October 2019

    Tomorrow, European leaders will almost certainly again reject the request by Albania and North Macedonia to open negotiations on EU membership. In doing so, they will confirm what has been clear for a long time – that the process of enlargement is over, and that the Balkans are not going to join the EU.

    In truth, key states in the EU, most notably France, never really wanted the EU to enlarge to the east, which confers disproportionate benefits to Germany, thereby upsetting the balance of power between Paris and Berlin while weakening the cohesion of the EU as a whole. From France’s point of view, that undermines the whole point of European integration, namely, to prevent war with Germany and provide a platform for amplifying French power.

    For as long as London actively championed enlargement and Berlin was basically supportive, Paris could not hope to block enlargement. Now, however, with the UK on its way out of the EU and Germany politically paralysed, France has become increasingly explicit in its opposition, and has found support from peers such as the Netherlands and Denmark which worry about the consequences for organised crime and immigration of opening the EU up to the Balkans.

    The one caveat in France’s position is its willingness in principle to accept an expansion of the EU, once its members agree the reforms needed to stabilise the fragile Eurozone. However, that remains as elusive a prospect as ever.

    Frustrated nationalisms and unhappy minorities

    This matters because, since last decade, European integration has been the West’s device for displacing the Balkan peoples’ historical quest to establish nation states, of the kind that prevail in western Europe.

    Back in the nineties, the US and its allies concluded that nation statehood could not be realised either peacefully or legally, and so imposed a compromise settlement that established independent states based on the borders inherited from the former Yugoslavia, but not nation states, because most of these newly-independent states had large ethnic minorities.

    As a palliative, the EU offered the peoples of the region the prospect of membership as a substitute for their core goal of national independence. In doing so, its hope was that the process of joining the EU would change the nature of the region, transforming poor, authoritarian and non-consensual states into the kind of prosperous, democratic, law-bound polities where unhappy minorities would be permanently content to live. On eventual accession, the various Balkan nations, currently divided by regional borders, could be reunited inside a borderless Europe - in effect, this was the Yugoslav solution, recast for the twenty-first century.

    So, the end of enlargement also marks the end of the West’s game plan for suppressing the region’s frustrated nationalisms, with the logical consequence that the peoples of the region will revive the business of nation state formation, left unfinished in the 1990s.

    New Cold War

    That is already enough to create a combustible situation in the region. But the end of EU enlargement is also playing out in parallel with another international drama, namely the United States’ decision to fight the ‘New Cold War’ in the Balkans.

    The origins of this date back to the crisis in Ukraine in 2013-14, to which Russia responded by trying block the integration of those states in eastern Europe which were not already members of NATO, including several in the Balkans. Its mode of entry into the region’s politics was to back the grievances of local groups which were in conflict with the West, in return for a commitment not to join NATO.

    Unsurprisingly, Washington viewed this as a challenge to the stability of its settlement in the Balkans and, after an absence of a few years, returned to the region with the aim of pushing Russia out and finishing the job of integrating the region into NATO.

    The first clash came in Macedonia in 2015, where the then-government became embroiled in a massive corruption scandal, fell out with the West and turned to Russia for support. A two-year diplomatic battle then ensued at the end of which the US succeeded in ousting the government and replacing it with a pliant administration that prioritized NATO integration.

    This was followed by a contest for influence in Montenegro, Russia’s oldest ally, which the Americans pressurized to switch sides and join NATO. They succeeded, but only after a Russian-backed attempt to assassinate the pro-NATO prime minister failed at the last minute.

    Kosovo’s legal limbo

    With Macedonia and Montenegro secured, the US then turned to the question of Serbia where Russia was firmly entrenched. To neutralise its influence, the US concluded it had to address the issue which bound the Serbs to Russia, namely their anger over what they saw as the illegal confiscation of Kosovo back in 2008. Since Kosovo’s independence could not realistically be reversed, that meant finding terms for its recognition that satisfied the Serbs, and then persuading Kosovo’s Albanian population to accept them.

    The result was a secret deal between the presidents of Serbia and Kosovo to partition the territory, with a small Serb-dominated enclave in the north passing to Serbia in return for Belgrade’s recognition of the Albanian-dominated south. If all went well, Serbia would have no further need for Russia and Kosovo could end its debilitating state of legal limbo.

    Unfortunately for Washington, the deal collapsed on contact with the outside world. For one thing, it caused apprehension in many European countries, including Germany and the UK, which feared that moving borders would set a dangerous precedent for the fragile states of Bosnia and North Macedonia.

    More importantly, the deal also generated a furious backlash in Kosovo whose people had understood the country’s independence within its existing borders was an established fact. Unsurprisingly, many felt betrayed by the US whose belated message to them was that independence was actually conditional on the blessing of their old adversary, Serbia.

    Kosovo’s response was twofold. The prime minister attempted to pressurize Serbia into recognizing Kosovo unconditionally, by imposing 100% tariffs on Serbian imports and asserting the government’s authority in Kosovo’s northern enclave, leading Serbia to deploy its army to Kosovo’s border earlier this year. Meanwhile the president, realizing that popular opposition to Serbia’s condition precluded a negotiated agreement on recognition, initiated moves to unify Kosovo with the recognized state of Albania.

    Where two dramas meet

    And this is where the two international dramas playing out in the Balkans – the New Cold War and the end of EU integration – meet. With the failure of its bid to join the EU, Albania now has nothing to lose from pursuing the alternative goal of national unification. Neither does Serbia which will at some point be compelled to annex the Serb enclave in Kosovo’s north to prevent its incorporation into an Albanian national state.

