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    Post by Guest Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:58 pm

    Former Russian Troll Describes Night Shift as 'Bacchanalia'

    Oct 27, 2017 — 17:48  — Update: Oct. 27 2017 — 14:46



    The first employee of Russia’s infamous troll factory to reveal his identity has emerged to describe how the agency riled social media in the U.S. in the lead up to last year’s presidential elections.

    The St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency is thought to have launched a massive social media campaign to stoke racial and ideological tensions during the 2016 U.S. campaign.

    In an interview with opposition-leaning television channel Dozhd TV Thursday, former troll Alan Baskayev lifted the curtain on everyday life at the agency.

    “Like everyone, I needed the money,” he says, adding that his monthly salary was 50,000 rubles ($860), well above the city’s average.

    “I decided it was an excellent bargain, considering that the conscience played no part in it at all.”

    Baskayev said he worked at the agency’s “foreign department” between November 2014 and April 2015, a month after business outlet RBC’s massive investigation said the troll farm's campaign began.

    Oligarch restaurateur Yevgeny Prigozhin who reportedly owns the troll factory was “our guy who gives us money,” Baskayev says, unable to pinpoint what his official position at the troll farm was.

    Baskayev said his task was to enegage online forums that in one way or another involved politics. “You type ‘politics’ in the Google forum, the entire first page and possibly the second page is all yours. You could also type ‘politics forum U.S.’ and the first two pages are yours.”

    He also described an Azerbaijani-born 27-year-old who RBC named as the head of the factory’s American department as a “great guy” who was lenient toward him for minor workplace misconduct.

    Dozhd TV cites three former troll farm staffers corroborating RBC’s investigation that named the manager as Dzheykhun Aslanov, nicknamed “Jay Z.”

    “Jay was a really not bad manager: not the most competent in this field, well, frankly speaking, generally incompetent, but he had assistants,” Baskayev told Dozhd TV.

    Having since relocated to Thailand and speaking with Dozhd TV from there, Baskayev recounted the personas he took on during work hours.

    “First you had to be a redneck from Kentucky, then you had to be some white guy from Minnesota who worked all his life, paid taxes and now lives in poverty; and in 15 minutes you have to write something in the slang of [African-]Americans from New York."

    Even though the troll factory used proxy servers to hide its employees’ location, Baskayev said his accounts were “blocked regularly.” He said he maintained 20 user accounts from 20 cities on one forum because all but two of them would be banned.

    The former troll dismissed fears of reprisals from the large-scale secret operation, at one point describing a night shift at the factory as a “Bacchanalia.”

    “We were engaged in the ugliest things that only 20-year-old very cheerful lads — who perfectly understand what amusing place they found themselves in — could do.”

    “It was real postmodernism. Postmodernism, Dadaism and Sur[realism]."



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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:15 pm

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    [size=30]Facebook Says it is Deleting Accounts at the Direction of the U.S. and Israeli Governments

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    Glenn Greenwald
    December 30 2017, 3:15 p.m.



    IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, we noted that Facebook representatives were meeting with the Israeli Government to determine which Facebook accounts of Palestinians should be deleted on the ground that they constitute “incitement.” The meetings – called for and presided over by one of the most extremist and authoritarian Israeli officials, its pro-settlement Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked – came after Israel threatened Facebook that its failure to voluntarily comply with Israeli deletion orders would result in the enactment of laws requiring Facebook to do so, upon pain of being severely fined or even blocked in the country.

    The predictable results of those meetings are now clear and well-documented. Ever since, Facebook has been on a censorship rampage against Palestinian activists who protest the decades-long, illegal Israeli occupation, all directed and determined by Israeli officials. Indeed, Israeli officials have been publicly boasting about how obedient Facebook is when it comes to Israeli censorship orders:

    Shortly after news broke earlier this month of the agreement between the Israeli government and Facebook, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked said Tel Aviv had submitted 158 requests to the social media giant over the previous four months asking it to remove content it deemed “incitement”. She said Facebook had granted 95 percent of the requests.

