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    Post by Dambo Tue May 28, 2019 1:10 pm

    Creepy Uncle wrote:nisu ortodoksi kao takvi izuzeti iz vojne službe več ultraortodoksi, Haredi, i to oni koji su se izjasnili da su posvetili život izučavanju Tore.

    Aha, ok. Ali broj Hareda je ogroman - a koliko sam upoznat ranije i sad malo dodatnim istraživanjem, odlazak u ješivu je njima pravilo i uobičajeni sled života muškaraca. 

    Sada se malo više upoznajem sa pričom - borba za njihovo uključivanje u vojsku (a problem nije samo vojska nego i generalni workforce koji izgleda takođe ne ljube) traje već neko vreme, sa usponima i padovima, u zavisnosti od političke konstelacije u datom trenutku. Naravno, faktor je i što su izuzetno fanatični i berserkerski nespremni na kompromise i diranje onoga što smatraju da im pripada. Znam da se iz nekih krajeva u Bruklinu, gde se desio apsolutni white flight, nisu povukli samo Haredi, naprotiv rastu u broju. 

    Ipak, deluje mi da u skladu sa njihovim daljim demografskim rastom ova situacija prosto postaje neodrživa i da će se nešto preduzeti na tom polju.
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    Post by паће Tue May 28, 2019 2:12 pm

    То онда није политичка констелација него констипација... Шта би се десило са индијском привредом кад би проредили сву осталу стоку и гајили већином краве? (канда исто што и са нашом кад сви студирају менаџмент)


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    Post by Dambo Thu May 30, 2019 2:07 am

    Novi izbori u Izraelu na jesen.
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    Post by Dambo Thu May 30, 2019 11:20 pm

    Dva članka o rastućem rivalitetu Rusije i Irana na Bliskom Istoku

    Navodno odbijanje Rusije da proda S-400 Iranu: 
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-30/russia-rejected-iran-s-400-missiles-request-amid-gulf-tension

    Jedan generalniji članak:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-28/oil-squeeze-on-iran-aids-putin-s-power-play-in-the-middle-east
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu May 30, 2019 11:54 pm

    In a bid to play down the political chaos and focus public attention on his foreign policy prowess – in particular his close friendship with Trump – Netanyahu displayed an official US state department map that he said Kushner had given him, updated to incorporate the long-disputed Golan Heights as part of Israel. Trump had apparently scribbled “Nice” on the map with an arrow pointing to the disputed area.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/30/political-chaos-israel-disrupts-jared-kushner-peace-plan


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:14 am

    Saudijska Arabija se slaže sa SAD da Iran stoji iza napada na dva naftna tankera u Omanskom zalivu

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    Post by паће Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:28 am

    KinderLad wrote:
    Saudijska Arabija se slaže sa SAD da Iran stoji iza napada na dva naftna tankera u Omanskom zalivu

    Ma nije moguce da se slazu Блиски исток - Page 35 1399639816

    "Око средине треће реченице није требало баш великим словима, ал' иначе сте тачно пренели шта смо вам рекли".


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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:06 pm

    lolz


    TOKYO — The owner of a Japanese tanker attacked in the Strait of Hormuz offered a different account Friday of the nature of the attack than that provided by the United States.

    Yutaka Katada, president of Kokuka Sangyo, said the Filipino crew of the Kokuka Courageous thought their vessel had been hit by flying objects rather than a mine.

    “The crew are saying it was hit with a flying object. They say something came flying towards them, then there was an explosion, then there was a hole in the vessel,” he told reporters. “Then some crew witnessed a second shot.”
    The United States said the vessel was attacked by limpet mines and released a video that it said showed an Iranian vessel removing an unexploded mine from one of the ships.

    But Katada offered an alternative version of how the events unfolded.

    “To put a bomb on the side is not something we are thinking,” he said. “If it’s between an explosion and a penetrating bullet, I have a feeling it is a penetrating bullet. If it was an explosion, there would be damage in different places, but this is just an assumption or a guess.”

    On Thursday, company officials said the vessel, which had been carrying methanol from Saudi Arabia to Singapore, had first been hit by what appeared to be an artillery shell toward the stern, causing a fire in the engine room which they had been able to extinguish.

    Three hours later, the ship was again attacked on the same side in the center of the hull, at which point the captain felt it was no longer safe and ordered the crew to take to the life boats, officials said.

    “When the shell hit, it was above the water surface by quite a lot,” Katada said Friday. “Because of that there is no doubt that it wasn’t a torpedo.”

    The ship’s crew saw an Iranian military vessel in the vicinity Thursday night Japan time, Katada said, according to Reuters news agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japanese-ship-owner-contradicts-us-account-of-how-tanker-was-attacked/2019/06/14/7ea347d0-8eba-11e9-b6f4-033356502dce_story.html?utm_term=.37ea4fa49b46
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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:36 am

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will surpass the uranium-stockpile limit set by its nuclear deal in the next 10 days, an official said Monday, raising pressure on Europeans trying to save the accord a year after the U.S. withdrawal lit the fuse for the heightened tensions now between Tehran and Washington.

