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Post by boomer crook on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:17 pm

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Post by boomer crook on Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:11 pm

nije vezano za gtr ali spada u sekciju alternativne navijacke kreativnost. pozor, los ukus sledi:

Pozdrav prijatelji, čuo sam se sa Milanom Mladenovićem narkomančinom i obojica smo potreseni događajem iz Istanbula, tako da je on odlučio da spjeva jednu pjesmu o tome.

Četrneste, četrneste, ka Istanbulu krete Delija korteo
Sve vreme putovanja, gubitak Kosova nas je veoma boleo

Kod Pojata na pumpi, sretosmo Grobare iz Niša, usledi reakcija
Zaletesmo se na njih, uzesmo par obeležja a UF101 na forumu srpska tribina napisa, Cigani, odlična akcija.

U Maćedoniji svjetloj stadosmo na pumpu, Šiki reče, ajmo ljudi pljačka
Mare mu reče, ne Šiki, ovo je Helenik Petroleum pumpa, to je pumpa bratska

Stoga produžismo kilometra tri, do pumpe Oemve
Tu za džabe uzesmo razne potrepštine

Negde kod Ksantija, tobleronu jedoh ja
Kada nam prepreči put grčka murija

Izvedoše nas napolje, pretres udarci i represija
Shvatih, za Paok navijaju, te oni nisu braća

U Carigrad stigosmo negde oko pola tri
Zašto su turski huliganski ekvivalenti pojavu 400 nasilnika iz subkulture navijača koja jasno prihvata pseudoratnički način postojanja što uključuje i "osvajanja" protivničkih gradova i teritorija i "dobijanje bitki" protiv lokalnih navijača i koji pritom izražavaju veoma snažne anti turske i anti muslimanske stavove, doživeli neraširenih ruku, ne mi jasno bi.

Napadoše Turci naš sveti korteo
Oduzeti bokser na granici sada me je veoma boleo

Policija turska ne štitiše nas snažno
Te to pokvari naše planove da iza kordončine murije gađamo Turke limenkama piva i pokazujemo im kurac snažno

Probi Turčin odbranu, sevnu ljuta kama
Na Delije Sever tada pade tama

Turci guje ljute noževima bodu
Nanesoše štetu srpskome rodu

Oj narode srpski, na moleban dođi
Dokle će nas dušman klati, aj se sada glođi

Advokati guje, puni ste vi para
A da vas vidim da palite sveću za Jagodu ili nema veze, za brata Grobara?


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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:02 pm

e, zaboravim stalno da pitam, u kakvim je odnosima gtr sa prosecnim zvjezdasom?

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Post by boomer crook on Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:41 pm

ovo sam dobio od drugara iz stambola. cisto me je interesovala distinkcija medju klubovima i navijacima u staroj prestonici. primecujem da na ppp-u vlada stav da je navijac navijac a huligan huligan i da su u toj tamnoj noci rekcije gde su sve macke crne svi isti te da je navijac tuluza koji casti picem u kaficu isto sto i 'korteo' delija. slicnosti izmedju kriminalizovanih navijackih grupa blizanaca cesto nas navode da zaboravimo da je navijanje danas gotovo religija sa svojim jereticima, misticima i apostatama.

yes, i m still a member of vamos from its start. not super active, but following and helping to publish the fanzine of it. 

too much political complications in football over here...

i try to summarise as concise as possible:

a detail first: there were no groups in turkish football before late 8o's. there were cheerleaders ('amigo') situated at certain spots of the stands and their followers. no politics what'soever. only a couple of openly revolutionary football players in the 7o's and a lot of fascists for sure. 

Fenerbahçe: 

The biggest, the crowdest supporter group + the decisive club (in the sense the media looks at fener all the time, the opponents react together against fener etc.). It was the leading club active against the British occupants in Istanbul during the Independence War, so the club got hugely popular, and like the symbol of the nation. 