    She’s right. The submission to Israeli dictates is hard to overstate: as the New York Times put it in December of last year: “Israeli security agencies monitor Facebook and send the company posts they consider incitement. Facebook has responded by removing most of them.”
    What makes this censorship particularly consequential is that “96 per cent of Palestinians said their primary use of Facebook was for following news.” That means that Israeli officials have virtually unfettered control over a key communications forum of Palestinians.

    In the weeks following those Facebook/Israel meetings, reported The Independent, “the activist collective Palestinian Information Centre reported that at least 10 of their administrators’ accounts for their Arabic and English Facebook pages – followed by more than two million people – have been suspended, seven of them permanently, which they say is a result of new measures put in place in the wake of Facebook’s meeting with Israel.” Last March, Facebook briefly shut down the Facebook page of the political party, Fatah, followed by millions, “because of an old photo posted of former leader Yasser Arafat holding a rifle.”

    A 2016 report from the Palestinian Center For Development and Media Freedoms detailed how extensive was the Facebook censorship:

    Pages and personal accounts that were filtered and blocked: Palestinian Dialogue Network (PALDF.net) Gaza now, Jerusalem News Network, Shihab agency, Radio Bethlehem 2000, Orient Radio Network, page Mesh Heck, Ramallah news, journalist/ Huzaifa Jamous from Abu Dis activist Qassam Bedier, activist Mohammed Ghannam, journalist /Kamel Jbeil, administrative accounts for Al Quds Page, administrative accounts Shihab agency, activist Abdel-Qader al-Titi, youth activist Hussein shajaeih, Ramah Mubarak (account is activated), Ahmed Abdel Aal (account is activated), Mohammad Za’anin ( still deleted), Amer Abu Arafa (still deleted), Abdulrahman al-Kahlout (still deleted).

    Needless to say, Israelis have virtually free reign to post whatever they want about Palestinians. Calls by Israelis for the killing of Palestinians are commonplace on Facebook, and largely remain undisturbed.

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    As Al Jazeera reported last year, “Inflammatory speech posted in the Hebrew language . . . has attracted much less attention from the Israeli authorities and Facebook. One study found that ‘122,000 users directly called for violence with words like ‘murder’, ‘kill’, or ‘burn.’ Arabs were the No 1 recipients of hateful comments. Yet there appears to be little effort by Facebook to censor any of that.”


    Though some of the most inflammatory and explicit calls for murder are sometimes removed, Facebook continues to allow the most extremist calls for incitement against Palestinians to flourish. Indeed, Israel’s leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, has often used social media to post what is clearly incitement to violence against Palestinians generally. In contrast to their active suppression against Palestinians, the very idea that Facebook would ever use its censorship power against Netanyahu or other prominent Israelis calling for violence and inciting attacks is unthinkable. Indeed, as Al Jazeera concisely put it: “Facebook hasn’t met Palestinian leaders to discuss their concern.”
     
    FACEBOOK NOW SEEMS to be explicitly admitting that it also intends to follow the censorship orders of the U.S. Government. Earlier this week, the company deleted the Facebook and Instagram accounts of Ramzan Kadyrov, the repressive, brutal and authoritarian leader of the Chechen Republic, who had a combined 4 million followers on those accounts. To put it mildly, Kadyrov – who is given free rein to rule the province in exchange for ultimate loyalty to Moscow – is the opposite of a sympathetic figure: he has been credibly accused of a wide range of horrific human rights violations, from the imprisonment and torture of LGBTs to the kidnapping and killing of dissidents.

    But none of that dilutes how disturbing and dangerous is Facebook’s rationale for its deletion of his accounts. A Facebook spokesperson told the New York Times that they deleted these accounts not because Kadyrov is a mass murderer and tyrant, but because “Mr. Kadyrov’s accounts were deactivated because he had just been added to a United States sanctions list and that the company was legally obligated to act.”