    The announcement by Iran’s nuclear agency marked yet another deadline set by Tehran. President Hassan Rouhani already has warned Europe that a new deal needs to be in place by July 7 or the Islamic Republic would increase its enrichment of uranium.

    Atomic energy spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi suggested that Iran’s enrichment could reach up to 20%, just a step away from weapons-grade levels.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:54 am

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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:08 am

    Ma ajde jebote.


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    Post by паће Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:57 am

    Ова прича не може да им се распадне пошто ничег није ни било, нема ко да укаже да докази не постоје. Мало радарских снимака било чега, крхотине све под водом, ничег није било дакле било је како ми кажемо.


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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:54 pm

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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:09 pm

    JUST IN: President Trump is meeting with military chiefs to outline response to Iran
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    Post by disident Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:12 pm

    Gargantua wrote:
    Znači ovako će da izgledaju prilozi na pinku kad zaratimo sa cg


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    Post by Sotir Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:32 pm

    Чудан снимак, нешто су кадрирали из више снимака, не види се континуално лет ракете на основу чега би могла да се оцени даљина до циља.
    Али види се лепо експлозија, што личи да је било близу.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:10 pm

    Sotir wrote:Чудан снимак, нешто су кадрирали из више снимака, не види се континуално лет ракете на основу чега би могла да се оцени даљина до циља.
    Али види се лепо експлозија, што личи да је било близу.


    Ni da li je samo jedna raketa.
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    Post by Sotir Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:09 am

    Трамп изјавио да је сигурно грешка до Иранаца Киндер треба да позове на пиће.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:17 am

    fwiw


    New York Times: Trump abruptly calls off military strikes against Iran after approving them

    (CNN) President Donald Trump abruptly called off military strikes against Iran on Thursday night after previously approving the strikes in retaliation for Iran shooting down a US military drone, The New York Times reports.

    The operation was already underway in its initial stages -- ships were in position and planes were in the air -- but no missiles had been fired when the order came to stand down, a senior administration official told the Times. The strike had been scheduled for just before dawn on Friday in Iran to minimize the risk to civilians and the Iranian military, and military officials received word shortly after then that the strike was off, at least temporarily.

    The United States remains locked in a standoff with Iran, with US military or diplomatic responses having the potential to provoke further escalation from Tehran. Iran's downing of a US drone earlier Thursday has left the President caught between Republicans demanding a response and congressional Democrats warning that Trump -- and the Iran policy hardliners on his national security staff, who welcome the confrontation -- could lose control of the situation and lead the US into war.

    Military and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike as late as 7 p.m. on Thursday after intense debate among Trump's top national security officials and congressional leaders at the White House, multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations told the Times.

    Trump initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries, and the Times reports it was not clear whether Trump simply changed his mind or whether his administration pulled back because of strategy or logistics. It was also not clear whether the attacks may still occur.

    The Times reporting drew swift reaction from Trump's Democratic rivals.

    Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts tweeted that "there is no justification" for escalating tensions with Iran.

    "Donald Trump promised to bring our troops home. Instead he has pulled out of a deal that was working and instigated another unnecessary conflict," she wrote. "There is no justification for further escalating this crisis -- we need to step back from the brink of war."

    The White House and Pentagon officials declined to comment to the Times, but no government officials asked for the article to be withheld.
    CNN has reached out to the White House for comment.

    The strikes would have been Trump's third military action against Middle East targets, according to the Times. Trump has twice struck targets in Syria.

    Earlier Thursday, before the Times report, a senior White House official told CNN that Trump and national security adviser John Bolton were engaged in an ongoing debate about how to handle Iran.

    Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, a CNN military analyst, told CNN's Don Lemon Thursday on "CNN Tonight" that disagreement within the administration about whether to attack is not unusual for a White House.

    "That's something that occurs at any strategic decision level," Hertling said, "when you're mitigating risk or you're attempting to understand what the risk might be based on the processes of war gaming and determining what your objectives are."

    Trump moved to ease tensions with Iran Thursday morning after Tehran downed a US drone near the Persian Gulf, CNN previously reported. He struck a starkly different tone on Iran from Bolton and other senior security aides.



    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/21/politics/trump-military-strikes-iran/index.html
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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:01 am

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    Post by boomer crook Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:27 am

    art of the deal


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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:04 pm

    (Reuters) - Iranian officials told Reuters on Friday that Tehran had received a message from U.S. President Donald Trump through Oman overnight warning that a U.S. attack on Iran was imminent.

    "In his message, Trump said he was against any war with Iran and wanted to talk to Tehran about various issues ... he gave a short period of time to get our response but Iran's immediate response was that it is up to Supreme Leader (Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei to decide about this issue," one of the officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

    The second official said: "We made it clear that the leader is against any talks, but the message will be conveyed to him to make a decision ... However, we told the Omani official that any attack against Iran will have regional and international consequences."
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:39 pm

    Koje blamiranje...
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    Post by Sotir Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:41 pm

    KinderLad wrote:Koje blamiranje...
    Стварно, на кога си нашао да се кладиш  Блиски исток - Page 35 3579118792
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:00 pm

    Ma ok, nije neka opklada, plati bih nekad pivo ionako Блиски исток - Page 35 1399639816 Ali covek je hodajuci cirkus.

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