The administrating group and the congress members of the club (i m also a member of congress, becoming a member of the high council in a couple of years, thanks to my dad's registeration of me) were kind of right-of-the-centre from 6o's onwards. on the stands though, when there was a need for leading group the GFB (young fener supporters) emerged (early 9o's) with a sympathy for the ultra-nationalist movement which was popular at that period. but they were not clever enough and they could not and did not to dominate the whole of Fener stadium. So, in time, a number of groups emerged including vamos. 4 years ago, the anti-goverment sentiments grew at the stands vocally and just at that moment the '3rd of july' case emerged. There was accusation to Fener for match-fixing. The case was masterminded by a pro-goverment Islamic group, the followers of Fethullah Gülen,  which established itself with the state as a super-power (a year ago they break out from the pact with the government with a huge war, now they are kicked out of every position within the state structure) and the Gülenists were quite openly Galatasaray fans (the original  prosecutor of the case was a fanatic Gala supporter, the leading footballers in the late 9o's were sympathisers of Gülen movement (Hakan Şükür who became a MP, Hasan Şaş, Hakan etc... + and there was a huge Gülen-media-group bombardment against Fener during the case). The process radicalised Fener supporters quite swiftly and leaned it towards left and transformed it into a dynamic within Gezi uprising. But things are quite complicated, this leftism still quite contains a Republican, a Kemalist flavour which might turn sour, in case of another conflict with Kurdish movement). The president of Fener is quite dictatorial himself but he became like a oppenent leader against AKP government, and sometimes more active then the leaders of political parties and the Kemalist army who could not resist the destruction of AKP. He is now one of the most hated but also one of the most respected guys for that reason. The GFB group (which made the turn from ultra-nationalism towards pro--AKP stance) is his no:1 enemy, but he alienated a lot of supporter groups which supported him during his 1 year imprisonment for establishing not only match-fixing but also the absurd accusation of establish a group of organised crime. The 3rd of July trial got suspended because of its dubious character and there s going to be a new trial. 

Beşiktaş:

They were the underdogs of Istanbul, this paved the way for the establishment of the left-flavoured Çarşı group in the late 8o's. Previously they were quite unpolitical. Çarşı became quite dominant in the stands and became like popular and populist supporter group among the intellectuals as well, although they became bigger than themselves and the political tone sometimes easily slipped into nationalism or religious sympathies. Çarşı is still super dominant but there have been new very small groups emerging recently with various positions including leftists. Before and during Gezi uprising they became quite prominent cos their base is quite close to the headquarters of the fascist Tayyip Erdoğan, and the police was aggressive against them. They were also accused of match-fixing (i guess the prosecutors included them, just to produce the cosmetic effect that the case not only targets Fener). Their current president seems to be a decent guy but his political stance about Gezi is quite dubious, he openly side-lined with the government recently, and conflicting with Çarşı guys.

footnote 1: GFB is quite in good terms with Novi Pazar club.

Galatasaray:

they are tied to the first high-school in late Ottoman empire teaching French and therefore they ve always been elitist from the start. but in time 2 things helped them to get popularised: 1) the support of Gülen group 2) the support of Kurds (their national tricolour is red-yellow-green so reminding the Gala colours and therefore the leader of PKK supports them, and therefore a big proportion of Kurdish region). But as a club they were always opportunistic, move strategically to the power. historically their supporters were quite the submissive: the real rivalry among supporters were more like btw Fener and Beşiktaş. The gala-fans were always got beaten, always fewer, always pushed aside. But the 2ooo UEFA cup made them popular, increasing the supporters. 

Their absolute leading group is Ultra-arslan (uA). They are definitely right-wing, a kind of amalgamation of religious and nationalist rhetoric, quite pro-AKP (there were quite a small number of Gala supporters at Gezi) and the AKP economically helped them a lot by giving them a stadium for free and overseeing their huge tax debt etc. The uA doesn't allow the other few groups to present themselves at the stands, they are quite monopolistic. 

historically the balance sheet of crime of them is high. They killed 2 Leeds United supporters a decade ago. 2 years ago a Fener supported also got stabbed to death by them. They had a huge fight in Copenhagen against Arsenal supporters in 2ooo as far as i can remember... but this aggressively is little bit conflicting with their popular image as high societe in general...

footnote 2: the bloody conflicts btw Istanbul clubs were in 8o's. it's over now. for a long time nothing much happened except the stabbing case i mentioned above of a 19y.o. Fener fan. One reason is that, for a couple of years, visitor supporters are not allowed to derby matches. 

but the Gala supporters also got aggressive in volleyball and basketball matches against Fener recently, terrorising for no reason. 

i don't know what happened before the basket match. it looks now, a number of red star supporters came without a ticket to istanbul and they marched to the salon through the streets with a kind of violence. i don't know who stabbed marko... the police, some kind of fascist group, or uA guys or all of them together... 

the recent banner of red star supporters ('who will shed the turkish blood sooner') have been noted down by the turkish media. a basketball club asked for more security in a coming match with a greek team who is a brother club with red star... 

well, i ve written so much..  i don't know if it helps or cause more confusion. 