    As the Times notes, this rationale appears dubious or at least inconsistently applied: others who are on the same sanctions list, such as Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, remain active on both Facebook and Instagram. But just consider the incredibly menacing implications of Facebook’s claims.

    What this means is obvious: that the U.S. Government – meaning, at the moment, the Trump administration – has the unilateral and unchecked power to force the removal of anyone it wants from Facebook and Instagram by simply including them on a sanctions list. Does anyone think this is a good outcome? Does anyone trust the Trump administration, or any other government, to compel social media platforms to delete and block anyone it wants to be silenced? As the ACLU’s Jennifer Granick told the Times:

    It’s not a law that appears to be written or designed to deal with the special situations where it’s lawful or appropriate to repress speech . . . This sanctions law is being used to suppress speech with little consideration of the free expression values and the special risks of blocking speech, as opposed to blocking commerce or funds as the sanctions was designed to do. That’s really problematic.

    Does Facebook’s policy of blocking people from its platform who are sanctioned apply to all governments? Obviously not. It goes without saying that if, say, Iran decided to impose sanctions on Chuck Schumer for his support of Trump’s policy of recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, Facebook would never delete the accounts of the Democratic Party Senate Minority Leader – just as Facebook would never delete the accounts of Israeli officials who incite violence against Palestinians or who are sanctioned by Palestinian officials. Just last month, Russia announced retaliatory sanctions against various Canadian officials and executives, but needless to say Facebook took no action to censor them or block their accounts.

    Similarly, would Facebook ever dare censor American politicians or journalists who use social media to call for violence against America’s enemies? To ask the question is to answer it.
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    As is always true of censorship, there is one, and only one, principle driving all of this: power. Facebook will submit to and obey the censorship demands of governments and officials who actually wield power over it, while ignoring those who do not. That’s why declared enemies of the U.S. and Israeli governments are vulnerable to censorship measures by Facebook, whereas U.S and Israeli officials (and their most tyrannical and repressive allies) are not:
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    All of this illustrates that the same severe dangers from state censorship are raised at least as much by the pleas for Silicon Valley giants to more actively censor “bad speech.” Calls for state censorship may often be well-intentioned – a desire to protect marginalized groups from damaging “hate speech” – yet, predictably, they are far more often used against marginalized groups: to censor them rather than protect them. One need merely look at how hate speech laws are used in Europe, or on U.S. college campuses, to see that the censorship victims are often critics of European wars, or activists against Israeli occupation, or advocates for minority rights.
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    One can create a fantasy world in one’s head, if one wishes, in which Silicon Valley executives use their power to protect marginalized peoples around the world by censoring those who wish to harm that. But in the real world, that is nothing but a sad pipe dream. Just as governments will do, these companies will use their censorship power to serve, not to undermine, the world’s most powerful factions.

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    Just as one might cheer the censorship of someone one dislikes without contemplating the long-term consequences of the principle being validated, one can cheer the disappearance from Facebook and Instagram of a Chechen monster. But Facebook is explicitly telling you that the reason for its actions is that it was obeying the decrees of the U.S. Government about who must be shunned.

    It’s hard to believe that anyone’s ideal view of the internet entails vesting the power in the U.S. Government, the Israeli Government, and other world powers to decide who may be heard on it and who must be suppressed. But increasingly, in the name of pleading with internet companies to protect us, that’s exactly what is now happening.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:17 pm

    Bljucko.


