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yes, i m still a member of vamos from its start. not super active, but following and helping to publish the fanzine of it. 

too much political complications in football over here...

i try to summarise as concise as possible:

a detail first: there were no groups in turkish football before late 8o's. there were cheerleaders ('amigo') situated at certain spots of the stands and their followers. no politics what'soever. only a couple of openly revolutionary football players in the 7o's and a lot of fascists for sure. 

Fenerbahçe: 

The biggest, the crowdest supporter group + the decisive club (in the sense the media looks at fener all the time, the opponents react together against fener etc.). It was the leading club active against the British occupants in Istanbul during the Independence War, so the club got hugely popular, and like the symbol of the nation. 

The administrating group and the congress members of the club (i m also a member of congress, becoming a member of the high council in a couple of years, thanks to my dad's registeration of me) were kind of right-of-the-centre from 6o's onwards. on the stands though, when there was a need for leading group the GFB (young fener supporters) emerged (early 9o's) with a sympathy for the ultra-nationalist movement which was popular at that period. but they were not clever enough and they could not and did not to dominate the whole of Fener stadium. So, in time, a number of groups emerged including vamos. 4 years ago, the anti-goverment sentiments grew at the stands vocally and just at that moment the '3rd of july' case emerged. There was accusation to Fener for match-fixing. The case was masterminded by a pro-goverment Islamic group, the followers of Fethullah Gülen,  which established itself with the state as a super-power (a year ago they break out from the pact with the government with a huge war, now they are kicked out of every position within the state structure) and the Gülenists were quite openly Galatasaray fans (the original  prosecutor of the case was a fanatic Gala supporter, the leading footballers in the late 9o's were sympathisers of Gülen movement (Hakan Şükür who became a MP, Hasan Şaş, Hakan etc... + and there was a huge Gülen-media-group bombardment against Fener during the case). The process radicalised Fener supporters quite swiftly and leaned it towards left and transformed it into a dynamic within Gezi uprising. But things are quite complicated, this leftism still quite contains a Republican, a Kemalist flavour which might turn sour, in case of another conflict with Kurdish movement). The president of Fener is quite dictatorial himself but he became like a oppenent leader against AKP government, and sometimes more active then the leaders of political parties and the Kemalist army who could not resist the destruction of AKP. He is now one of the most hated but also one of the most respected guys for that reason. The GFB group (which made the turn from ultra-nationalism towards pro--AKP stance) is his no:1 enemy, but he alienated a lot of supporter groups which supported him during his 1 year imprisonment for establishing not only match-fixing but also the absurd accusation of establish a group of organised crime. The 3rd of July trial got suspended because of its dubious character and there s going to be a new trial. 

Beşiktaş:

They were the underdogs of Istanbul, this paved the way for the establishment of the left-flavoured Çarşı group in the late 8o's. Previously they were quite unpolitical. Çarşı became quite dominant in the stands and became like popular and populist supporter group among the intellectuals as well, although they became bigger than themselves and the political tone sometimes easily slipped into nationalism or religious sympathies. Çarşı is still super dominant but there have been new very small groups emerging recently with various positions including leftists. Before and during Gezi uprising they became quite prominent cos their base is quite close to the headquarters of the fascist Tayyip Erdoğan, and the police was aggressive against them. They were also accused of match-fixing (i guess the prosecutors included them, just to produce the cosmetic effect that the case not only targets Fener). Their current president seems to be a decent guy but his political stance about Gezi is quite dubious, he openly side-lined with the government recently, and conflicting with Çarşı guys.

footnote 1: GFB is quite in good terms with Novi Pazar club.

Galatasaray:

they are tied to the first high-school in late Ottoman empire teaching French and therefore they ve always been elitist from the start. but in time 2 things helped them to get popularised: 1) the support of Gülen group 2) the support of Kurds (their national tricolour is red-yellow-green so reminding the Gala colours and therefore the leader of PKK supports them, and therefore a big proportion of Kurdish region). But as a club they were always opportunistic, move strategically to the power. historically their supporters were quite the submissive: the real rivalry among supporters were more like btw Fener and Beşiktaş. The gala-fans were always got beaten, always fewer, always pushed aside. But the 2ooo UEFA cup made them popular, increasing the supporters. 

Their absolute leading group is Ultra-arslan (uA). They are definitely right-wing, a kind of amalgamation of religious and nationalist rhetoric, quite pro-AKP (there were quite a small number of Gala supporters at Gezi) and the AKP economically helped them a lot by giving them a stadium for free and overseeing their huge tax debt etc. The uA doesn't allow the other few groups to present themselves at the stands, they are quite monopolistic. 

historically the balance sheet of crime of them is high. They killed 2 Leeds United supporters a decade ago. 2 years ago a Fener supported also got stabbed to death by them. They had a huge fight in Copenhagen against Arsenal supporters in 2ooo as far as i can remember... but this aggressively is little bit conflicting with their popular image as high societe in general...

footnote 2: the bloody conflicts btw Istanbul clubs were in 8o's. it's over now. for a long time nothing much happened except the stabbing case i mentioned above of a 19y.o. Fener fan. One reason is that, for a couple of years, visitor supporters are not allowed to derby matches. 

but the Gala supporters also got aggressive in volleyball and basketball matches against Fener recently, terrorising for no reason. 

i don't know what happened before the basket match. it looks now, a number of red star supporters came without a ticket to istanbul and they marched to the salon through the streets with a kind of violence. i don't know who stabbed marko... the police, some kind of fascist group, or uA guys or all of them together... 

the recent banner of red star supporters ('who will shed the turkish blood sooner') have been noted down by the turkish media. a basketball club asked for more security in a coming match with a greek team who is a brother club with red star... 

well, i ve written so much..  i don't know if it helps or cause more confusion. 

covara wrote:

"Velika sramota je da se (Ergin) Ataman zove trenerom, a još veća da takav čovek bude selektor turske reprezentacije. Uvreda koju je izrekao je kao kada bi trener reprezentacije Nemačke rekao za Jevreje da su teroristi, a tek je sramota da ga ovaj 'nezavisni' kazni sa 6.000 evra. Kao što je sramota i kazna Galatasaraju. Oni su stekli uslove da dve godine ne igraju Evroligu, a posle minuta ćutanja i da je igraju u tišini sve vreme", u dahu je ispričao Nebojša Čović.

ficfiric wrote:Koliko vidim, delije su prerasli Zvezdu. Ne bave se vise nekim sitnim ribama kao sto su fudbaleri i kosarkasi Zvezde, porasli su i sada su vece teme na meniju. Sutra, kad bi vodje rekle da treba pratiti drugi klub, svi bi poslusali (sto se u neku ruku vec i desilo u slucaju exFMP-a)

Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 

otto katz wrote:

Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 

Čekaj, ovo nije istina?

Spoiler:

otto katz wrote:

Filipenko wrote:
Evo ti ga jedan portparol zvezde, koji je igrom slučaja urednik sporta na B92. 

Čekaj, ovo nije istina?