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Post by boomer crook on Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:21 pm

shalom zvezda!



covara wrote:

"Velika sramota je da se (Ergin) Ataman zove trenerom, a još veća da takav čovek bude selektor turske reprezentacije. Uvreda koju je izrekao je kao kada bi trener reprezentacije Nemačke rekao za Jevreje da su teroristi, a tek je sramota da ga ovaj 'nezavisni' kazni sa 6.000 evra. Kao što je sramota i kazna Galatasaraju. Oni su stekli uslove da dve godine ne igraju Evroligu, a posle minuta ćutanja i da je igraju u tišini sve vreme", u dahu je ispričao Nebojša Čović.


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Post by boomer crook on Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:48 pm

za to vreme ljubitelji baklava koji su nemci spram zumbulskih jevreja.

https://theradicaldemocrat.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/carsi-the-ultras-to-hold-protest-rally-in-cologne/

pristalice besiktasa, carsi, prave demonstracije u kelnu u znak podrske uhapsenim drugovima koji su optuzeni zbog ucesca u neredima oko gezi parka.


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Post by boomer crook on Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:52 pm

meni je ono juce na zvezda galata cist dokaz o tome da postoji daleko jaci ideloski naboj kod organizovanog navijanja zumbula od cisto lumpensko-kriminalnog navijanja pakistanaca.


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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:44 pm

Ista govna, drugaciji kontekst. Mislis da bi se gospoda koja porucuje "Brankici i sudovima" da joj popuse kurac i koja je do skora redovno vitlala Karadzicevim portertima ponasala smekerski uzdrzano kada bi grobar nastradao od turske ruke(tm)?


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Post by boomer crook on Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:33 pm

ne mislim da to ista dobro govori o partizanovim navijacima ali je zanimljivo videti da postoji jedna jaka potreba za identifikacijom s nacijom i drzavom kod navijaca kkcz. ej guslar!


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Post by ficfiric on Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:53 pm

Koliko vidim, delije su prerasli Zvezdu. Ne bave se vise nekim sitnim ribama kao sto su fudbaleri i kosarkasi Zvezde, porasli su i sada su vece teme na meniju. Sutra, kad bi vodje rekle da treba pratiti drugi klub, svi bi poslusali (sto se u neku ruku vec i desilo u slucaju exFMP-a)


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Post by boomer crook on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:27 pm

imas pice od filipa :tito:


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Post by Filipenko on Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:06 am

ficfiric wrote:Koliko vidim, delije su prerasli Zvezdu. Ne bave se vise nekim sitnim ribama kao sto su fudbaleri i kosarkasi Zvezde, porasli su i sada su vece teme na meniju. Sutra, kad bi vodje rekle da treba pratiti drugi klub, svi bi poslusali (sto se u neku ruku vec i desilo u slucaju exFMP-a)


Pa dobro, to je odavno bilo jasno, samo što se neki zanose tim navijačkim grupama. Niti su to navijači, već reketaši i razbojnici, niti su tu zbog navijanja. Mislim, koji su to navijači koji zabranjuju da se uzvikuje ime bilo kog igrača, trenera ili koga već, pod izgovorom da "niko nije iznad zvezde"? Meni je to potpuno nepojmljivo. Čak i ovi naši razbojnici i reketaši ne mogu a da ne zaurlaju, pardon, halaču "Ilić kapiten, jedan je Ilić kapiten".

Sa druge strane, mislim da se precenjuje običan navijač Crvene zvezde, dakle ne onaj ekstremista sa tribine već običan, prosečan gledalac. On samo traži uspeh. Nije ga briga kako će doći do toga ili po koju cenu, ne zanima ga previše koje su posledice takvog "uspeha" na ostatak sporta, kada jedan klub duguje desetine miliona pa dovede 25 igrača godišnje. Ako se osvoji titula, super, ako ne, idemo dalje. Kao da takva praksa ne predstavlja nikakav širi problem i ne utiče na sport kao takav. Zapravo, moje iskustvo je takvo da npr. više običnih pristaša i poklonika Crvene zvezde energičnije i iskrenije brani Čovićeve manipulacije sa klubom nego neki momci sa tribine. Potonji će da okrenu na zajebanciju, a i sami znaju da nije to to i nemaju problem da priznaju. Sa druge strane, oni naizgled "mekši" navijači će braniti sve te svinjarije sa daleko više strasti.
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Post by ficfiric on Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:10 pm

Zname sve o Delijama, samo meni pada u oci sve veca zastupljenost u medijima. Kada Zvezda igra neku utakmicu u EL, prve dve vesti na portalima su Pogledajte kakvu koreografiju su pripremile Delije i pbp utakmice utakmice u kojoj opet dominiraju slike sa tribina. I najave su u tom stilu. Znaci, medijima je centralni dogadjaj koreografija a na periferiji se igra i neka utakmica. Igrace i trenera ko jebe.