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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm

    In major Facebook overhaul, Zuckerberg to focus news feed on “meaningful interactions” between friends and family


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:47 pm

    pa u srbiji fb radi tako vec nekoliko meseci, srbija i ne znam jos koliko zemalja su test.
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:53 pm

    Da, zato i kačim.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:02 pm

    Najgore je što lik zna šta je uradio i boli ga kurac.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:05 pm

    jbg, sad ko ima stranicu nebitno dal je firma ili pujo sotka, ako hoce da ima dobar reach mora placati reklamu da istera objave na news feed. to mi par drugara koristi za firmice, smesan im je trosak.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:09 pm

    Trošak zavisi od target reacha i nije uopšte smešan. Mnoge odlične stranice su ostale bez publike zbog ovoga,  a znatno se otežava život bilo kojoj društvenoj, aktivističkoj, političkoj inicijativi koja nema brdo para na raspolaganju za bustovanje objava. Ljudi jednostavno ne klikću raketicu, svuda je pad 80-90 posto.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:19 pm

    Živ nisam da vidim šta sledi posle ovoga. Fejsbuk je slomio kičmu tradicionalnim medijima, a sad se odriče uloge koju je sam sebi izboksovao, da bude centralno čvorište informacija. Ako neko veruje da će ljudi ponovo početi da posećuju sajtove tradicionalnih kuća, vara se. Doći će nešto novo, a plašim se i da mislim šta može biti gore od poplave fejk njuza koju je FB patentirao.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:24 pm

    oni su trosili 50-100 usd mesecno, e sad nisu ciljali stotine hiljada potencijalnih musterija, niti su imali toliko pratilaca. veci trosak bi im bili flajeri + deljenje ili neka organizovana posta, o reklamama na tv radio programima da ne pricam.  

     a recimo kontam da ljudi bas i pored raketice, posebno idu na recimo stranice tipa uzivo sa novosadskih ulica, kvazinovinarstvo kao takvo, gde su glavne vesti gde se sta zapalilo ili nekoga ubilo u gradu i sl. nek pujo sotka i sl naprave grupe, to sve jos uvek sljaka po starom.
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    Post by bemty Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:26 pm

    nece mi vise prikazivati kate middleton news  Mreža - Page 2 4135669698


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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:28 pm

    Pa postani drugarica sa Kejt Midlton, pa ćeš imati iz prve ruke.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:38 pm

    bzvz mi je to, ono sto me zaista zanima pratim tako sto otvaram te stranice, kao sto otvaram sajtove, ovaj forum itd. na news feedu svakako ne ukacim uvek sve sto se objavi.
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:39 pm

    Nije stvar u tvojim navikama, nego u navikama većine. Apsolutno se slažem sa BLP-om.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:57 pm

    znaci da ih ne zanima dovoljno jako da uloze taj megatrud od jednog klika na raketu ili stranicu koja im je super. ta zajebancija je i dalje dzabe, zahteva minoran prakticno beznacajan napor.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:01 pm

    Neverovatno je do koje si mere ovo pojednostavio.
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    Post by kondo Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:03 pm

    daj bre gari ne zajebavaj, mozda ti klikces na raketicu ali ti si jedan u milion. jel imas neku stranu koja nije tvoja licna da je administriras? mislim da nemas jer da imas imao bi direktan uvid u ogromnu promenu koju je izazvao explore feed. ja na par strana skromne posecenosti vidim tektonske promene, gde ako ne platim, makar minimalno, imam reach od recimo maksimum 500-1000 a ako platim, recimo 2e dnevno, taj reach ide na 6-7000 (govorim o periodu kampanje, recimo 3 dana). o lajkovima da ne govorim, odnos je jedan prema dvadeset. i da znas, ne resava se ovo time da se svi sada dogovorimo da klikcemo na ikonicu raketlicu nego time da se napravi mehanizam interakcije privatnih koriscnickih profila i svih ovih drugih koji su u problemu koji ce ih predstaviti meni i tebi kao pojedincima. u proslosti je to bilo povezano tako sto je sve bilo pomesano, sada vise ne izlaze neplacene objave. mozda je to borba protiv spama ali ako jeste, onda je uz korov od 5% pobila i 95% ne-korova.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:05 pm

    Tako je.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:06 pm

    namera je ocita da mnogim firmama fb zeli da onemoguci besplatnu reklamu, mislim to nam je valjda svima jasno. greska je sto su u istom kosu i potpuno nekomercijalne stranice, tu nema zbora, ali kada su isti arsini bili da napravis page cnn i page guglearth zivotinje na slikama jbg
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    Post by Filipenko Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:06 pm

    Blind Lime Pie wrote:Trošak zavisi od target reacha i nije uopšte smešan. Mnoge odlične stranice su ostale bez publike zbog ovoga,  a znatno se otežava život bilo kojoj društvenoj, aktivističkoj, političkoj inicijativi koja nema brdo para na raspolaganju za bustovanje objava. Ljudi jednostavno ne klikću raketicu, svuda je pad 80-90 posto.