    That in turn will create a generational opportunity for the Serbs of Bosnia to try and break away
    , offering their territory to Serbia as compensation for the loss of Kosovo. And a united Albania will create a new geopolitical opportunity for the Albanians of North Macedonia, who will want to attach their territory to this new state. It remains an open question how violent this process would be, but history suggests it would not be peaceful.

    All this will create a headache for the US which has asserted its leading role in the Balkans with the aim of neutralising Russia but will end up responsible for managing this new round of instability. The probability is it will again have to reorder the Balkans, as it did in the 1990s and 2000s, to accommodate the nationalist forces which the EU has failed to suppress.

    Given the predictability of all this, some may wish the EU would simply honour its earlier commitment to integrate the region, starting with an offer tomorrow to open membership negotiations with Albania and North Macedonia. But as realpolitik takes over, the time for wishful thinking has long passed.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/balkans-brexit-fallout/
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 9:44

    Jao opet ovaj...
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 9:57

    Mislim, svaba tralala. Tekst od pre 3 godine. Covek ima model i gura sve u taj model.

    Inevitably, there would be difficulties and risks, although not as serious as those inherent in the existing failed policy approach. Serbia would have to let go of Kosovo, minus the north, but the compensation would be the realization of a Serbian nation-state in the territory where Serbs predominate. Albanians would similarly have to give up northern Kosovo. More problematic, Bosniaks and Macedonians would need to accept the loss of territory to which they are sentimentally attached and without any significant territorial compensation.

    Imao je vidim i tekst o Makedoniji gde apsolutno nije predvideo, u stvari predvideo je kontra, da ce Makedonija za dve i po godine postati clanica NATO. I sad mu ovo dobro dodje da ponovo gusla o jednom istom. Pri tom ostaje da se vidi da li ce se sa S.Makedonijom danas i sutra bas tako zavrsiti.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:03

    pa sto da ne

    pa i bizantinski carevi su pre nego sto su slaveni uopste krocili na balkan vodili opasne depopulacione politike jer ko ce jebeni limes na balkanu braniti

    nego to ostavis banditima stepskim i sumskim da pociste, pustis par epidemijica kuge i gladi da ono preostalo zavrsi, ono sto prezivi i vredi prodas za skupe novce rimu, grke primis u macedoniju i epir i problem resen

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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:14

    umislili opancari balkanski da ce na talasu kontrarevolucionarnom izdejstvovati i ispraviti sve nepravde istorijske

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    Post by kondo Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:16

    bice ovde jos rata, nije ovo gotovo. ne znam ko ce od srba braniti preševsku dolinu, na primer.

    pomalo je zastrasujuce da je ova i ovakva nasa vlast videla ovakav rasplet (pored toga sto je aktivno radila na njemu)...


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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:25

    mi pozadinci ovoga puta necemo dobiti priliku da se obogatimo svercom nafte, cigareta, oruzja i moldavki


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:25

    Posto ce strasni Albanci sa kojim oruzjem tacno napasti Srbiju? To su gluposti, Srbija je vojna supersila za kompletno sve Albance u regionu uzevsi zajedno. Nemojte nasedati na propagandu
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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:26

    takoe bre

    jebacemo siptare najsavremenijim naoruzanjem


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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:27

    trampara da namigne, i eto nas u prizrenu za 2 sata


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:31

    Ne lupaj
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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 10:43

    ti si onako bas zuperovski ogranicen

    ja vec vidim neki task force sa vojne akademije kako u peckoj patrijarsiji kleci i ljubi svetinje dok to prenosi rts uzivo
     
    a onda ko onomad kod skadra, stigne tramperovsko pismo preporuka da ce pojebati sve srpkinje


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 11:00

    Mr.Pink wrote:ti si onako bas zuperovski ogranicen

    ja vec vidim neki task force sa vojne akademije kako u peckoj patrijarsiji kleci i ljubi svetinje dok to prenosi rts uzivo
     
    a onda ko onomad kod skadra, stigne tramperovsko pismo preporuka da ce pojebati sve srpkinje

    Ili si blesav il se pravis blesav. 

    Radi se o tome da je poenta teksta da samo zato sto je neko vecina na nekoj teritoriji moze, vise manje, da samo pozeli da vise ne bude deo neke drzave i za par godina to ce se ispuniti. A nista nije dalje od istine od toga. Za tako nesto potrebno je da se stekne mnooooogo uslova. A osim ako Vucic, nekako, ne znam kako, ne preda na tacni Presevsku dolinu, cela ova prica sluzi samo plasenju kako ce "Siptari sutra biti u Nisu". To su gluposti. Kosovo je bezmalo drzava pa to 20 godina ne moze da se resi. RS je bezmalo drzava pa ne moze, realno, da pomisli da se otcepi. "Presevska dolina" - nije nista.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu 17 Oct 2019 - 11:07

    sto pises stvari koje su naporne za citanje

    kako su pustili kurde niz vodu, tako ce i siptare ako pocnu da previse talasaju

    da francuzi izlaskom UK-a dobijaju vetar u ledja, mislim da je kristalno jasno. takodje se otvara izlaskom uk- pitanje skotske, s. irske i generalno buduceg eu okvira 

    a to su pitanja koja su resena pre sto godina, ili se mislilo da su resena. mozes misliti kako ce jedno doslovno nereseno pitanjce od pre 20 godina na budjavom balkanu resiti preko kolena


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