Slicna stvar je i u fudbalu. Izvestaji u RTS-ovim vestima su u ovom stilu - Crvena zvezda danas igra utakmicu x kola protiv y. Navijaci Zvezde su razvili transparent na kom je pisalo... Rezultat i strelci nekada budu pomenuti, nekada ne.

Ogromnu paznju dobijaju i vesti tipa Pogledajte kako su delije proslavile bozic, Delije proglasene za najbolju navijacku grupu na svetu, itd.

Ne pamtim kada sam video neku negativnu vest o delijama. Bar dve godine nisu pominjani u negativnom kontekstu. Definitivno, postali su znacajniji od kluba koji prate. Uopste me ne bi cudilo da sutra vodje kazu kako gube vreme prateci neke bezveznjakovice i "zaprate" nekog drugog.




Sto se tice obicnih navijaca, nemoj mi razdvajati partizanovce od zvezdasa gerilsko-umetnicki pokret grobarski trash romantizam 1241126653. I oni samo traze uspeh. Retki su slucajevi da se simpatizer ogradi od svinjarija kluba za koji navija. Zvezda i Partizan imaju najvise trofeja i logicno je da ce ljudi koji traze uspeh bilo kojim sredstvima navijati za ta dva kluba. U nasoj generaciji vecina navija za Zvezdu, zato sto su se opredeljivali u vreme generacije iz Barija. Za desetak godina, kad stasaju ovi klinci koji su se opredeljivali u vreme Djurine dominacije, videces da ce ih vecina navijati za Partizan.



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Post by Filipenko on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Pa kako misliš da se pišu negativnosti kada imaš novinare koji su povezani sa upravama klubova, ili čak sede u njima? Likove koji su članovi kojekakvih odbora ili portparoli?

Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. Kako zamišljaš da ovakav lik napiše negativan izveštaj ili stavi navijače u neprijatan kontekst? Čoveku je to istinski šmekeraj.


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Post by Ferenc Puskás on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:40 pm

Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 
Čekaj, ovo nije istina?
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Post by ficfiric on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:43 pm

otto katz wrote:
Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 
Čekaj, ovo nije istina?

Sto da nije, naravno da jeste istina. Mada je Boskovic davno raskrinkan da je "partizanovac sa dna kace"


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Post by Filipenko on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:31 pm

otto katz wrote:
Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 
Čekaj, ovo nije istina?


Kako nije istina? Bošković je bivši portparol FK Crvena zvezda, urednik sporta na B92, a eto ti ga i video koji je fićfirić okačio gde se gađa sa Milojkom Pantićem na tzv. skupštini kluba ko je veći zvezdaš.

Isto tako imaš i Iliju Kovačića koji je godinama mrsio muda po košarkaškom klubu, a ovamo uređivao košarku. I dan danas nastavlja da truje naciju koristeći frekvencije Sport Kluba.

To su samo najekstremniji primeri, likovi koji su bukvalno bili članovi uprava i funkcioneri klubova. Imaš ih još ihahaj koji su to isto, samo po manjim sportovima, ili koji su jednostavno na prst u dupe sa funkcionerima klubova, koji su po ceo dan na Dubokom Rajku...kako od takvih da očekuješ kritički tekst prema Delijama ili prema upravama? To je bukvalno nemoguće. U nekoj teoriji, možda bi neki Mozzart mogao da objavi kritički tekst prema zvezdi, i to bi bilo to.
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Post by boomer crook on Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:30 pm

kritika filma d. bajica bicemo prvaci sveta

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Post by beatakeshi on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:20 pm

Lepo napisano.
Malo mi nedostaje filmske kritike u tome, ali u redu, ovo je kritika filma a ne filmska kritika.
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Post by boomer crook on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:39 pm

da, zato to nisam ni stavio 'gore'


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Post by beatakeshi on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:42 pm

Da dodam: uvek sam gotivio Zorana Čuturu, jedan od poslednjih dokaza intelektualnosti košarkaškog miljea.
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The law provides us structure to guide us through paralyzing and trying times. But it requires us a vision to its procedures and higher purposes. Before we assume our respective roles in this enduring drama just let me say that when these frail shadows we inhabit now have quit the stage we'll meet and raise a glass again together in Valhalla.
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Post by Marius Lăcătuș on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:53 pm

To je pozitivno, Ostape. Barem u prvih 40.


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