    Blind Lime Pie wrote:Živ nisam da vidim šta sledi posle ovoga. Fejsbuk je slomio kičmu tradicionalnim medijima, a sad se odriče uloge koju je sam sebi izboksovao, da bude centralno čvorište informacija. Ako neko veruje da će ljudi ponovo početi da posećuju sajtove tradicionalnih kuća, vara se. Doći će nešto novo, a plašim se i da mislim šta može biti gore od poplave fejk njuza koju je FB patentirao.

    +1

    Mora da se bustuje za rič.


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    Jednostavno, hoće da im se plaća i to je to. Sada su mnogi koji su bazirali poslovanje na tome u problemu, jer su prosto navike ljudi po društvenim mrežama dramatično promenjene. Niko više ne posećuje sajtove targetirano, idu ljudi na Fejs i gledaju šta se šeruje. Nažalost, pošto se uglavnom šeruju gluposti i sprdnja, ovo doprinosi uvođenje idiokratije. Ali dobro. Sad, šta će mediji i kompanije, sa jedne strane mi je drago što su im zavukli i sada im džaba što su plaćali stotine hiljada lajkova, sada ima da plaćaju da postovi zapravo dolaze do onih koji su lajkovali sve to. Sa druge strane, gazde su navikle na skoro pa besplatan dolazak do širokih krugova publike, a sada će morati da se bave time na ozbiljniji način. Svi znamo šta to znači:


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    Post by Filipenko Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:08 pm

    Arkady Ivanovich wrote:namera je ocita da mnogim firmama fb zeli da onemoguci besplatnu reklamu, mislim to nam je valjda svima jasno. greska je sto su u istom kosu i potpuno nekomercijalne stranice, tu nema zbora, ali kada su isti arsini bili da napravis page cnn i page guglearth zivotinje na slikama jbg


    Ide se i korak dalje. Ne samo da želi da onemogući besplatnu reklamu, već se godinama unazad pozicionirao kao "dođite kod mene za besplatan rič, ulažite u svoje fejsbuk stranice". Kompanije su upucavale ozbiljne pare svih ovih godina u Facebook, i plaćale "kreativnim agencijama" da se time vrlo intenzivno bave. Ah, šta da se radi.


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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:12 pm

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    Toma Momirović pokraden.


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    Post by kondo Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:13 pm

    Pa slusaj gari ali ako neko u fejsbuku primeti kada registrujes korisnicki profil koji se zove Puši Kurac i shvati da to nije neko ime i prezime, znači ima plaćeni rob da trejsuje prekršaje, isto je tako moglo da se reši i ovo, npr da se verifikacija stranica koje nisu individualne radi ručno, tako da neko mora da odobri da na mrežu izađe Pink, CNN ili hiptetička stranica za ispravno hranjenje mačaka BARF metodom. 
    Uostalom i sada prilikom registracije strane možeš da se registruješ kao charity, zajednica, društvena odgovornost - sve to postoji u nekom formularu - pitanje glasi zašto se sada neprofitni projekat tretira isto kao neki megabiznis koji će tih potrebnih 50-100e nedeljno platiti od siće koja ispadne kroz bušni buđelar. Drugim rečima ovo je masna korporatizacija FB jer će ovo izdržati samo biznisi i niko više.

    Mislim ovo se ne radi ovako, to je botom lajn. Ovo je zapravo sada već ozbiljan abjuz korisnika tj članova zajednice koji je mogao da se predupredi


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